Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM, D Tucny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Hong Kong? Somewhat further east and I'm sure you could get there almost entirely by train if you really really wanted... Does it really have to be Europe? Well, can you go by ICE to Hong Kong? The nice thing about the ICE is they have power sockets for laptops :) Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On 18 Jul 2008, at 17:14, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, (RichardF) Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. (SteveC) ...so you can skip it again? :-P There were a number of people absent at this year's SOTM who are quite active and/or important to the project - JonB wasn't there, Blackadder wasn't there, Artem wasn't there, Jordan Hatcher cancelled, Martijn van O wasn't there, neither was Franciso Santos, there was nobody from the Merkaartor team and none of the many folks who are very busy in Eastern Europe. (E.O.E.) I'm sure every one of them have had their valid reasons for not coming, and I don't see why RichardF's absence in particular should be something to discuss on the mailing list? Well if you're going to be all thing about it, because he's encouraging us to pick a venue based on it being in Europe an trainable, like, er, this year, which he didnt' make. But I did put a smiley face on there, did you miss it? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On 15 Jul 2008, at 08:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Daniel Glassey wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. ...so you can skip it again? :-P cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
Hi, (RichardF) Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. (SteveC) ...so you can skip it again? :-P There were a number of people absent at this year's SOTM who are quite active and/or important to the project - JonB wasn't there, Blackadder wasn't there, Artem wasn't there, Jordan Hatcher cancelled, Martijn van O wasn't there, neither was Franciso Santos, there was nobody from the Merkaartor team and none of the many folks who are very busy in Eastern Europe. (E.O.E.) I'm sure every one of them have had their valid reasons for not coming, and I don't see why RichardF's absence in particular should be something to discuss on the mailing list? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
Frederik Ramm wrote: There were a number of people absent at this year's SOTM who are quite active and/or important to the project - JonB wasn't there, Blackadder wasn't there, Artem wasn't there, Jordan Hatcher cancelled, Martijn van O wasn't there, neither was Franciso Santos, there was nobody from the Merkaartor team and none of the many folks who are very busy in Eastern Europe. (E.O.E.) Being an international project - and hopefully one that is ecologically friendly - it is to be expected that there WILL be more than one SOTM each year, organised on a more local basis. Firebird has an international conference, but local events in - for example - Brazil and Japan are bigger than the 'international' event. While is *IS* nice to put faces to the people we work with on line, what is much more important is a good cooperative network on line - something that I think is evolving nicely with OSM :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. I'd vote for somewhere in south germany, say, in the area of Weissenburg. But that's just me looking for an excuse to go there, the scenery is beautiful And because I think the SOTM needs to be a lot further east than it has been so far. Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
2008/7/16 Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. I'd vote for somewhere in south germany, say, in the area of Weissenburg. But that's just me looking for an excuse to go there, the scenery is beautiful And because I think the SOTM needs to be a lot further east than it has been so far. How about Hong Kong? Somewhat further east and I'm sure you could get there almost entirely by train if you really really wanted... Does it really have to be Europe? d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
Hi, Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. Nothing against Gran Canaria at all but I don't see a lot of value in doing SOTM directly before or after an event that has nothing to do with mapping or maps? If you're desperate to tag SOTM onto some other international conference than the obvious choice would be FOSS4G (Sydney 2009) but even there I don't see added value for us. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
2008/7/15 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. Nothing against Gran Canaria at all but I don't see a lot of value in doing SOTM directly before or after an event that has nothing to do with mapping or maps? fwiw here are my main reasons for suggesting it: imho the similarity of goals for free and open software and free and open mapping is major. So it is a good community to make more aware of openstreetmap though I know quite a lot of folks are involved already. I would guess it is cheaper to organise something when it is associated with something else. This conference has a lot of support from the local government so hopefully they would be willing to help too. It is the same time as SOTM has been the first 2 years. If you're desperate to tag SOTM onto some other international conference than the obvious choice would be FOSS4G (Sydney 2009) but even there I don't see added value for us. FOSS4G might be good to tag along with but only when it is in Europe so definitely not next year. Being close to another conference has its pros and cons. Major pro is potential to attract new folks from other conference, especially programmers to contribute to the software. Major con is potential to get swamped by folks from other conference. I 'm not the one to decide whether that is appropriate or not for SOTM, and I can't make up my mind anyway. fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Regards, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On 2008-07-15, Daniel Glassey wrote: 2008/7/15 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. Nothing against Gran Canaria at all but I don't see a lot of value in doing SOTM directly before or after an event that has nothing to do with mapping or maps? fwiw here are my main reasons for suggesting it: imho the similarity of goals for free and