Re: [talk-au] What A Day
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:02:14 +0100 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: 3) (ok, three things), there is no map hosted as fosm.org at the moment, there are people working on rendering (such as bigtincan) and I'm happy to encourage such diversity as it makes the project stronger. I'm trying to keep the core of fosm small and tight. I don't want to create features like user dairies else I'd be accused of forking the community. We all have the same goals, some people just want to license them differently. So we would like a little code change and remove the 'map' link at the top, with some text info to sharedmap.org and bigtincan It will reduce some confusion. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] What A Day
The quiet and languid mailing list of normally laid back Australians exploded into vitriolic exchanges after a non-Australian hijacked a thread on the list. A number of listees found themselves offended by rash statements and then attempts were made to claim that white was black and black was white. I understand that this mail will not be read by the offending poster*, as I would happily say that I am a friend of John Smith. I don't always agree with him, but certainly we can discuss our differences without the need for alcohol to keep the peace. I am quite disturbed by the failure of the offending poster to even follow the thread of his own argument. Sadly, I have to deal with people like this every day, as I do see a large number of elderly and dementing people in my job. My biggest concern is quite different. What provoked this virtual visit to the list? Why are rabble rousing Australians such a threat to a world wide project? I thought that it came from our ability to think for ourselves and make our own decisions, but the accusation was made that we were drawn to our ways by the influence of a single Pom. I have no recall of the offending poster appearing on the list before, but do not claim to have searched the archives to support this hypothesis. So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami? * ie, the one who caused offence ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been banned or moderated. big snip of trash I've known them for a lot longer than you have it seems, and as I mention they've been kicked, banned or moderated before. I have not been kicked, banned or moderated, not on any list in my life. Am I missing out on something here? Why am I discriminated against? I can confirm that other mappers have received emails telling them that their views are well known, and don't require repeating. Likewise I can confirm that All Blokes is not a pseudonym of John Smith. And to return to the topic I'm hardly mapping anything now - since the big argument blew up I have little interest and decided to do some other things. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:32:58 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On 15/06/2011, at 3:15 PM, John Smith wrote: The current boundaries will be removed in the near future, so if I were you I wouldn't spend to much time fussing over them. Some of these boundaries have been edited to include highway=* and waterway=* tags (mainly in areas with (at the time) no good imagery). How easy is it to get a list of these ways? Now that better imagery is available, most of those places don't have better imagery, certainly not the places I did. And as they won't be pulled from fosm why should I be concerned? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:10:47 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: And as they won't be pulled from fosm why should I be concerned? Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning? Not everyone here has decided to give up on OSM. I'm going to decide once I see what the map looks like after changeover - in the meantime I'll keep mapping here. Rudeness won't get you anywhere. I am not permitting an irrevocable licence on my contributions. I never was, so I didn't contribute map updates to Garmin or Sensis or Google. I was invited to join a CC-by-SA project, was aware of which licence was appropriate for me at the time of joining, and will not be part of the obscure and doubtbul licence project. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL and real life...
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:12:25 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: We have people subverting our CC-BY-SA license right now!!1! *zomg* And they wouldn't be abusing our ODbL license in future. Case: UN: http://www.unitar.org/unosat-releases-new-maps-over-haiti I viewed these maps and understand why you have made the claim that the licence has been subverted, with no attribution given, assuming that the finding of the displaced person camps and damaged bridges etc was OSM volunteer work. I've not seen this example mentioned in the LWG or Board minutes, so I don't know when you contacted UNITAR / UNOSAT to have this clarified. I cannot however, follow your logic that it won't happen with a differently licensed map. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:12:24 +0800 James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Sadly, that's not how I understand it - particularly the terms in place between OSM and the individual ... at the relevant time. bit says to me that retrospective signing of the CTs to cover old contributions isn't allowed. James Andrewartha the last time I read the CTs (which have several versions), there was a clear reference to me having the rights to the data and perpetually licensing those rights to another organisation That would stop me signing up whether I used Yahoo! or Bing or NearMap. Indeed it would put a query on a lot of stuff I obtained by sending out GPS devices with random others to collect tracks. Ben, thanks for the offer, but worded as it is I still don't find that compatible with OSMF's terms and conditions. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:44:12 +1000 (EST) John Berkers be...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Hi, We've got a few roads around here (Narre Warren South/Lynbrook) that are split and not yet joined. One such road is Glasscocks Road, which runs from Dandenong Frankston Road, through through Lynbrook and Narre Warren South to Clyde Road in Berwick. It is currently in three parts, and you can visualise where it is planned to go in future. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-38.0687lon=145.2707zoom=14layers=M It looks like there are a few hold-out land owners that have not yet sold their properties for redevelopment, but as soon as they do, the road will get filled in. I'm not sure about property numbering at this point. There are portions of Glasscocks Road with houses on, some portions without. Regards, when the Northern Distributor was built in Wollongong, it carved through a number of streets. I think Cross Street Corrimal has a number of pieces now unconnected. For numbering absurdity - the Sturt Highway wins. Numbers out of Adelaide increase to about 231000 after Paringa. We took photos at about 217000. In Vic I didn't note a house number from the driver's seat. At Gol Gol the numbers are about 8000 and decrease until Euston, except in each town they start again at 1 and 2 for each side of the road. No numbers Euston to Balranald, Hay and Darlington Point. Houses in Balranald and Hay are numbered ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:53:42 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar coat it all you want, but what action did you take against anyone else involved? Without wasting my time looking at the wiki this business is as well organised as a schoolyard Set of rules made by one group, complaints handled by same group, prosecution handled by same group, judgement made by same group, punishment handled by same group. Whether something is attended or not attended is at a whim. I still do not have an answer other than I'm busy right now concerning a mapper who admitted to copying from google and whose edits have not been reverted - a 12 month period since I first contacted the mapper concerning their edits in Australia. