Re: [talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Warin]

Good Luck...

On 23/04/19 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Solved!!! (& I'm an idiot! :-()

Just realised that I had previously selected to hide boundaries, to 
stop admin boundaries cluttering up the screen while doing things. 
Switched boundaries back on, refreshed & there you are!


So, today's new thing that I have learned is that "boundaries" are all 
type of boundaries, not just admin!


Thanks everyone!

Graeme


On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Andy Townsend > wrote:


On 23/04/2019 00:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> ...
> But I still can't "see" the National Park / nature_reserve
boundary to
> be able to edit it?
>
> Would that be purely an iD problem? That just doesn't sound right?
>
>

Maybe you can describe what you can see?  If I edit
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-28.09605/153.45895 in iD the
national park boundary is pretty obvious - especially as it currently
has a natural=wood tag on it as well, so you can see "trees on the
beach".  If I click on "view on openstreetmap.org
" in iD it opens
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104759342 up in a new browser tab.

That said, iD wouldn't be my first choice to edit something that's
fairly complicated, and perhaps move some tags to another feature
(mainly due to my unfamiliarity with it).

Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Solved!!! (& I'm an idiot! :-()

Just realised that I had previously selected to hide boundaries, to stop
admin boundaries cluttering up the screen while doing things. Switched
boundaries back on, refreshed & there you are!

So, today's new thing that I have learned is that "boundaries" are all type
of boundaries, not just admin!

Thanks everyone!

Graeme


On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 23/04/2019 00:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > ...
> > But I still can't "see" the National Park / nature_reserve boundary to
> > be able to edit it?
> >
> > Would that be purely an iD problem? That just doesn't sound right?
> >
> >
>
> Maybe you can describe what you can see?  If I edit
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-28.09605/153.45895 in iD the
> national park boundary is pretty obvious - especially as it currently
> has a natural=wood tag on it as well, so you can see "trees on the
> beach".  If I click on "view on openstreetmap.org" in iD it opens
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104759342 up in a new browser tab.
>
> That said, iD wouldn't be my first choice to edit something that's
> fairly complicated, and perhaps move some tags to another feature
> (mainly due to my unfamiliarity with it).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everyone!

You convinced me not to try to move the boundary!

I'm tempted to do as you suggest Warin & delete the natural=wood cover for
the whole area, then re-do it just for the actual tree coverage, which
would / should then make the other details visible.

But I still can't "see" the National Park / nature_reserve boundary to be
able to edit it?

Would that be purely an iD problem? That just doesn't sound right?

What do you people who use JOSM see when you go to edit this area - can you
see the boundary?

(I've tried to get into JOSM a couple of times, but can't even get it to
download to my laptop!)

Thanks

Graeme


On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 16:32, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The national park way 104759342 is tagged
>
> natural=wood
>
> this will probably cover any other land cover tags you add under the
> national park.
>
> Delete the tag natural=wood for the national park way - as I have done for
> various national parks and you can then add the land covers without getting
> pasted to the background.
> You will get complaints about it no longer being mapped for trees .. so
> you might want to see to that as another way or relation.
>
> It follows the OSM guide of 'one feature one OSM entry - national park on
> this way and no other features.
>
>
> On 22/04/19 14:15, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 14:11, nwastra  wrote:
>
>> Geez…and a proper link to Protected areas of Queensland dataset
>>
>> http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/search.page?q=Protected+areas+of+Queensland
>>
>
> The original link does work, just only if you click through twice.
>
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Re: [talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Warin]

The national park way 104759342 is tagged

natural=wood

this will probably cover any other land cover tags you add under the 
national park.


Delete the tag natural=wood for the national park way - as I have done 
for various national parks and you can then add the land covers without 
getting pasted to the background.
You will get complaints about it no longer being mapped for trees .. so 
you might want to see to that as another way or relation.


It follows the OSM guide of 'one feature one OSM entry - national park 
on this way and no other features.



On 22/04/19 14:15, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 14:11, nwastra > wrote:


Geez…and a proper link to Protected areas of Queensland dataset

http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/search.page?q=Protected+areas+of+Queensland


The original link does work, just only if you click through twice.


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Re: [talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Andrew Harvey]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 14:11, nwastra  wrote:

> Geez…and a proper link to Protected areas of Queensland dataset
>
> http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/search.page?q=Protected+areas+of+Queensland
>

The original link does work, just only if you click through twice.
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[talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[nwastra]

Geez…and a proper link to Protected areas of Queensland dataset 
http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/search.page?q=Protected+areas+of+Queensland
 

