Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions? Oneway except residents?
Eddy Petrișor wrote: Paul Johnson a scris: Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... I hope oneway:bicycle=-1 also works, if so, this is a much cleaner and more precise way of tagging the rare street that is actually two way, but prohibits cyclists in one direction and motorists in the other (and perhaps provide automated warning for those who ride with a GPS). Extrapolating, should I use oneway:residents=no on a one way road which has this exception for people living on that street? That *sounds* about right, but I'm curious how that works...is it honor system, or is there some kind of local permit system? Are visitors able to negotiate restrictions like residents, or do they have to go around? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
Tobias Knerr wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... Have you read the proposal as well as the Extended conditions for access tags add-on proposal? Your argument would be valid if the only possible condition would be the type of vehicle. However, it's also possible to use current time, weather, lighting etc. as a condition. Oooh, that could be interesting to help make more ferry crossings on Oregon's Willamette River more precise... access:flooded=no access:night=no plus standard seasonal restriction tags make more sense than hourly ones. Plus could be very useful if your routing software is aware of river levels and daylight. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... I hope oneway:bicycle=-1 also works, if so, this is a much cleaner and more precise way of tagging the rare street that is actually two way, but prohibits cyclists in one direction and motorists in the other (and perhaps provide automated warning for those who ride with a GPS). This would be especially handy in Portland, Oregon where some minor roads connecting major streets to bicycle boulevards occasionally have this situation, as well as provide some kind of warning in a spot where cyclists may not expect such an arrangement (one example would be how OR-99/I-5 connects to Jantzen Beach by bicycle, where cyclists leaving the cycleway for Jantzen Beach find themselves placed facing the wrong way on a freeway onramp, even if the correct way to handle this is slaughtering the civil engineer who thought up that half-baked interchange). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_access_tags Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... The xxx:oneway looks to be used a lot more often than oneway:xxx as well in current data (although I'm probably responsible for most of those :-) ) Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
Ben Laenen wrote: The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... Have you read the proposal as well as the Extended conditions for access tags add-on proposal? Your argument would be valid if the only possible condition would be the type of vehicle. However, it's also possible to use current time, weather, lighting etc. as a condition. As most conditional access tags do not contain a vehicle class, the idea of defining the access rights of vehicle class x cannot apply to them. Instead, condition semantics are used: The base key (the first part of the key) applies if and only if all appended conditions are fulfilled in the situation at hand. So the way is normally an oneway street, but for people using a bicycle it isn't. This makes sense for other conditions than vehicle classes, too, and can be easily and logically extended to more than one condition (for example, maxspeed:hgv:wet for hgv maxspeed on wet roads). The xxx:oneway looks to be used a lot more often than oneway:xxx as well in current data I haven't seen a consistent definition using your way of tagging that works for more complex cases with multiple and non-vehicle conditions, though. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?
Am Sonntag 26 April 2009 schrieb Ben Laenen: On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway The proposal Conditions for access tags allows to alternatively use oneway=yes + oneway:bicycle=no which is a bit more flexible because it is not limited to bicycles, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_a ccess_tags But bicycle:oneway=no is much more logical of course since you're defining the access rights of bicycles... the logic depends on the point of view... for me, oneway=yes defines a global restriction for the tagged element. and oneway:bicycle=no defines an exception of this global rule. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