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On Wed, 4 May 2011 20:29:22 +1000 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/05/2011 5:18 PM, David Murn wrote: Well, I have yet to hear any Australians complain about the freedom of the data, other than being incompatible with the new one-of-a-kind licence that OSM is wanting to use. I'm not objecting to freedom of data. The comment I objected to is the one that said if it is good enough for the Australian government, then it must be good enough for all Australians, with no need to examine it further. In which case the comment is taken somewhat out of its context The start is the ODBL faction asserting that CC-by-SA is unsuitable for data, or proven unusable for data. The Commonwealth of Australia has assessed licences under which to release geographic data, and chosen initially CC-by-SA and then CC-by. I am aware that the bureaucracy is very slow in its movements and very conservative, and that the Commonwealth of Australia can afford as many lawyers as it likes to examine the situation. My assertion is that those who know Australian copyright law, know what changes are likely in the near future to that law (not to legal judgements) have chosen CC licensing for geographic data, so the assertion from ODBL camp that the CC licence is not suited to data is proven to be false in this instance. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Barrier Reef Island Geographic Offset
Brampton Island http://osm.org/go/vIwcP8wt- Also saw the same for Lady Musgrave Island. I've not made any alterations, because I do not have any idea whether the possibly traced outline or the ABS boundaries are correct. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:28:09 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 27 April 2011 05:42, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Wait, why did the Australian government stop using CC-by-SA and move to CC-by? I actually wasn't aware of this, maybe because CC-by-SA adds needless restrictions and ambiguity on using the data? Basically yes - having to choose between the different variants was causing alot of confusion to individual authors; see recommendations 6.3-6.7 @ http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/gov20taskforcereport/chapter5.htm The AU government also provides the data under other specific terms on request. Mike of LWG has made a formal request. Notes in today's LWG meeting minutes. I can't see them on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes yet The draft minutes are out: -- Section 8... * Imported Dataset Licensing ** Australia Gov allows specific licensing. In mid December 2010 Mike wrote a formal letter to the following address but has not received a reply. He will follow up. Commonwealth Copyright Administration, Attorney General’s Department, National Circuit, Barton ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA -- Questions / comment likely best addressed to Mike on this item. / Grant Mike and Grant obviously have zero understanding of the bureaucracy guarding the data. I refer them to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtEkUmYecnk which clearly describes the length of the process. Being realists at this end, we have the data, we accept the licence from the Commonwealth of Australia. Just remind yourselves that if CC-by and CC-by-SA are good enough for our government, they are good enough for us, without spending any money on lawyers to help us make the decision. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:11:29 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: FOSM.org is hosted on a virtual machine of hypercube provided for XAPI. Without any explanation I was banned from the FOSM when I stated this. Regards Grant OSM Sysadmin team. Banned from the mailing list for OSM_Fork. If there was no explanation you may rationalise that there was cause and effect. They may simply be concomitant. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:17:33 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Unfortunately there are some very vocal (anonymous) members of the Australian community who seem intent on creating a virtual Us vs Them conflict in the community with exaggerated claims and mistruths. We aren't anonymous. We have names, and we do know each other. Whether we share our names with persons outside Australia is our business. There is definitely a major problem with the future of OSM in Australia. Writing nincompoop essays on this mailing list about we are here to help you does not convince us otherwise. Bluntly, CC-by-SA for geodata is fine here. It's good enough for our government, it's good enough for us. (Au government now is using CC-by for data). We believe in Share-Alike. Actually, we have been brought up to believe in share alike and helping each other, and that might be part of the reason you reach a brick wall on the change to a complex legal licence. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:24:09 +1000 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Using my australian test extract from 21/03/2011, I found that 3390 users have made edits in the area of interest (the Australian extract available on osmaustralia.org). Of these 3390 users, 536 have used the tag source=nearmap at least once. Of these 536 users, 134 have agreed to the ODbL+CTs. In my recent foray into Victoria, I found spots which must have been mapped from Nearmap, judging from the quality of the mapping and the lack of street names or POIs. I haven't done any check to see if those mappers have attributed Nearmap on a changeset or otherwise. I believe 536 mappers is a minimum who have used Nearmap. And if I take 134 as the numerator, and 3390 as the denominator, then I get 4%. This represents a large community who have decided that they are staying CC-by-SA. Some of those mappers aren't local and don't count - like stae**er who traced parts of remote Australia from Google, admitted it and still hasn't had any attention to his edits from the DWG, although I pointed out that he had edited over the whole world from his armchair, and the source of those was likely to be Google as well. Rosscoe cleaned up Crystal Brook, I cleaned up Marree, and Halls Creek remains polluted. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Comment from another user looking at sign-up screen
It asks you to agree. It doesn't ask you to accept or decline as you wish - and doesn't say what will happen if you decline. Contributor terms Please read the agreement below and press the agree button to confirm that you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing and future contributions. Then anonymous user is reading the entire agreement and finds in the very fine print you can click accept or decline but still doesn't say what happens if you decline He is now reading the CTs and finds them internally contradictory in that (1) give non-exclusive licence (2) you agree not to assert your moral rights I don't think he will agree to the CTs. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Does FOSM really work?
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:58:08 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 April 2011 08:09, Kevin Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: I have tried to use FOSM but with no success. I have opened an account and logged in but none of the links seem to work with the exception of the Attribution link that takes me back to an OSM Wiki page. The Potlatch link produces a mostly blank page with not a map in sight. Is it designed to operate on Windows Explorer 9? I've only used FOSM with JOSM, I've found it a little slow in downloading data, but it does work for me. Although it doesn't seem to have the same 0.25 of a degree limit when downloading, so in rural areas it actually makes life easier. I've used with merkaartor. But I couldn't be bothered to map right now, as I guess I would like a fosm tile server. When we hear back from 80n about fosm timeline we can consider setting up au-nz tile server if needed ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:18:41 +1000 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I hear that Kiwi OSM surveyors are having just as much trouble convincing OSM-F that their government too has done the due diligence on Creative Commons for geodata: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635#comment-222869 the comments are now error 403 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fw: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction.