open software and free and open mapping is major. So it is a good community to make more aware of openstreetmap though I know quite a lot of folks are involved already. I would guess it is cheaper to organise something when it is associated with something else. This conference has a lot of support from the local government so hopefully they would be willing to help too. It is the same time as SOTM has been the first 2 years. If you're desperate to tag SOTM onto some other international conference than the obvious choice would be FOSS4G (Sydney 2009) but even there I don't see added value for us. FOSS4G might be good to tag along with but only when it is in Europe so definitely not next year. Being close to another conference has its pros and cons. Major pro is potential to attract new folks from other conference, especially programmers to contribute to the software. Major con is potential to get swamped by folks from other conference. I 'm not the one to decide whether that is appropriate or not for SOTM, and I can't make up my mind anyway. fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. the people deciding this might want to look at: - [1] which documents the bid for the joined Akademy\GUADEC next year. apperently Gran Canaria is easy and relatively cheap to get to from all over europe - [2] which mentions that they're arranging for lots of press to be present, also there apperently will be representives of 5 west-african governments for brought there especially for those conferendes [1] http://grancanariadesktopmeeting.eslic.es/index.php/GUADEC_Akademy_english [2] http://toscalix.blogspot.com/2008/07/guadec-akademy-in-gran- canariawhy.html -- Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
Daniel Glassey wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
And a veritable tra(i)norak! Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 15 July 2008 14:09 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09 Daniel Glassey wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
Daniel Glassey wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. cheers Richard Yes, and somewhere with good walking / nice scenery (=mapping party?) would be good. Black Forest or Alps maybe? Or southern France or a mountainous area of Spain or Italy? Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC would be. Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in mainland Europe easily accessible by train. Nowadays, there are plenty of airlines that allow you to offset the carbon output of your trip. I am not yet aware of train companies offering the same, so the treehugger in you might still prefer to fly? cu bart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
bvh wrote: Nowadays, there are plenty of airlines that allow you to offset the carbon output of your trip. I am not yet aware of train companies offering the same, so the treehugger in you might still prefer to fly? http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisure/about_eurostar/environment/off_setting.jsp Eurostar: Each train journey that we operate from 14 November 2007 onwards will be carbon neutral and will be offered at no extra cost to our passenger. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
2008/7/15 Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, and somewhere with good walking / nice scenery (=mapping party?) would be good. Black Forest or Alps maybe? Or southern France or a mountainous area of Spain or Italy? Austria sounds like a possibility here - it could also do with some extra mappers descending on it for a weekend. Or Munich, which also has mountains close by. Thanks, BTW, to those SOTM delegates who did some excellent mapping while in Ireland. And for those who logged but haven't yet uploaded, I'd be delighted to have some more raw material. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Nowadays, there are plenty of airlines that allow you to offset the carbon output of your trip. I am not yet aware of train companies offering the same, so the treehugger in you might still prefer to fly? http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisure/about_eurostar/environment/off_setting.jsp Eurostar: Each train journey that we operate from 14 November 2007 onwards will be carbon neutral and will be offered at no extra cost to our passenger. Faboulous! That clinches it for Brussels then? cu bart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and somewhere with good walking / nice scenery (=mapping party?) would be good. Black Forest or Alps maybe? Or southern France or a mountainous area of Spain or Italy? I was going to submit Trento to held next year SOTM: http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=46.05542148634464lon=11.116725821074876zoom=12layers=B000F000F We already had some big conferences on the subject of FOSS (like CONFsl2008 http://www.confsl.org/ ), a strong user base, and being an autonomous province they might help us financially as well, there is plentry of conference centers to choose from... ...in addition, july on the italian alps is not that bad as a choice :) train links are good from austria, germany, italy (bologna, verona, milano) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09
I'd just like to point out before someone mentions more exotic places like the moon or mars that its not the place that really dictates where you host the event, it's the people that will put in the hours and hours to make it happen. Getting the right team together with a strong local presence plus the necessary assistance from OSMF is what has been required for the last two years and I don't see any change it that requirement going forwards, in fact I'd argue that we need an even stronger local presence next time around to really make a difference in the locality, presently we are very inward facing with the conference and a wider reach would help with the aims of the Foundation. So, if you want to propose a team to host SOTM09 then I'm all ears. Cheers, Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Glassey Sent: 15 July 2008 6:50 AM To: Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09 Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=B00FTF Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/ So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this summer ;) Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 14/07/2008 6:28 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
