Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hrvoje With OSM Nominatim to geolocate properly for streets, we need to have town boundaries including into OSM. I was looking at this today and it seems that those limits are not imported yet. If we could have such limits to import (license compatible with ODbL), it would greatly enhance the geolocation. If limits do not exist, Nominatim calculate a circle around a town place name and attribute the streets around to this town, This way it is less precise then with town boundary limits. Pierre De : hbogner hbog...@gmail.com À : h...@openstreetmap.org Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 21 mai 2014 18h50 Objet : Re: [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina Just figured out why that certain request turns out nothing. That town didn't exist on the map few days ago, only few main roads, railway and town name. But can anyone suggest a way for them to better geolocate input data. Regards, Hrvoje On 05/22/2014 12:35 AM, hbogner wrote: I got this message from people at www.poplave.rs Can someone help with answers to these questions. quote I am contacting you concerning maps at www.Poplave.rs. We need to find a simple way to locate all inputted locations to exact geo locations. On many levels people are entering weird combination of town, street name and street number. Plus sometimes your system finds a street but it can not find it if its connected to the town. We would like to create full screen map with all locations in place (at least good amount). What would be the best way to convert inputted locations into correct geo locations on the map. One example: User submitted into location form: paracin deligradska paracin = town deligradska = street * sometime it is opposite street first then town Your system can find each of these separately, but together system is finding nothing even on your main map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=paracin%20deligradska#map=5/51.509/-0.088 Most of the time this is the setup we have because people did not have time to search locations. Any help is appreciated. /quote Regards, Hrvoje Bogner ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hrvoje, On the dev server I created a job that focus on priority areas. I did this looking at the the NASA flood impact map. To progress more rapidly with mapping and focus on priority zones, I would like to replace job 534 with this new job. See http://tasks.dev.hotosm.org/job/480 What do you think of this ? Pierre___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
See the Map of flooded zones, May 2014 (Red NASA Lance Modis / Light red European Commission Copernicus) at http://floodobservatory.colorado.edu/RapidResponse/2014Bosnia4139/2014Bosnia.html Pierre___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
I've created a wiki page about these floods: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_Southeast_Europe_floods I included a couple of cautions familiar from the UK floods response: 1) Bosnia and Serbia have active mapping communities. We need to take care to do remote armchair mapping only if it's wanted, and remember that on-the-ground gathered data is more valuable. 2) The temptation with Floods is to map stuff which is very temporary. Ushahidi or other map overlay tools are more appropriate for temporary situational updates (more appropriate than modifying the osm data every few days, or modding it and forgetting to put it back again!) But having said that... HBogner is calling for some mapping response. No reason not to get stuck in with improving the roads etc, to make it a more useful basemap. Was http://www.poplave.rs originally using OpenStreetMap? They've swapped it to google maps now :-( Any other examples of people using OpenStreetMap for coordination/situation maps? Feel free to edit the wiki page mercilessly Harry ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Hi Thanks Harry for the wiki page. This is a severe flooding with high waters and lanslides in various areas. It is reported that more then 500,000 people have been evacuated in Bosnia alone. More than 100,000 houses and other buildings in Bosnia were no longer fit to use and that over a million people had been cut off from clean water supplies. Support are organized by many other european coutries. See an update from Reuters http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/19/balkans-flood-idINL6N0O522C20140519 If it is possilble to obtain the the polygons file from the http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/interaktivno-poplave-i-klizista-u-regiji map, A Task Manager job could be created for these areas. With the large zone to cover, the best for the OSM community working remotely (I prefer this expression to the Armchair expression :) would be to cover the waterways and roadways to improve the base map. Pierre De : hbogner hbog...@gmail.com À : h...@openstreetmap.org Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 19 mai 2014 10h45 Objet : Re: [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina On 05/19/2014 04:03 PM, Harry Wood wrote: I've created a wiki page about these floods: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_Southeast_Europe_floods Thx, I'll TRY to update it with some info. Here is a map someone created which shows areas involved in floods http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/interaktivno-poplave-i-klizista-u-regiji They approximate the area to be 22900 square kilometers. Serbia: http://www.poplave.rs/ They switched to Google last night, but I sent a message to original author to ask him why and he didn't know it, someone else in the team changed it. He'll look into it who changed it and why and will bring OSM back. BiH: http://mapapoplava.zastone.ba/ http://www.poplave.eu They use ushahidi with OSM for few days now at first link, and now someone created new site in wordpress with only info. Croatia: http://poplave.hr/ I asked them should we activate it for Croatia, they dind't reply and created one in wordpress because they didn't know how to start ushahidi. IDIOTS!!! They were offered help! And now when we ask them for locations they give me names od towns... I included a couple of cautions familiar from the UK floods response: 1) Bosnia and Serbia have active mapping communities. We need to take care to do remote armchair mapping only if it's wanted, and remember that on-the-ground gathered data is more valuable. 