Someone local to this guy want to speak with him? Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:58:25 -0700 From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction. Original Message Subject:Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction. Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:00:51 +1000 From: R Lynch r.ly...@ddsnsw.com.au To: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Sorry yes thank you Sent from my iPhone On 12/04/2011, at 8:10 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: you mailed the OSMF board which isn't set up or designed to help with what you want, we have mailing lists with people who can help you though, so I'm offering to connect you to them On 4/11/2011 3:11 PM, R Lynch wrote: Steve, Sorry im lost, What do you mean mailing list? Robert Sent from my iPhone On 12/04/2011, at 7:40 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: Robert Can I forward this to our mailing lists? Steve On 4/10/2011 7:44 PM, Robert Lynch wrote: Hi Steve, My name is Robert Lynch and I am the owner of a few small transport companies in Australia. Over the past 12 months I have been building a new transport, logistics and recruitment software to Launch in Australia. As part of this software we are looking for routing solutions and direct guidance for the drivers and a few other unique developments for this industry. Currently there is nothing like this in the market place and can be quickly replicated for other areas around the world. What i would like to do is speak with someone to see how we can partner up through a Joint venture or any other means. I hope to hear from you soon *_Robert F. Lynch_* *Head office: 1300 400 450* *Direct line: (02) 8093-1207* *Fax:(02) 8093-1243* *Mobile:0403 753 371* mime-attachment.png */PART OF THE DYNAMIC GROUP OF COMPANIES/* We now do Point-to-Point in Sydney: *www.dynamicexpress.com.au;* http://www.a-p-m.com.au/ Formally All Purpose Messengers; Delivering Excellent since 1954*/__/* This email and any attached files are confidential. They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email, and delete the original. All outgoing emails and attached files are virus scanned, but we do not represent that this email and any attached files are free from computer viruses or other defects. Further, we do not accept any liability for any damage caused by this email or attachments mime-attachment.jpg mime-attachment.jpg mime-attachment.png mime-attachment.jpg Original Message Subject: Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction. Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:00:51 +1000 From: R Lynch r.ly...@ddsnsw.com.au To: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Sorry yes thank you Sent from my iPhone On 12/04/2011, at 8:10 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: you mailed the OSMF board which isn't set up or designed to help with what you want, we have mailing lists with people who can help you though, so I'm offering to connect you to them On 4/11/2011 3:11 PM, R Lynch wrote: Steve, Sorry im lost, What do you mean mailing list? Robert Sent from my iPhone On 12/04/2011, at 7:40 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Robert Can I forward this to our mailing lists? Steve On 4/10/2011 7:44 PM, Robert Lynch wrote: Hi Steve, My name is Robert Lynch and I am the owner of a few small transport companies in Australia. Over the past 12 months I have been building a new transport, logistics and recruitment software to Launch in Australia. As part of this software we are looking for routing solutions and direct guidance for the drivers and a few other unique developments for this industry. Currently there is nothing like this in the market place and can be quickly
Re: [talk-au] ABS CodePlay
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:21:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An Australian Bureau of Statistics initiative to help drive collaboration between students, developers and national and international statistical agencies. http://data.gov.au/2770/contest-abs-codeplay/ that link is to a comment spot rather than to information have you got another link? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:22:49 +1000 Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to map some named reaches (straight portion of a stream or river, as from one turn to another;) part of a major river. The river (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.50134lon=150.8778zoom=15layers=M ) currently has both a riverbank area drawn, and a way down the middle of the river. To make things even more complicated, the way running down the middle of the river has both waterway tags and administrative boundary tags. I'm thinking the ideal way to map this (reaches + river + admin boundary) would be split the way into segments for each reach, tag each segment as waterway=reach, name=Foo Reach, then collect up the river segments into a relation which contains waterway=river, name=Bar River, and just leave the riverbank area as is. Not sure what to do with the admin boundary tags though. I'm not sure what's best though. Any thoughts? Thanks. I'd be looking at another word for reach. I'm not making any suggestions, but it isn't a simple English term, and using difficult terms makes the cross-language stuff hard. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:23:57 +1000
{withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote:
Bearing in mind reach is also the nautical term for a tack, is it
worth considering Andrew's source map might be documenting the lines
of sailing between navigation markers (or indeed landmarks) which are
no longer even well-known? [Disclaimer: I-am-not-a-sailor.] They may
not even document current-day navigation channels, if that part of
the river required dredging to keep such open in the past.
In other words I am wondering whether it might be best to add the new
names completely independently of both the waterway and the
administrative boundary. Maybe create a tag like
waterway:navigation, perhaps for the new feature, perhaps?
Justification for independence: these things are straight segments
which rationalise a natural (i.e. curved) waterway for boating
purposes... therefore are not the waterway itself. Similar argument
for them not being the administrative layer (although they might be -
can this be checked in any way?)
My 2c.
Stuck in my mind is Madmen's Bend at Hay, which refers to a part of
the river, and it is not a /reach/, but also warrants its name
recording as the sign nearby is recording the name.
http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?album_id=144_order=date_off=1246
Have we got some other word for the smaller part of the waterway?
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Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:58:04 +1000 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If you still consider importing this data without permission was in the best interest of the project, I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree. Others can make up their own mind. and we have had to edit the data and correct it, so what is in the OSM database is not what we got from BP or Shell ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:19:39 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 06:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done with Bing? This really needs to be done. Is wonder if this is just due to a shortage of time that the LWG hasn't included this as yet? Absolutely and it is a important to LWG too. We have had discussions with NearMap in the past. Last discussion with NearMap was passing the revised Contributor Terms 1.2.4 to NearMap for their legal review, we are currently waiting on them. Regards Grant LWG Member. Grant, that sounds like here are the terms, take it or shove it you may or may not understand the vernacular, we will but I don't see any evidence of cooperatively trying to reach a solution. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:48:55 +1000 Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone? Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even through i'd put a note on my OSM user page saying i didn't want it. I'm sure i've seen something on the OSM wiki about it, and there is the following on the top right of the odbl.de page: i'm sure its spam, and I haven't received it yet, so I can't give the sender the forks in a virtual manner ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:53:02 +1000 Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they think of those of us that won't / can 't / don't want to accept their terms. Certainly helps give the impression of a professional organisation... (not) I don't see a lolcat on that page, was it on another page? Certainly the lolcat on the front page of the osm wiki makes me wonder about the IQ of the page writers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:30:29 +1000
{withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote:
Whilst I agree / commiserate with your basic point (been there;
done that; spent the fuel), don't you still have the raw traces
from your device? I certainly do, and consider at no point have I
ever given up my rights to them.