Nev

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 1:26 pm, nwastra  wrote:
> 
> corrected link...
> Looks like plenty of edits in the area by Scott and Fizzie …
> https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=-28.07234=153.43583=BTT
>  
> 
>  
> Nev
>  
> 
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2019, at 1:20 pm, nwastra > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graeme
>> the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park was last updated using CAPAD 
>> 2016 http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad/2016 
>>  (CAPAD 2018 
>> should be out soon)
>> and the later 2018 download of Protected areas of Queensland 
>> http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/detail.page?fid={07E360E3-A191-4C24-9671-1471362F0B1B}
>>  
>> 
>>  has the same boundary
>> 
>> The latest Protected areas of Queensland dated 14 Mar 2019 is now available 
>> and boundary is unchanged in that dataset too.
>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue 
>>  
>> 
>> Burleigh Head National Park boundary 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104759342#map=16/-28.0950/153.4516 
>>  
>> 
>> I wouldn’t adjust the gazetted boundaries to other things like the 
>> shoreline, beaches, rivers, roads, treelines, etc as the next person who 
>> updates the gazetted boundaries with later released data with need to unglue 
>> all those joins to other data before replacing the geometry.
>> 
>> I suggest using JOSM when editing boundary relations.   
>> 
>> Looks like plenty of edits in the area by Scott and Fizzie  
>> https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=-27.19668=152.96101=BTT=-nevw=1
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Nev
>> 
>>> On 22 Apr 2019, at 12:10 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you please have a look at 
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-28.09588/153.45869 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> You can see that the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park is shown as 
>>> being out in the water of Tallebudgera Creek, which may actually be the 
>>> correct boundary?, but doesn't make a lot of sense?
>>> 
>>> I was wondering about adjusting it to follow the shoreline, but when I go 
>>> into edit (iD) I can't "find" the actual Boundary on the map - it just 
>>> doesn't appear to be there?
>>> 
>>> Is it hidden in some way, or am I just not clicking on the right pixel?!
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, over the last few days, I've added detail along the riverbank 
>>> to show the beaches & rock walls, but they're also not showing? Hidden 
>>> "under" the National Park / Nature Reserve perhaps?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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[nwastra]

corrected link...
Looks like plenty of edits in the area by Scott and Fizzie …
https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=-28.07234=153.43583=BTT
 

 
Nev
 


> On 22 Apr 2019, at 1:20 pm, nwastra  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graeme
> the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park was last updated using CAPAD 2016 
> http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad/2016 
>  (CAPAD 2018 
> should be out soon)
> and the later 2018 download of Protected areas of Queensland 
> http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/detail.page?fid={07E360E3-A191-4C24-9671-1471362F0B1B}
>  
> 
>  has the same boundary
> 
> The latest Protected areas of Queensland dated 14 Mar 2019 is now available 
> and boundary is unchanged in that dataset too.
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue 
>  
> 
> Burleigh Head National Park boundary 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104759342#map=16/-28.0950/153.4516 
>  
> 
> I wouldn’t adjust the gazetted boundaries to other things like the shoreline, 
> beaches, rivers, roads, treelines, etc as the next person who updates the 
> gazetted boundaries with later released data with need to unglue all those 
> joins to other data before replacing the geometry.
> 
> I suggest using JOSM when editing boundary relations.   
> 
> Looks like plenty of edits in the area by Scott and Fizzie  
> https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=-27.19668=152.96101=BTT=-nevw=1
>  
> 
> 
> Nev
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2019, at 12:10 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Could you please have a look at 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-28.09588/153.45869 
>>   
>> 
>> You can see that the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park is shown as 
>> being out in the water of Tallebudgera Creek, which may actually be the 
>> correct boundary?, but doesn't make a lot of sense?
>> 
>> I was wondering about adjusting it to follow the shoreline, but when I go 
>> into edit (iD) I can't "find" the actual Boundary on the map - it just 
>> doesn't appear to be there?
>> 
>> Is it hidden in some way, or am I just not clicking on the right pixel?!
>> 
>> Incidentally, over the last few days, I've added detail along the riverbank 
>> to show the beaches & rock walls, but they're also not showing? Hidden 
>> "under" the National Park / Nature Reserve perhaps?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Graeme
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[talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[nwastra]

Hi Graeme
the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park was last updated using CAPAD 2016 
http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad/2016 
 (CAPAD 2018 should 
be out soon)
and the later 2018 download of Protected areas of Queensland 
http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/detail.page?fid={07E360E3-A191-4C24-9671-1471362F0B1B}
 

 has the same boundary

The latest Protected areas of Queensland dated 14 Mar 2019 is now available and 
boundary is unchanged in that dataset too.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue 
 

Burleigh Head National Park boundary 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104759342#map=16/-28.0950/153.4516 
 

I wouldn’t adjust the gazetted boundaries to other things like the shoreline, 
beaches, rivers, roads, treelines, etc as the next person who updates the 
gazetted boundaries with later released data with need to unglue all those 
joins to other data before replacing the geometry.

I suggest using JOSM when editing boundary relations.   

Looks like plenty of edits in the area by Scott and Fizzie  
https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=-27.19668=152.96101=BTT=-nevw=1
 


Nev

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 12:10 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> Could you please have a look at 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-28.09588/153.45869 
>   
> 
> You can see that the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park is shown as 
> being out in the water of Tallebudgera Creek, which may actually be the 
> correct boundary?, but doesn't make a lot of sense?
> 
> I was wondering about adjusting it to follow the shoreline, but when I go 
> into edit (iD) I can't "find" the actual Boundary on the map - it just 
> doesn't appear to be there?
> 
> Is it hidden in some way, or am I just not clicking on the right pixel?!
> 
> Incidentally, over the last few days, I've added detail along the riverbank 
> to show the beaches & rock walls, but they're also not showing? Hidden 
> "under" the National Park / Nature Reserve perhaps?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graeme
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[talk-au] "Hidden" National Park boundary

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Could you please have a look at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-28.09588/153.45869

You can see that the boundary of Burleigh Head National Park is shown as
being out in the water of Tallebudgera Creek, which may actually be the
correct boundary?, but doesn't make a lot of sense?

I was wondering about adjusting it to follow the shoreline, but when I go
into edit (iD) I can't "find" the actual Boundary on the map - it just
doesn't appear to be there?

Is it hidden in some way, or am I just not clicking on the right pixel?!

Incidentally, over the last few days, I've added detail along the riverbank
to show the beaches & rock walls, but they're also not showing? Hidden
"under" the National Park / Nature Reserve perhaps?

Thanks

Graeme
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