Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Warin]

The need for a replacement of amenity=embassy was explained in the approved 
office=diplomatic proposal.

By doing a mechanical edit the work load of mappers is reduced, I would think 
50%, and the adoption of the new tag promoted by its evident use.

I missed that office=diplomatic was required with diplomatic=* edits I did some 
time ago. I think others have done the same.

The use of diplomatic=* has outstripped office=diplomatic even ignoring the 
starting offset due to previous use before the accepted proposal.

The tagging of diplomatic=* at the moment has little motivation as it is not 
rendered by many.
Most use the one rendering symbol for all of them.
Determining 'embassy' could be done to some extent by location, in a countries 
capitol city, and by the name containing 'embassy'.
Determining 'consulate' could be done in a similar manner - outside the capitol 
city and containing 'consulate'.
There will be exceptions! For these reasons I am not advocating it.
I am reluctant to suggest the mechanical addition of office=diplomatic to 
diplomatic=* due to the past use of the tag and the more numerous 
amenity=embassy which was the original motivation for the accepted proposal.



On 19/06/19 21:41, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

I've spent several hours creating wiki pages for the new, approved
tags from this proposal, so I'm in favor of the tags, even
office=diplomatic (which doesn't seem much of an improvement, compared
to the others).

But I'm not convinced that adding the office=diplomatic tag to
existing features is very helpful. It would be more useful to add
diplomatic=embassy/consulate/liaison and the additional subtags to
show the precise type of embassy or consulate or other diplomatic
facility, but this probably requires local survey or at least
extensive searching of web pages for every feature.

On 6/19/19, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

Hi,

On 18.06.19 03:21, Warin wrote:

Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to
eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag
embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the
approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the tag
amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.

I don't think that this is necessary or helpful. When office=diplomatic
was "approved", we did not discuss a mass addition to existing features.
This is something that time can solve, we don't need an automatic edit
for it.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I've spent several hours creating wiki pages for the new, approved
tags from this proposal, so I'm in favor of the tags, even
office=diplomatic (which doesn't seem much of an improvement, compared
to the others).

But I'm not convinced that adding the office=diplomatic tag to
existing features is very helpful. It would be more useful to add
diplomatic=embassy/consulate/liaison and the additional subtags to
show the precise type of embassy or consulate or other diplomatic
facility, but this probably requires local survey or at least
extensive searching of web pages for every feature.

On 6/19/19, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 18.06.19 03:21, Warin wrote:
>> Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to
>> eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag
>> embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the
>> approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the tag
>> amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.
>
> I don't think that this is necessary or helpful. When office=diplomatic
> was "approved", we did not discuss a mass addition to existing features.
> This is something that time can solve, we don't need an automatic edit
> for it.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 18.06.19 03:21, Warin wrote:
> Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to
> eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag
> embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the
> approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the tag
> amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.

I don't think that this is necessary or helpful. When office=diplomatic
was "approved", we did not discuss a mass addition to existing features.
This is something that time can solve, we don't need an automatic edit
for it.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Mateusz Konieczny]

18 Jun 2019, 03:21 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:

> Any thoughts?
>
Remember to follow 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct 

(for example - documenting mechanical edit on wiki)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 13:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha 
> scritto:
> 
> I am not certain .. but an ambassadorial residence will have entertainment 
> functions that can mean its location may need to be known by some map users.


in Rome I am aware of the residence of the German ambassador, it isn’t a 
secret. There are armed guards in front and there is a plate stating “embassy 
of Germany”, and they may be holding events there, but it isn’t the “embassy” 
you would usually go to as a German citizen (there is another embassy some 
kilometers away where the offices for the public are located). 

Not sure if this is a typical situation or whether the location of some 
ambassadorial residences is secret.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Warin]

On 18/06/19 19:51, Michael Collinson wrote:
Sounds logical given the new tagging. I find no faults with the 
office=diplomatic page, kudos to Lyx for putting it together, very 
thorough. Embassies are (or should be) a 100% subset of 
office=diplomatic. I think you are wise in not suggesting mass 
addition of  diplomatic=embassy, I also have come across instances in 
the past where they are actually consulates. 
The tag amenity=embassy was used for any diplomatic thing, some even 
were commercial firms that assisted in obtaining visas.
The only thing I can think of is whether there are still any cases 
where the location is actually an ambassadorial residence, (I am 
uncomfortable with having them there, my wife is an ambassador) ... 
but I think the most sensible thing is to deal with them on a 
case-by-case after putting in place this more rigourous tagging schema.


Yes, amenity=embassy includes some ambassadorial residences, and there 
is some provision for ambassadorial residences in the new scheme.
I am not certain .. but an ambassadorial residence will have 
entertainment functions that can mean its location may need to be known 
by some map users.


Oh I forgot to mention the how I'm thinking of doing this,
Using JOSM one city at a time to get the features that have both 
amenity=embassy and country=*
Check the names for anything specious and cast those aside (I might do 
some work on those but unrelated to the addition directly).

Then add the tag office=diplomatic.

This will not get all of them - some are outside cities, some don't have 
the country tag.
But it will get most of them. The rest should be done by locals, 
possibly maproulette?





Mike

On 2019-06-18 03:21, Warin wrote:
Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to 
eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag 
embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the 
approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the 
tag amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.



By only targeting features with both tag i hope to avoid those things 
that have been incorrectly tagged amenity=embassy (I found 2 that 
look to be brothels!).



Any thoughts?


- references

Tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic

Proposal for tag 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/office%3Ddiplomatic




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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Michael Collinson]

Sounds logical given the new tagging. I find no faults with the 
office=diplomatic page, kudos to Lyx for putting it together, very 
thorough. Embassies are (or should be) a 100% subset of 
office=diplomatic. I think you are wise in not suggesting mass addition 
of  diplomatic=embassy, I also have come across instances in the past 
where they are actually consulates. The only thing I can think of is 
whether there are still any cases where the location is actually an 
ambassadorial residence, (I am uncomfortable with having them there, my 
wife is an ambassador) ... but I think the most sensible thing is to 
deal with them on a case-by-case after putting in place this more 
rigourous tagging schema.


Mike

On 2019-06-18 03:21, Warin wrote:
Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to 
eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag 
embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the 
approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the tag 
amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.



By only targeting features with both tag i hope to avoid those things 
that have been incorrectly tagged amenity=embassy (I found 2 that look 
to be brothels!).



Any thoughts?


- references

Tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic

Proposal for tag 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/office%3Ddiplomatic




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[OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

[Warin]

Following the successful proposal of introducing office=diplomatic to 
eventually replace the amenity=embassy (which is used to not only tag 
embassies but other diplomatic service) I am proposing to add the 
approved tag office=diplomatic to all instances that have both the tag 
amenity=embassy with the tag country=*.



By only targeting features with both tag i hope to avoid those things 
that have been incorrectly tagged amenity=embassy (I found 2 that look 
to be brothels!).



Any thoughts?


- references

Tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic

Proposal for tag 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/office%3Ddiplomatic




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