I couldn't see any point in keeping those traces at the time, so a
couple of years OSM work of mine will be lost to OSM.
That is annoying. I feel for you; as I nearly did the same thing; and
in fact have lost some information as well,but obviously not quite so
severely.
I have the vast majority of mine. I removed them from OSM already, and
have them roughly sorted by year.
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Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:27:57 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Also the locations have been fixed for numerous locations so if you ever get in contact with anyone please let them know about OSM having more accurate data than they offer, I think 30km out is still the worst case. The locations have had to be corrected in almost every case that I have passed by, and the Victorian Police Stations also. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:40:15 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 09:28, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If the data owner doesn't grant permission under an acceptable licence then we shouldn't relying on one interpretation of very recent Australian case. Especially since there are other areas of law that may come into play here. Actually the court case was a few years ago I think, this was an appeal against the earlier ruling. The Court system has affirmed the original decision. Copyright (Au) depends on thinking about the input, and cannot be derived from machine generated data. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program. those who see a big hole in the numbers total contributors at May 2010 ~250,000 Those who have signed up ~9,000 Those who have not signed up ~77,000 the gap I guess refers to accounts which have been completely idle and will be prevented from editing (source, LWG minutes 5th April 2011) I still have trouble understanding how 9,000 of 86,000 is a large majority. Those who signed up after May 2010 got no option, so they can't be construed as supporting either side. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Need a laff?
If you need a laff, try the wiki page on countryside http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Countryside ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] GPS jamming
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3161861.htm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] temp name change
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:47:08 +1100 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently from Yorkeshire, All the world is queer save thee and me, and even thou art a little queer. -- Robert Owen, 1828 This is how my dad used to quote it. Jim Nov 26 03, 6:19 PM On Monday, February 21, 2011, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:21:49 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, am I the only normal person on this email list? Steve everyone's odd except thee and me and even then i'm worried about thee sorry i can't recall the exact words of the quote nor do i know the original source thanks Jim ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] temp name change
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:21:49 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, am I the only normal person on this email list? Steve everyone's odd except thee and me and even then i'm worried about thee sorry i can't recall the exact words of the quote nor do i know the original source ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] temp name change
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/18/3142067.htm anyone fixing this on the map? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:56:03 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all considered subtags of the access tag. So, for consistency, it would be caravan=no, just like it's foot=no, motorcar=no... Steve a complete subtag like caravan=no will cause misunderstandings with those highway tags which mark a cycleway as part of the way sample highway=secondary cycleway=lane caravan=no will the caravan=no belong on the cycleway or will it belong on the main way? however highway=secondary cycleway=lane access:highway:caravan=maybe would be clear. This discussion just informs us that the access tagging system has faults. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:07:48 +1100 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 00:04 +, David Groom wrote: I just want to draw attention to the survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WFVK6XS , the link was mentionedn Richard Weait's email to this list on 1 Feb, but I have to admit that I missed it the first time I read his posting Out of interest, who runs this survey and who is (or when will we be) allowed to know the results? David and can I do it 20 times as Jane Smith? seeing it asks for a name ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] time change on bing
obvious time change between two sets of photos here http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2cp=-31.607381813961595~143.33909511566418lvl=17dir=0sty=hwhere1=Wilcannia%2C%20NSWq=Wilcannia%20NSW ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:45:52 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: A small thing perhaps, but the next step requested by the board prior to 31 March is Phase 3, which adds the decline option to the current accept option. I expect that the improved CTs (1.2.4) will be available at the same time, pending the required translations. March 31 is not a switch over date, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan In that case I've missed some meeting minutes, because that is not what I last read. Mushroom theory confirmed. My understanding (shared by some others) was that Phase 3 was to start 1st April 2011, that is if not accepting new terms, no editing. the Implementation Plan referenced above doesn't seem to have adding the Decline button in it, but it is an important step. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] i presume university western sydney
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Christian%20Nold/diary/12968 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:30:47 +0800 Andrew Gregory andrew.greg...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 February 2011 08:38, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 February 2011 09:28, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I also wonder how this works, using your example, if the user had entered street names and then another user came along and fixed a spelling mistake in one which they had surveyed themselves. When the changeset is relicenced, you have v1 of an object under a non-compatible licence, and v2 is compatible, so what happens to the object? It goes away. All objects get rolled back to the last valid state that have no unlicensed edits before them. So any object where v1 is unlicensed is gone, no matter how many changes have been done to it since. Surely that can't be correct? For example, I've surveyed an awful lot of the Perth northern suburbs, but I started off by tracing Nearmap imagery. My understanding is that Nearmap haven't agreed to the new licensing but nevertheless I've since personally surveyed the streets, corrected alignments, added names and changed source=nearmap to source=survey. I would understand if data and records of the original source=nearmap disappeared with the license change, but the subsequent source=survey edits would be able to be kept? Dropping data simply because at one time it was in an incompatible-license state but is now no longer sounds incredibly destructive to me. Is what's going to happen documented anywhere? I've had a poke around the wiki, but can't see anything relevant to how the data is being handled. There is no easy answer for this. How does one sort out exactly what has been surveyed and what is traced? Then we still aren't sure if you can agree to the contributor terms yet, having used NearMap at all - the CTs are still being revised, and until there is some 'final' version, again there is no answer. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM filtering image/map tile URLs
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:00:11 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: that P2 does indeed prevent you from using any URL with the string google in it. I like Merkaartor and JOSM, and have not seen any need yet to try Potlatch2. I could set up a proxy - on my squid to rewrite URL 'forbidden_image' to 'google' if I wanted. However I have zero interest in using google imagery, so I won't. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:37:15 +1100 Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in places where emergency vehicles can't get access. why not? just because the emergency workers have to walk? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:21:08 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What about the national parks mentioned previously that don't actually have paths to prevent people from creating goat tracks? Someone must have got in there with the sign, somehow. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:58:04 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 09:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. So what was your conclusion? Drink more or less? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Victorian Coastline