2) The temptation with Floods is to map stuff which is very temporary. Ushahidi or other map overlay tools are more appropriate for temporary situational updates (more appropriate than modifying the osm data every few days, or modding it and forgetting to put it back again!) But having said that... HBogner is calling for some mapping response. No reason not to get stuck in with improving the roads etc, to make it a more useful basemap. I have contacts in Serbia(where i'm currently) and in Croatia(where i'm from), but' dont have contacts from Bosnia. I talked to people from http://mapapoplava.zastone.ba/ and they can give me csv export from their ushahidi site. Can that help to determin the locations. My first objective is to map the areas as good as possible with available imagery so people can have better maps to report on those sites. Only with new imagery and ground data will there be a possibility to map any changes. On the ground data will be only available in later time when situation calms down. Almost all the flood waters in Bosnia will flow into river Sava(Bosnian-Croatian border) and that wave is still going to hit that region harder and will flow into Serbia and hit some places again, and flow into Danube river. Hope this info helps. Was http://www.poplave.rs originally using OpenStreetMap? They've swapped it to google maps now :-( Any other examples of people using OpenStreetMap for coordination/situation maps? Posted above Feel free to edit the wiki page mercilessly Harry Reagards Hrvoje Bogner. ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
An Aljazeera updates reports that ph. dr. Stjepan Šterc from the Faculty of Sciences in Zagreb, Croatia estimated the flooded area to be about 22.900 km2 in those countries. (http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/poplavljena-povrsina-veca-od-slovenije) Bosnia: 13.200 km2 Serbia: 9.100 km2 Croatia: 600 km2 Thanks to Aljazeera who provided us a polygon that approximimates the flooded zones. From this, I created a new task that covers the three countries affected. The extent of the area to cover is very important and we need to prioritize where to start. This new job is to offer a basemap for these 22.900km2. Since the Serbia has been already covered by various tasks, we should now prioritize first the Bosnia Herzegovina where most of the displaced peoples are located. We should also start to select tasks that are near the rivers, completing other tasks afterward. I invite the OpenStreetMap contributors to map the waterways, highways and landuse areas in the Task manager job 534. Please concentrate on the left polygon that covers Bosnia Herzegovina. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/534 Pierre De : hbogner hbog...@gmail.com À : h...@openstreetmap.org Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 19 mai 2014 13h21 Objet : Re: [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina Here is another map: http://erccportal.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ERCMaps/ECDM_20140519_Serbia_BiH_Floods.pdf ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
The http://www.poplave.rs/ Ushahidi map do not help to identifiy the zones where to map. A see at one place, more then a thousand reports. It would be important first to define the zones to cover in priority. We coul then see if Bing Imagery is available for these areas and prepare Task manager jobs. Pierre De : hbogner hbog...@gmail.com À : h...@openstreetmap.org Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 17 mai 2014 14h31 Objet : [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina There are huge floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina and that part of region. Some say largest in last 120 years. Few guys created http://www.poplave.rs/ which is used to help with the coordination. They use OSM as background maps, and some places are not mapped as they should be. There is a topic at http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=25476 I asked local mappers to mark the area for creating a task at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ Check their forum topic for updates. ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
I am writing you privately to see if you want to take care of this.
I will be travelling tomorrow,
You already have rights to create new task manager jobs. If you want to take
care of this mapping project, you can start to create the TM jobs. The wiki
page for this event could be create after that.
For the various towns you describe, you could create a Task Manager job by
zooming on the map to each town and then select with the mouse the
corresponding area to map. Selecting 15 as the zoom level should give you
Pierre
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Objet : Re: [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Areas of interest as stated in the forum topic:
Sremska Mitrovica: 19.5467 -19.6806, 44.9181 - 45.0095
Current floods in Serbia, areas in danger.
Preventive evacuation in progress
Šabac: 19.6501 - 19.7860, 44.7184 - 44.8123
Current floods in Serbia, areas in danger.
defence set up
Obrenovac: 20.1283 - 20.2990, 44.6364 - 44.7392
Current floods in Serbia, areas in danger.
flooded, evacuation in progress
Krupanj: 19.2977 - 19.4456, 44.3192 - 44.4120
Current floods in Serbia, areas in danger.
all roads are flooded and cut off
Current available imagery:
Bing
Mapbox
Orbview 3:
-JOSM: http://tms.osm-hr.org/orbview/{zoom}/{x}/{-y}.png
-Potlach: http://tms.osm-hr.org/orbview/$z/$x/$-y.png
-Id: http://tms.osm-hr.org/orbview/{z}/{x}/{-y}.png
U.S. Defense Mapping Agency:
-JOSM: http://tms.osm-hr.org/1.0.0/all_ustopo/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
-Potlach: http://tms.osm-hr.org/1.0.0/all_ustopo/$z/$x/$y.png
-Id: http://tms.osm-hr.org/1.0.0/all_ustopo/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
Some new imagery maybe available soon?
Will post new info as soon as I get it.
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