Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
Am 24.06.2014 07:12, schrieb Paul Norman: I completed the edit without issues. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2270 opened for one source. JOSM had a few too, but those cover more versions so don't show up at the top. Thanks for your work. Could you please post complete numbers ? Would a JOSM validator warning help ? Cheers colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
I completed the edit without issues. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2270 opened for one source. JOSM had a few too, but those cover more versions so don't show up at the top. I manually handled relations which had other relations parents, and in ever case it was an error of some kind. Most of the parent relations themselves had no tags and no other members. On 2014-06-16 1:17 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. The reasons for this are hopefully obvious. They should only exist through editor bugs, and contain no data from users of any kind. There are currently 1.4k relations like this. The technical details are at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/pnorman#Repeated_empty_relation_cleanup. I've done a similar mechanical edit in the past. In case of a conflict (another user editing them at the same time) the API will reject the changes and I'll just re-generate the list. I consider this very unlikely, as the only way you can do anything with the relations is to know the machine-generated ID. Before actually conducting the edit, I want to see what editors were used, and submit bug reports if there's any regular problems. I'm calling this a regular mechanical edit rather than a bot because it doesn't have the level of automation to be a bot. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
Hi, some years ago I've started this article in the wiki about empty relations, the reasons and the cleanup: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Empty_relations Am Montag, den 16.06.2014, 13:17 -0700 schrieb Paul Norman: I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. The reasons for this are hopefully obvious. They should only exist through editor bugs, and contain no data from users of any kind. There are currently 1.4k relations like this. The technical details are at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/pnorman#Repeated_empty_relation_cleanup. I've done a similar mechanical edit in the past. I've done semiautomatic cleanup in the past, too. But haven't worked on it during the last year. Before actually conducting the edit, I want to see what editors were used, and submit bug reports if there's any regular problems. Keep in mind. Some empty relations have been created on purpose. Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
This seems reasonable to me. With these kinds of objects, there's really no easy way to understand the editor's intent, and figuring that out would very likely be more work that re-doing it. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. The reasons for this are hopefully obvious. They should only exist through editor bugs, and contain no data from users of any kind. There are currently 1.4k relations like this. The technical details are at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/pnorman#Repeated_empty_relation_cleanup. I've done a similar mechanical edit in the past. In case of a conflict (another user editing them at the same time) the API will reject the changes and I'll just re-generate the list. I consider this very unlikely, as the only way you can do anything with the relations is to know the machine-generated ID. Before actually conducting the edit, I want to see what editors were used, and submit bug reports if there's any regular problems. I'm calling this a regular mechanical edit rather than a bot because it doesn't have the level of automation to be a bot. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
Hi, On 06/16/2014 10:17 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. I think you might be too conservative with the version 1 requirement; I think that you could probably drop any of these relations even if they have higher version numbers. It might be a bit out of scope for this iteration but you might also want to consider, for a limited set of well-known relation types like type=multipolygon and type=route, to drop those that don't have members. It would be wrong to do that *generally* because I believe there is a niche use case for relations with just tags and no members, but certainly a multipolygon or route relation with no members makes little sense. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
Am 16/giu/2014 um 23:01 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I think you might be too conservative with the version 1 requirement; I think that you could probably drop any of these relations even if they have higher version numbers. if the version is 1 it might make sense to see if they had tags and or members in these older versions cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Before actually conducting the edit, I want to see what editors were used, and submit bug reports if there's any regular problems. I'm curious, can you get a count of empty relations by editor and age? Basically, current, and then yearly? As we talked this weekend, this sounds like a good proposal. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations
On 2014-06-16 3:55 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm curious, can you get a count of empty relations by editor and age? Basically, current, and then yearly? There have been past cleanups, so what you're talking about would need to involve looking at historical data, which I don't have loaded up, so won't be doing. Looking at only those in the current data right now wouldn't be useful. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