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:46:08 +1030 Markus_g marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Hello, Someone has added coastline to the administration boundaries from the SA border to Port Philip Bay and removed the old coastline. There edit comment was removed malformed Victorian/SE SA coastlines and added 'coastline' tag to administrative boundaries to form accurate coastlines The direction of the coastline is mostly now reversed. I am planning to reverse the coastline direction and repair the Conservation Park at the SA/Vic boarder unless someone beats me to it. Markus_g It would be best that the coastline was duplicated, and separate from the admin boundary I spent some hours on a wet weekend doing this for 2 major rivers, and just like the mentioned coastline, directions weren't always right, and one river had a gap in it which I closed. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:29:01 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Also: we're being linked like crazy from several major media sources, so if you can ensure you have a decent-size browser cache and avoid trying to spider down large areas of tiles, that'd be very helpful in reducing the load (currently around 3x the peak we saw during the WA Telethon competition, and climbing). that sounds great Ben, please tell us more about the interest in your business ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Flooding on NearMap
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:55:14 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 January 2011 12:52, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I have no idea what to tag it, I'm sure you'll work something out. Brendan flood_prone=yes Need to expand it a little to cover how often that level is likely to occur etc and/or height above the normal river level. ___ Jan 2010 added to it somehow would be adequate? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Flooding on NearMap
ps. does anyone have a time stamp for exactly when the flood reached peak height? http://www.abc.net.au/news/infographics/qld-floods/height.htm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Flooding on NearMap
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:04:01 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: ps. does anyone have a time stamp for exactly when the flood reached peak height? http://www.abc.net.au/news/infographics/qld-floods/height.htm ___ taken from this data http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDQ65389/IDQ65389.540198.tbl.shtml (read now, it has rolling expiry) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:03:10 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Er... there's lots! Most of the FairFax media sites picked up the Sydney Morning Herald article yesterday, http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/flood-devastation-mapped-by-highres-sky-cams-20110114-19qer.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Flooding on NearMap
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 07:57:49 +0100 waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: flood_prone=yes Need to expand it a little to cover how often that level is likely to occur etc and/or height above the normal river level. Jan 2010 added to it somehow would be adequate? I think it would be better to describe the flood by a height, rather than by a date. This way, it is generalisable to future floods. Something like: flood_prone=yes flood_prone:height=* Obviously, we'd need to carefully define height (is it normally with respect to some marker, or with respect to sea level, etc.?) Anyway, the idea is that this field would describe under what conditions the area (or way) is flood prone. flood markers exist at particular points but are subject to being moved you can find references on bom.gov.au to some river heights not being at the same point as the historical flood marker so you can say that this is Xmetres on the Brisbane City Gauge flood_prone:height=* sounds good but we don't have that much data - we can mark the edge as being inundated at X+4.3metres but we don't have enough data to know where the edge is at X+2 metres (etc) there are generalised standards avail off BOM where floods are major:moderate:minor and those terms are defined here http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/flooding.shtml#definitions_terminology so i suggest we make an effort to fit in with that established terminology ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Massive flooding
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:35:58 +1100 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: JohnSmith wrote I originally cc'd my original email to the HOT list as well, however it would see they doesn't bother trying to help unless you are a 3rd world country with a high chance of PR... Given the incessant trolling and cyber-stalking of OSM by some vocal Australians, I'd be suprised if anyone else in OSMWorld gave tuppance for what happens in Australia. __ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au there's a link just there, you are able to use it to unsubscribe ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia Post finds new routes around floods
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:35:06 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Flooding has disrupted mail deliveries in Queensland. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/05/3106734.htm I guess it might be useful after all to tag flood prone roads: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flood_prone so you just download Qld and tag the lot?? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locations of underground creeks
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:04:58 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2011 19:04, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2011 15:51, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yer, but GPS's don't work underground. AGPS does... or rather, some forms of AGPS do... I'm waiting for this to actually become available https://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/casio-exilim-ex-h20g-digital-camera.html because it has GPS, INS and the firmware update will record gps tracks ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locations of underground creeks
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:10:23 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Yer, but GPS's don't work underground. AGPS does... or rather, some forms of AGPS do... I'm waiting for this to actually become available https://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/casio-exilim-ex-h20g-digital-camera.html because it has GPS, INS and the firmware update will record gps tracks I didn't mention that I'm not volunteering for the job. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:15:58 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: If, in your future highway editing, you could update your network tags to the AU_NH, AU_NR, etc. form, that will mean that Australian shields will continue to render after I clean up the Dirty Hack(r). ;-) we now put network tags in relations so another line in the relation would be appropriate but thanks for making highway shields ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locations of underground creeks
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:51:54 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yer, but GPS's don't work underground. you need an INS ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Suitable Garmin GPS Devices
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:22:00 +1100 Eraina Richard Jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: My T_m-T_m GPS is over two years old ... and its maps are showing some errors. I was looking at buying a new set of maps ... but if I can get them for my model, they will cost almost as much as a new gps!! Some friends have told me that a Garvin GPS is the way to go ... because I can then take advantage of the OSM work done by others ... and keep my maps up to date. I can even contribute by inputting data from places I visit on my winter travels up the north coast! Accepting this, are there any Garvin GPS that will not support OSM ... i.e. that I should stay away from. This buying of commercial maps every couple of years is a pain!! Maybe I should scan the discount stores for a Garvin ... now ... during the after-Xmas sales?? Maybe if you have specific advice you could email me direct. I don't want to start a flame-war ... over different brands of GPS! I use my GPS in the car/motorhome ... so a 4.5in screen would be a plus. The windscreen in our truck is a metre from my eyes! Thanks for any help... Richard I am using routable maps for Garmin from http://osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php and these work OK in my Garmin Oregon. I have not tested them in the Garmin car sat-nav at all, which is a 2007 model for which I have no new maps since 2008. On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM after April Fool's Day. We will have alternate data sources by then. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Murray and Murrumbidgee rivers and anabranches
