Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On 25 June 2011 06:02, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 24-6-2011 4:25, Robin Paulson wrote: mappers in NZ have recently imported a lot of grass airstrips into OSM. it appears the airstrips only render at zoom 10 on the mapnik render of the map at osm.org, which looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243lon=175.014zoom=10layers=M is there any particular reason for this, osm.org map maintainer? No, not at all, except that it can be considered a bug. There hadn't been many airstrips tagged before this import happened, and only now is it plainly obvious the zooms are buggy for them. Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On 25-6-2011 8:35, John Smith wrote: Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips. Oh, more than once. Nothing (that I know of) came of that. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1835 -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On 25 June 2011 20:19, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 25-6-2011 8:35, John Smith wrote: Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips. Oh, more than once. Nothing (that I know of) came of that. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1835 Maybe the NZ import will finally get it sorted out then. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
2011/6/25 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips. Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions are usually that you should deduct the importance by analyzing the map dat (e.g. surface of the runway, length of the runway) and combine OSM data with external sources (numbers of starts/landings a year, number of passengers a year, freight volumes, ...). Personally I think that to get a rough estimate it is sufficient to tag the most important ones with aeroway=airport this renders nicely and is suitable IMHO, even if it is not the ultimate level of detail. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:03 AM, John Smith wrote: Seems pretty simple to me, importance is going to be partially subjective, even if 2 airports have similar number of flights, some will have 747s 380s and some won't. highway=* classifications seems at least partially subjective as well. I see the need for at least 4 or 5 airport types, major international airports, minor international airports, regional airports, tiny airports and airstrips. +1 As has been said a number of times, OSM is a do-ocracy. At this point, more discussions just aren't going to resolve it. The highway=* classifications aren't perfect but are quite workable, and more details can always be added. Same for airports. Just pick something, like importance=[1-5] or airport_class=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] and tag them. Such values can always be translated into another form later, and/or it just gains traction and becomes the standard. No reason to wait further. - Alan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On 26 June 2011 02:38, Alan Millar grunthos...@yahoo.com wrote: As has been said a number of times, OSM is a do-ocracy. At this point, more discussions just aren't going to resolve it. A little discussion might allow us to harmonise tags, so 10 people don't go off and do their own thing and then need to make massive changes. Just pick something, like importance=[1-5] or airport_class=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] and tag them. Such values can always be translated into another form later, and/or it just gains traction and becomes the standard. No reason to wait further. I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this: aeroway=aerodrome aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this: aeroway=aerodrome aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] I could maybe see some confusion between minor and regional but it could work. Looks like this tag is already in limited use. There are 30 objects with aerodrome=international and 15 with private so those could probably be easily converted to major and airstrip, respectively plus perhaps an access=private. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
On 24-6-2011 4:25, Robin Paulson wrote: mappers in NZ have recently imported a lot of grass airstrips into OSM. it appears the airstrips only render at zoom 10 on the mapnik render of the map at osm.org, which looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243lon=175.014zoom=10layers=M is there any particular reason for this, osm.org map maintainer? No, not at all, except that it can be considered a bug. There hadn't been many airstrips tagged before this import happened, and only now is it plainly obvious the zooms are buggy for them. I've actually had this reported to me somehow, some time ago, but forgot about it. There was no trac ticket created either. Would be helpful if you could do that. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10
mappers in NZ have recently imported a lot of grass airstrips into OSM. it appears the airstrips only render at zoom 10 on the mapnik render of the map at osm.org, which looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243lon=175.014zoom=10layers=M is there any particular reason for this, osm.org map maintainer? -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
