Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-09-26 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've just sent an enquiry to the AGIMO asking if this is true because
 the LWG has given no proof.

 Just like others I would like to know if the AGIMO has the authority
 to do a blanket license grant on other agencies data, or if they have
 actually received this special permission from each agency who's data
 is on data.gov.au.

 Thirdly if this is true, then I feel this is shockingly poor behaviour
 of the AGIMO. To grant special permissions exclusively to one party,
 which is made even worse when done behind closed doors... I would very
 much welcome less restrictive licensing of government owned data, but
 to give special privilege to OSM but no one else isn't very good
 behaviour of a Government in my humble opinion.


Righto, I've got a response from the AGIMO. They have clarified that
they have not granted any additional license to OSM. OSM can only use
the data under the existing licenses (i.e. the existing CC licenses).

From my understanding of the response I got from the AGIMO, the AGIMO
provided clarification on the attribution requirement of the CC
licenses applied to the government datasets. The AGIMO said OSM is
required to attribute the authors [of the government CC licensed
datasets], and they are happy with the attribution OSM gives on the
wiki.

The AGIMO are also happy for end users of OSM data [where that OSM
data contains CC gov data] to attribute the data as from OSM, and then
have OSM attribute the government source. So in other words they are
happy for their attribution to be chained through the works.

My understanding all along was you have the OSM database, that
database is a collective/collaborative work, and every contributor
owns the copyright/join copyright to the parts of the database that
they have contributed. Any users of the OSM database must attribute
all the individual copyright holders as per the CC-BY-SA license, but
most OSM contributors seem happy with OSM data users attributing OSM
Contributors with a link to OSM.org, where in turn they can find more
fine grain attribution via the planet dump or API.

However, if the OSMF wanted to license the OSM database which included
CC-BY data.gov.au works under a license where map images made from
such data need not provide any attribution, then OSMF doesn't have the
rights to grant that right, as they don't own the copyright to
data.gov.au data, nor do they have permission to license such data
under a license that does not require any form of attribution for
produced works. That is my concern, however I'm not really up to speed
with produced works and that whole area, so any pointers of my flaws
are quite welcome.

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Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-09-26 Thread John Smith
On 25 September 2011 15:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
 Secondly, With the greatest respect to the user concerned, who has been a
 great contributor to OSM, I don't think we need necessarily respect his
 wishes.  We need to look a bit more carefully at this area to see if
 anything has happened between the data source and OSM which could possibly
 be considered creative or original, or if it is just a pure data
 translation.

The data imported was cc-by-sa at the time, you can't just strip that
license condition out, you'd have to reimport otherwise you'd be in
breach of the original condition placed on the person importing.

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Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-09-26 Thread 80n
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Grant Slater
openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote:

 The Licensing Working Group has obtained explicit special permission


Hi Grant, are you there?

Can you please provide a link to this explict special permission that you've
obtained?

I'd particularly like to know what they think they've granted as a right,
rather than what permissions you think they've given.

80n
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Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-09-26 Thread 80n
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote:


 Righto, I've got a response from the AGIMO. They have clarified that
 they have not granted any additional license to OSM. OSM can only use
 the data under the existing licenses (i.e. the existing CC licenses).


Andrew, that's great that you've had a response from AGIMO.

Would it be possible for you to share a copy of their response with this
group?  I've made a similar request to Grant about his explicit, express
permission and it seems reasonable to ask you the same question.

Sadly, we really need first hand documentary evidence for any claim, either
way, to have any value.

80n
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