I've been working on the Murray anabranches and the Murrumbidgee River so far this year. Filling in gaps and putting the flow in an appropriate direction and disentangling from the admin boundaries. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] airports import
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:53:20 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Liz, The airport import has been discussed on OSM-talk - see Massive import of airports thread. If the imported data represents genuine airstrips, then it sounds like they belong in OSM, but perhaps with different tags. Maybe xxx airstrip rather than xxx airport. PS Would you mind toning down the inflammatory language? Crazy...trash...etc. Let's keep it friendly. Steve On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: someone from somewhere else in the world has imported airports from some crazy list. I went looking for some way off the beaten track places in NWQ only to find Kamileroi Airport Lorraine Airport Gregory Downs Airport which are all station / homestead airstrips Is someone bored enough to remove this trash import from Au ? I've read the talk discussion The licence of the import was discussed Very little discussion about the use of the import at all. We have a set of rules or guidelines about importing stuff and all of them have been violated by this import not discussed in advance global import without checking with other parties licence is doubtful, stated PD but is copied from elsewhere actual points are off (because they are calculated??) so its as bad as trying to chase down those rogue BP service stations that were found up to 33km from home. I still find crazy and trash are appropriate. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] airports import
We have a set of rules or guidelines about importing stuff http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] airports import
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 09:00:45 +1000 Kevin Ruth Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: As a regular traveller in remote Australia, I can see advantage for map users in having cattle station air strips in OSM. Quite apart from RFDS operations, there is a progressive merging of tourism and agriculture. To have strips shown in OSM is of value to light aircraft owners planning their trip. More visitors will travel to tourist cattle stations as time goes on. I don't think you can make a comparison with back yard pools and tennis courts at all. Kevin Airstrip? or Airport? these are not distinguished, and those I have been able to place were not correctly placed to me that is useless information Some could be placed from aerial imagery but others not so, particularly when the airstrip and the racecourse share the same space eg Ardlethan NSW currently, and Quamby Qld from memory Correctly tagged and placed, this could have been useful information. However right now it is very poor quality. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] airports import
Dear god. 1) You, and about a thousand other people have pointed this out. 2) Clearly the person involved didn't know this, and is now doing the right thing. 3) Why complain *here* about it? Steve could you reduce the exaggeration? I don't see anything on talk or tagging about things being sorted out and asked here if someone was interested in actually removing stuff from Au. I assume that there are a few thousand of these nodes. Either we remove them or we mark them all with a 'fixme' ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] airports import
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:45:19 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: we mark them all with a 'fixme' Sounds good to me. Steve so do we have a consensus and a volunteer? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] airports import
someone from somewhere else in the world has imported airports from some crazy list. I went looking for some way off the beaten track places in NWQ only to find Kamileroi Airport Lorraine Airport Gregory Downs Airport which are all station / homestead airstrips Is someone bored enough to remove this trash import from Au ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:49:07 +0800 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: The nearmap.com twitter feed (or Facebook, if you prefer) is your friend... we announce flight starts, flight ends and publication of new surveys. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.082167,147.302565z=21t=hnmd=20101207 Cheers Ben On 18 December 2010 08:49, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: New nearmap imagery from 7th December of flooding in Wagga I just noticed. I'm not into twitter, facebook or anything similar - I can spend enough time on the net now without any other distractions. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] a local data compilation ruling that may be of interest
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:53:20 +1100 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: or not... http://minterstmt.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-copyright-in-white-and-yellow-pages.html jim Interesting. Not considered is the possibility that the people working as contractors for Telstra (as I recall they were/are not employees) retained any copyright over what they collected. Certainly the compilation of the facts/data is not subject to copyright, sweat of the brow does not bring copyright, but no light is shed on the intelligent effort involved in how do I tag this object? including when new tags are proposed and used. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] a local data compilation ruling that may be of interest
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:57:34 +1100 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 13:53 +1100, Jim Croft wrote: or not... http://minterstmt.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-copyright-in-white-and-yellow-pages.html I can see how this ruling applies to White pages, as that is simply a listing of facts. Yellow pages however, is very different, with listings all sorted into categories (some listings into multiple categories), and a lot of the listings having artwork and other copyrighted materials like logos, etc. How can someone claim that theres no creative copyrightable work in the yellow pages? David The logos etc in the YP are copyright to the businesses who stick them in. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
So, whens the aussie fork coming? David world-wide osm-f...@googlegroups.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] NSW Bridge numbers
Today, driving around various flood diversions, we found a bridge number Mirrool Creek, south of Ardlethan on the Newell is 10029. Photo proof coming later My internet is either flaky or b**g*d ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Bridge numbers
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:02:58 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Today, driving around various flood diversions, we found a bridge number Mirrool Creek, south of Ardlethan on the Newell is 10029. Photo proof coming later My internet is either flaky or b**g*d http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=19389 Guest / Guest should login if required ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:42:01 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Let's talk real advice, from the old white haired lady, who has been on non-profit Boards and for-profit Boards over the last 15 years. Just published is this guide from the Institute of Directors and some others, for UK registered unlisted companies http://www.iod.com/MainWebsite/Resources/Document/corp_gov_guidance_and_principles_for_unlisted_companies_in_the_uk_final_1011.pdf Definitely worth a read, and should be compulsory for all those serving on the OSMF Board. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:43:52 +0100 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? Also I payed in trips all over to collect data, dinners with people, etc etc. Why do I need to pay money to a bank account so that I have a say? FAIL! You could make that argument for virtually every volunteer organisation. Virtually all organisations need some kind of funds, and if there is no other form of revenue, it comes from members. Nothing unusual there. The question is of funds for voting rights or merit for voting rights. This means that the people with funds will have a vote and the people who are just working will not. mike I can see the legal line of thought for paying to belong to a company / organisation. I do support the right of those without large amounts of cash - students, those living in developing countries - to have a say. All contributions to the project need to be valued - code, data, server maintenance and cash. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:57:25 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? From http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg06524.html Where, Ben Last said: I asked Richard F to remove NearMap support from Potlatch, since we didn't want to encourage anyone to add data to OSM which might be, or become, incompatible with the CTs. Seems like it just took a little longer for this to be reflected in the JOSM plugin. No-one 'asked' for removal from JOSM. No-one announced its removal from JOSM. It was found to be removed by a concerned person checking the code. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:12:32 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess 2011's elections will take place at the start of July as usual. I can honestly say that I do not have time available to put into such a job in the near future. Standing as a candidate when you have not the time to provide the input is morally wrong. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MS imagery
