Re: [OSM-talk] Does Google use automated tracing from satellite imagery ?

2010-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
 I have noticed that in many places, in countries in which 
 Google does not have significant commercial interest, even many villages 
 have part of their street grid mapped. But looking a little closer, this 
 is a partial mapping of a seemingly random subset of the grid, and none 
 of those streets have names. [..]
 
 So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be 
 using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something 
 that the Openstreetmap project should study ? Street grid detection and 
 automated tracing would make a nice JOSM plugin wouldn't it ?
 
 Lakewalker does it for waterlines 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Lakewalker) and 
 coastline tracing of Landsat imagery using other tools has been 
 experimented with 
 (http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg12661.html). 
 Other people have been playing with Potrace and Autotrace 
 (http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel_talk:How_to_draw_a_map#Automated_tracing_potrace_vs._autotrace)
  
 But I have found no mention of street tracing automation yet.

Some other sources mentioning automatic feature extraction methods :
- Automatic extraction of road and water surface
from SPOT-5 Pan-Sharpened Image : 
http://mapasia.org/2009/proceeding/ip/ma09_Panu.pdf
- Potential of manual and automatic feature extraction from high 
resolution space images in mountainous urban areas : 
http://www.isprs.org/proceedings/XXXVIII-1-4-7_W5/paper/TOPAN-174.pdf
- Road identification from satellite images based on a fuzzy reasoning 
model : 
http://www.gisdevelopment.net/proceedings/mapmiddleeast/2008/mme08_22.pdf
- Automatic road extraction from remotely sensed imagery :
http://www.icrest.missouri.edu/Projects/NASA/FeatureExtraction-Roads/index.htm

Look at the examples and you'll see patterns very similar to the 
imprecise anonymous streets produced by Google. They convinced me that 
Google is definitely extracting them automatically from orbital imagery. 
I'm amazed that I can't find any other reference to that on the Web.

The mediocre quality of Google's results for now hint at a maturing 
field, but that sort of automation is a huge leverage on available 
imagery. Manual improvement of the resulting ways will still be needed, 
but whoever puts those techniques to good use will gain global coverage 
at very low cost while conserving precious human resources to focus them 
on tasks adding even more value to the map.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Does Google use automated tracing from satellite imagery ?

2009-11-23 Thread John Smith
2009/11/23 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
 So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be
 using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something

I was under the impression that google used their mapmaker technology
and had employees, and since releasing it to the public others too, to
trace out areas, if it's so hit and miss it's probably not automated.

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