[talk-au] Bing imagery around Burnie, Tas
Just noticed this mentioned in the weekly News. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdhurkett/diary/398063 Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing alignment in Sydney
I can confirm this seems to be the case. I'm looking at some street number data I just collected and I'm seeing the same phenomenon - the number points are 2-3 m NW of where I know I was standing on the sidewalk (and its consistent, so not GPS inaccuracy). On Tue 03 Sep 2013 15:39:39 EST, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi, I've noticed that since (at least) June, Bing imagery appears to have shifted, across vast swathes of Sydney by about 2-3m to the north west. You can see the effect clearly where I mapped quite precisely from bing imagery as recently as june. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.71454/150.90355 My feeling is that it is now less accurate - that's mainly from comparing with gps traces and nearmap mapped stuff from before the licence change. Anyone else noticed the effect? Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing alignment in Sydney
Hi, I've noticed that since (at least) June, Bing imagery appears to have shifted, across vast swathes of Sydney by about 2-3m to the north west. You can see the effect clearly where I mapped quite precisely from bing imagery as recently as june. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.71454/150.90355 My feeling is that it is now less accurate - that's mainly from comparing with gps traces and nearmap mapped stuff from before the licence change. Anyone else noticed the effect? Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing alignment accross tiles
Hi I have been gradually mapping an area that I had planned a bushwalk in. On Thursday to Saturday this week had a chance to walk the area using OSM maps on a Garmin 62S. The results were very impressive and it was a nice feeling walking between a lake and a pond that I had traced in. Also took a few marker to align the Bing photographs. Now that is where the fun starts. Bing on Polatch 2 seems to assume that it is all one big sheet to move around but in real life some Bing is very well aligned in some places and other not so much. Due to difference in photos I can pick a boundary between two photographic tiles. A lake spans both so if I align the lake to one it is wrong on the other. I cut the lake in half and positioned each half correctly and then rejoined the lake. Is this the correct approach? Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing
It is my understanding that Bing essentially said to OSM yes you can upload to OSM. We as a community can't verify this. http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html mentions nothing, all we have is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bing_license.pdf which we can't verify as authentic. But even if it is and can be proved to be authentic, unless Microsoft also state that OSM has permission to license traced data it out to others as CC-BY-SA, simply saying yes you can trace and upload to OSM isn't enough in my opinion. As this would be a license specific to OSM, and wouldn't allow others who use OSM data to use the bing data. That is, if OSM were as rigorous as Debian we wouldn't allow this as it is in violation of point 8 of the DFSG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines I would love to have these issues proved unfounded, but until then, I don't use bing at all, and am hoping the areas of OSM I'm interested in don't become too polluted by bing data. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing
On 11 July 2011 19:55, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: It is my understanding that Bing essentially said to OSM yes you can upload to OSM. All we have is SteveC's word that this is what happened, to the best of my knowledge Bing themselves near released anything definitive on their own website. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing
Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if OSM were as rigorous as Debian we wouldn't allow this as it is in violation of point 8 of the DFSG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines I'm glad somebody has mentioned Debian. You want to see information freedom done right, a functioning do-ocracy and most importantly a transparent, democratic decision-making process, you don't need to look any further than Debian. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing
On 7/11/2011 6:13 AM, Sam Couter wrote: Andrew Harveyandrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if OSM were as rigorous as Debian we wouldn't allow this as it is in violation of point 8 of the DFSG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines I'm glad somebody has mentioned Debian. You want to see information freedom done right, a functioning do-ocracy and most importantly a transparent, democratic decision-making process, you don't need to look any further than Debian. Debian's extremely open and democratic as you say. The problem is for years it went nowhere and the Shuttleworth went on his Antarctic cruise, figured out who was actually doing anything and created Ubuntu. Slightly less democratic but vastly better at shipping an OS anyone would want to use. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing alignment RE: Canberra Mapping - out of date
Probably good to note this on the wiki when Bing is out. E.g. Tamworth is quite good, but Singleton is a bit out. Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, 6 May 2011 17:47 To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Cc: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com; OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping - out of date On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 May 2011 10:47, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: This could almost be considered vandalism, what you are doing to the quality of the map data available for Canberra. Please dont touch any of my 'out-of-date' edits from the past 6 months to realign them with 10 year old aerial imagery. You mentioned previously that Bing was out of alinement by up to 100m, if this is the case it is a clear case of vandalism since he should be at the vest least realigning Bing imagery to GPS traces. Interesting - I wonder if that is the cause of some of the strangeness I see in Port Macquarie cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing alignment RE: Canberra Mapping - out of date
Bing is misaligned period as it says on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing#Precision When you are tracing from bing you need to check the alignment everytime and whenever you change zoom level. This is best done with alignment to multiple gps traces if available or ways tagged as source=survey or ways tagged as source=nearmap. Cheers Ross On 09/05/11 11:03, Ben Kelley wrote: Probably good to note this on the wiki when Bing is out. E.g. Tamworth is quite good, but Singleton is a bit out. Sent from my HTC ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing
I would caution against any use of Bing and any relationship with Microsoft. Microsoft has a long history of shafting its partners, and of using devious means to acquire rights and control over other peoples IP. IBM was almost destroyed through its collaboration with M$ over OS/2. Sybase gave away what was one of the best RDBMSs around at the time, so M$ could have SQLServer. Where is Sybase now? If you get into bed with Microsoft you will catch a pox. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Ian Callahan igcalla...@gmail.com wrote: I would caution against any use of Bing and any relationship with Microsoft. Microsoft has a long history of shafting its partners, and of using devious means to acquire rights and control over other peoples IP. IBM was almost destroyed through its collaboration with M$ over OS/2. Sybase gave away what was one of the best RDBMSs around at the time, so M$ could have SQLServer. Where is Sybase now? If you get into bed with Microsoft you will catch a pox. I agree on that. I dont trust them at all. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bing maps now has OSM layer...
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:42 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Just noticed a diary entry[1] pointing out that MS now uses a OSM layer on their Bing Map site[2] [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Paul%20Johnson/diary/11407 [2] http://www.bing.com/community/blogs/maps/archive/2010/08/02/bing-maps-adds-open-street-maps-layer.aspx I'd love to know about the legal advice given by the MS lawyers on staff about cc-by-sa... Some folks from Microsoft participated in a couple of License Working Group telephone calls earlier this year. They had some specific questions about using OpenStreetMap and the licenses. You can find their questions on the wiki under the community guidelines under trivial transformations, metadata layers and indexing. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Community_Guidelines I'd like to see more feedback and participation from the community on all of the community guidelines. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Bing maps now has OSM layer...
Just noticed a diary entry[1] pointing out that MS now uses a OSM layer on their Bing Map site[2] [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Paul%20Johnson/diary/11407 [2] http://www.bing.com/community/blogs/maps/archive/2010/08/02/bing-maps-adds-open-street-maps-layer.aspx I'd love to know about the legal advice given by the MS lawyers on staff about cc-by-sa... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