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:41:04 +1000 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Planning to enable access is not the same as enabling access. So, at the moment, we can't use it. Merkaartor is ready to go, as soon as the legalities are OK. from Merkaartor list I guess we need a good way to use the Bing photos in Merkaartor now. Or can we already? Some insight can be found here: http%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Flibrary%2Fbb259689.aspx Preliminary (as we actually have no idea of what will be allowed, yet) version of Bing Maps plugin is in GIT. A snapshot including that was uploaded to Debian experimental some minutes ago. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:50:09 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, why a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be unhappy to do so under ODbL, assuming they were able to do so. I don't agree with ODBL. I don't think that it is right that those providing manipulated data eg data ready for a navigation app (Navit, Garmin format) should have to provide access to a planet dump of OSM as well. I also am a 'share-alike' person, and those who use the data need to add their additions to the pool of data. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:59:13 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Because when you engage with the guys who are doing stuff, make suggestions, talk to them in a friendly manner, the result is better for everyone. That applies as much to licence discussions as it does to OSM software or website development. But when you throw assumptions and resentment around and assume the worst, yes, the worst usually happens. I find this quite offensive. Because I have discussed things and asked questions, while indicating that I do not agree, I have been treated extremely rudely on other OSM mailing lists, in particular by persons in 'high places'. I have been labelled a 'troll' which I am not, and been the subject of personal abuse by SteveC. All that has happened is polarisation of the debate, and I firmly suggest that if you read talk-au you never post again. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] CT / ODbL approval by changeset.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:58:21 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Glad to have your support on this. I guess you don't comprehend Australian idiom. I didn't read support in the reply at all, noting some sarcasm. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:18:07 + Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: [off-list] I have been labelled a 'troll' which I am not, and been the subject of personal abuse by SteveC. Hang about. I'm not SteveC and I wouldn't necessarily class him as among the guys who are doing stuff that I referred to. I wouldn't say oh, all the Australians are a PITA because one of them said this. Richard this was quite deliberately done in this provocative manner because you were claiming that all was very friendly in OSM and it simply is not I have not been rude to anyone on a public list but I certainly have been the recipient of derogatory comments on an OSM list and to prove my point that this happens, I made a similar suggestion to yourself, that is, to shut up because I am in disagreement. I ask questions which are still valid, and they are not answered, but ignored. I'm still mapping, because I'm filling the database with more hundreds of km of CC-by-SA data, just having taken the scenic way home from the feedlot this morning to 'get' more roads. and so I am an active participant in this project, as I have been for 3 years ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:48:11 +1100 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly, it unfortunately appears that there will be whole villages/towns that will remain red. These will need to be resurveyed. I believe that this will take about one year (or maybe two at the most) I think you are over hopeful here. To do what I have done has taken 3 years. It covers a vast area which people rarely visit as well as areas which are more often travelled. I am not changing from CC-by-SA, and others do feel the same way, The green / yellow / red map only covered ways, and not nodes. I would survey a lot of nodes, marking POI and that work too would be discarded from ODBL-OSM. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:00:30 -0800 (PST) Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: Two years or 3 its not that important osm will recover. Community based mapping is too important to be abandoned for reliance on commercial mapping organisations. Its also a lot of fun which takes the edge off having to re-map areas. I am however kind of surprised at the attitude by some that seems to relish the removal of data from OSM. Leaving it in would result in no loss to the individual at all even if they were to continue mapping on another community based map project. I find the attitude of those who wish to alter the licence, knowing that a large quantity of data is incompatible, the most community destroying thing in the argument. If Nick wishes to remap he can do as he pleases. I have a different interpretation of the effect of the default residential speed limit change on the red : yellow : green map, that it would have converted some parts to yellow IF the other mapper(s) involved were intending to relicense under ODBL. Red lines represent CC-by-SA data with no mapper involved who has declared an intention to join the ODBL/CT group. Yellow is a mixture, from the history at the date at which the data was downloaded. The system is not perfect - when a way is split the history only goes on one part. I have also noted a dual carriageway, both directions mapped by same mapper with no other mapper involvement, with one lane red and one lane yellow. Nodes, and hence POI, had to be ignored for the process, but considering the source of the node may be more accurate than the source of the way. I'm not sure that OSM will recover, as there is a distinct possibility that OSM will splinter into so many parts that it does not recover. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:29:30 +1000 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Also, would you argue that Apple has a more polished product than anything in the Linux family? I don't use apple anything, so cannot speak from experience. I know they have the most locked-down model and that they can expertly create demand for their products. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:59:42 -0800 (PST) Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: Wouldn't this problem be easier to manage if each CC-BY data source was kept in separate data store which is combined as a layer on the client or tile server? I think it is reasonable to suggest alternate methods of keeping and displaying data, and to consider moves away from the monolithic world database. We can come to agreements then about licences but i'm sure that somewhere layering stuff with different licences is against one of the licence's conditions ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] license change map
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:33:38 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au Date: 12 November 2010 11:37 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] license change map To: Fabian Schmidt fschm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org From looking at a few different cities in this map, it is quite telling what areas support the licence and which areas will be devastated by the data loss. Compare for example: London city: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=51.49734lon=-0.12444layers=B0 Sydney city: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=-33.88527lon=151.23352layers=B0 Perth city: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=-31.95292lon=115.91642layers=B0 I also note, this map only shows the ways that are tagged/edited by certain types of users. What about POIs? A street-map is great and all, but without any indication of what objects are where, it only does half the job. Id like to know, for example, how many petrol stations or public toilets, will be lost if CCBYSA-only data is excluded. Im also curious, can you give an explanation of the 'treemap' you included a link to? David On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 17:41 +0100, Fabian Schmidt wrote: As the license thermometer[1] turns greener I was interested in how far this already effects the map data. So using the planet history I took a closer look on the ways. So far 3700 mappers agreed to the new license. Out of 68 million ways 46% are created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL. 42% were not edited by a proponent of ODBL, the remaining 12% of the ways have a mixed history. You will find a map of the ways colored according to their license (red = CCBYSA, green = ODBL, yellow = partly ODBL) at http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ Fabian. [1] http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/treemap.png London looks damaged enough in the proposed ODBL change; but if instead of looking at cities one looks at mid to south western NSW Dubbo, Cobar, Wilcannia to Broken Hill; eastern boundary through Canowindra, Cowra, Grenfell western and southern boundaries being the state borders, then it's basically all red all roads, all boundaries, all rivers The division into colours is not strictly accurate - I see some places I surveyed in green and I am not in favour of ODBL ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locata augmenting GPS in GPS hostile areas
