Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 14/01/2008, Brent Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chill out guys,

 I'm merely pointing out an interesting anomaly with the current voting 
 scheme. I don't particularly care if you change it or not. I am not having a 
 go at you Robin, who are doing a terrific job.



not at all, i didn't think you were - i took it all as useful debate

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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Robin Paulson wrote:
Sent: 14 January 2008 2:41 AM
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Subject: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

this proposal has been rejected, with 11 yes votes and 3 no votes

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Swimming_pool

it has been moved to the rejected features page

it also appears to be a duplication of sport=swimming

if there are some tags you would like to add to an existing tag (e.g.
in this case indoor/outdoor), please propose a new tag for the
existing key, rather than duplicating work that has already been done

thanks



I'll point out the obvious here. leisure=swimming_pool is the old way of
doing things when we placed most objects like this under the amenity or
leisure top level keys. Its more appropriate now to tag as
building=swimming_pool and sport=swimming/diving/water_polo etc etc.

Cheers

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Alex Mauer
Brent Easton wrote:
 Interesting.
 
 If there are votes both  for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes to 
 get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it. 
 
 In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT voting 
 against a proposal once the first No vote is registered!

Wow, somebody's reading the voting description completely wrong.

6 unanimous yes approve is an approval.

Otherwise, once 15 votes are reached, the majority rules.

This proposal still has only 14 votes, so voting should still be open.

-Alex Mauer hawke



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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Ian Sergeant

Brent Easton wrote:

 Interesting.

 If there are votes both  for and against, then it requires 14 Yes
 votes to get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it.

 In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by
 NOT voting against a proposal once the first No vote is registered!

Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Wow, somebody's reading the voting description completely wrong.

 6 unanimous yes approve is an approval.

 Otherwise, once 15 votes are reached, the majority rules.

This is pretty much what Brent said.  The proposal only needs one more No
vote to succeed.  Is there anyone out there who doesn't like the proposal,
who can disapprove quickly?  We can then move it to Map Features.

Ian.


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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Alex Mauer
Ian Sergeant wrote:
 This is pretty much what Brent said.  The proposal only needs one more No
 vote to succeed.  Is there anyone out there who doesn't like the proposal,
 who can disapprove quickly?  We can then move it to Map Features.
 
 Ian.

No, Brent said ...it requires 14 Yes votes to get something through,
but only 1 No vote to can it. 

This is completely incorrect.

And it needs only one vote, which can be yes or no.

-Alex Mauer hawke



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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Robin Paulson
On 14/01/2008, Brent Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If there are votes both  for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes to 
 get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it.

 In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT voting 
 against a proposal once the first No vote is registered!


i'll admit, the voting proposal scheme seems a bit odd, but some
things are important in this partcular proposal:

1. voting was open for 8 months
2. the no votes pointed out that there were a lot fo unanswered points
3. it's a (sort of) duplicate of sport=swimming

if it had solely been 11 yes votes and 3 no votes, i would have put it
in the approved features page, but the proposal makes no sense at all,
so that would be bad.
there's no reason it can't be proposed again, coupled with making
sport=swimming obsolete which would probably be best because it's such
a muddled mess

if you would like to change the voting numbers, there's no reason it
can't be discussed, as with anything else on osm

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Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed - swimming_pool

2008-01-13 Thread Brent Easton
Chill out guys,

I'm merely pointing out an interesting anomaly with the current voting scheme. 
I don't particularly care if you change it or not. I am not having a go at you 
Robin, who are doing a terrific job.

Cheers,
Brent.

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On 14/01/2008 at 7:54 PM Robin Paulson  wrote:

On 14/01/2008, Brent Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If there are votes both  for and against, then it requires 14 Yes votes
to get something through, but only 1 No vote to can it.

 In fact, the No voters are more likely to prevent a proposal by NOT
voting against a proposal once the first No vote is registered!


i'll admit, the voting proposal scheme seems a bit odd, but some
things are important in this partcular proposal:

1. voting was open for 8 months
2. the no votes pointed out that there were a lot fo unanswered points
3. it's a (sort of) duplicate of sport=swimming

if it had solely been 11 yes votes and 3 no votes, i would have put it
in the approved features page, but the proposal makes no sense at all,
so that would be bad.
there's no reason it can't be proposed again, coupled with making
sport=swimming obsolete which would probably be best because it's such
a muddled mess

if you would like to change the voting numbers, there's no reason it
can't be discussed, as with anything else on osm

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