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:02:10 +1100 Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: An australian company which can provide gps signals inside buildings, urban canyons, etc., etc. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2010/3058425.htm See also http://www.locatacorp.com/technology.html I presume that this is just differential GPS (DGPS), a technology well known to surveyors, who own their own units or hire access to one. Perhaps Locata is cheaper. I tried to download two of the technical papers but neither pdf would open so I haven't been able to confirm the details. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locata augmenting GPS in GPS hostile areas
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:01:19 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:02:10 +1100 Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: An australian company which can provide gps signals inside buildings, urban canyons, etc., etc. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2010/3058425.htm See also http://www.locatacorp.com/technology.html I presume that this is just differential GPS (DGPS), a technology well known to surveyors, who own their own units or hire access to one. Perhaps Locata is cheaper. I tried to download two of the technical papers but neither pdf would open so I haven't been able to confirm the details. RTK-GPS with the augmentation signals from more than one transmitter. Transmitted on a different band to satellite GPS signals and proprietary synchronization technology ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locata augmenting GPS in GPS hostile areas
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:51:52 +1100 Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: http://www.locatacorp.com/docs/Locata%20Primer%20v1.3,%20public%20rel,%20Feb%2005.pdfExplains the difference to dgps Dgps requires the gps receiver to be augmented to receive the differential signal while with this you can use just a consumer gps and get very good accuracy not exactly; you need a few other gadgets as well this is RTK-GPS as I did post later (real-time-kinetic gps) On 08/11/2010 7:03 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:02:10 +1100 Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: An australian company w... I presume that this is just differential GPS (DGPS), a technology well known to surveyors, who own their own units or hire access to one. Perhaps Locata is cheaper. I tried to download two of the technical papers but neither pdf would open so I haven't been able to confirm the details. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Project of the Week / Month
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:33:36 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: There are lit roads in a lot of places. Where there are few lit roads it might be even more interesting to have data on where the lights exist. Only if the roads twinkle on the glittermap http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/glittermap/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Marree, South Australia]
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:28:08 +1000 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Please don't touch them, I'll arrange to have the reverts run over this weekend (30th-31st October). My significant other is waiting impatiently to edit Marree. How are you going with this? Really we have plenty else to map for a few days. Then there are other changesets listed by Staehler in May #4341783 #4341031 #4339058 #4338519 #4332119 #4330945 #4330174 and we need to be sure that they are all reverted. Yes, staehler agreed to this in May, and asked another mapper to assist, and we need to ensure that it is completed. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] outback SA street names
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:20:50 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: What did staehler say when you discussed this? reply sent to list separately ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Marree, South Australia]
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:28:08 +1000 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: It would be nice if people passed on the info as per here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Vandalism That way these could have been reverted easily. Looking at them most will have problems as they have been modified by others. Please don't touch them, I'll arrange to have the reverts run over this weekend (30th-31st October). Cheers Ross Usual wiki problem - can't find any info when you want it so i just started with contact and an email to talk-au I was thinking as I cycled home tonight that JOSM really needs source= coming up in the presets - if we had that we would have known what this gentleman had got from landsat and what was not from landsat, and now it will all have to go because that was recorded on JOSM when he edited (see forwarded explanation) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] outback SA street names
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: As far as I can tell the guy was on holiday in Aus mapped Coober Pedy then traveled on through Marree adding the pub as he went. Pub isn't where he put it, nor the Health Service and the pub is really called The Great Northern Hotel on the board with the licensee's name ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] outback SA street names
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:16:10 +1100 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: As far as street names are concerned, we could just pick up the names for the streets currently unnamed by survey from the Atlas of SA, and attribute appropriately. If someone gets updated names from survey, they can update. Until then the temptation to just add them from a commercial map is gone. It would only take a couple of minutes for Maree/Coober Pedy, and the problem as far as street names go would vanish. Son agrees to get copyright free data from appropriate government department in Adelaide - he said he had to go there anyway. then when the revert process has completed I can add names and attribute them to correct source ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Is the RTA making their own fork..
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:33:11 -0700 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: But it's great to see that they are embracing the concept of croudsourcing, to make the city dataset better :) I just checked a regional map or two and found them appalling. They need help ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW bridge numbers
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:45:20 +1000 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com was not the person who wrote: Yesterday we found lots of blue numbered markers on posts near bridges, all 4 digit, and a larger number of posts white with blue top which marked culverts, with a larger number of digits. Illawarra Highway had some three digit bridge numbers. I've not put these photos up yet, and anyone wanting to see my collection of photos will be hampered by a change in my ip address ( and a 2 week TTL on the old one) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] N.S.W Bridge Numbers
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:20:12 +1000 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I've started tagging the N.S.W bridges numbers, using the bridge_number tag. Found one today, cycling at lunchtime, pulled the oregon 550 off the handlebars and took its photo with gloved hands http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?album_id=73_off=3186 There are marker signs at both ends of the bridge, and they look very new. The bridge itself is one of the Burley Griffin designed bridges. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] N.S.W Bridge Numbers
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:01:26 +1000 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so after all this, I have a question. Can any N.S.W OSMers let me know if thay see any bridge number-plates or number-stakes either on or near the ends of bridges in N.S.W? 10 days ago I did a complete walk across the bridges at Darlington Point, and photographed each of the markers. No number plates or number stakes seen. Bridge marker http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?_action=displayalbum_id=73_off=3107 190 200 sign, consistent with ?distance marker signs seen elsewhere at side of road http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?_action=displayalbum_id=73_off=3102 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
