Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Michael Collinson]

On 2022-04-18 10:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 03:23, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

OpenStreetMap merch could be a good thing to fund yeah. Would
business cards be helpful for people? Personally I have never had
much trouble, although contributing to Mapillary has prompted the
odd question here or there.

From practical experience, no. I certainly thought business cards were 
a great idea and had them when more active as OSMF board member and 
working group member, carried them assiduously ... and probably gave 
away about 3 outside SOTM and only one in a field mapping situation.  
Stickers with the OSM website printed would probably substitute - it 
backs up your story and gives folks something to look up if they are 
inclined.


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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 03:23, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> OpenStreetMap merch could be a good thing to fund yeah. Would business
> cards be helpful for people? Personally I have never had much trouble,
> although contributing to Mapillary has prompted the odd question here or
> there.
>

Haven't had a problem as such, but once, when standing in a small shopping
centre, taking photos of the shops on the other side of the car park, I did
have a girl come out to ask what I was doing? Apparently because I had a
clipboard in my hand, she thought I was booking her car! :-) Explained that
I was only working on updating local maps & she was happy.

Have felt a bit funny on occasion when doing a street survey, once again,
walking along with a clipboard, looking at & making notes about the
buildings I was passing, & sometimes taking photos of them. It must look
(more than!) a bit sus to anybody watching, although nobody has ever said
anything to me.

As I said way back when we started the conversation, at those times,
something "official" to show people that says we're legit would be nice to
have.

Maybe we could set up a store with useful swag/equipment that would be
> subsidised by OSGeo Oceania. The minimal fees would cover shipping and stop
> random people ordering things.
>

Or possibly you get free shipping if you've made more than xxx edits?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Edoardo Neerhut]

OpenStreetMap merch could be a good thing to fund yeah. Would business
cards be helpful for people? Personally I have never had much trouble,
although contributing to Mapillary has prompted the odd question here or
there.

Maybe we could set up a store with useful swag/equipment that would be
subsidised by OSGeo Oceania. The minimal fees would cover shipping and stop
random people ordering things.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, 23:36 Graeme Fitzpatrick, 
wrote:

> Yep, & I was one of them, sorry :-(
>
> In the News last week:
> https://www-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/user/LySioS/diary/398913?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=EN&_x_tr_hl=en-G
>
> & the version in English is here:
> https://wiki-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/wiki/Business_card?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=EN&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
>
> It would be nice if we had a central e-mail address for "OSM Australia"
> that any subsequent enquiries could go to?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 12:20, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> When this was raised last year we had some wonderful suggestions on how
>> OSM funds could be used, but we lacked people willing to implement them.
>>
>> I wanted to bump this thread and see if anyone is willing to put their
>> hand up to arrange OSM badges, business cards, drones, cameras, events, or
>> any other ideas that would help people wanting to contribute to OSM in
>> Australia. OSGeo Oceania has funding available that is just sitting there,
>> so we'd love to put it to use.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 19:08, stevea  wrote:
>>
>>> The high-viz (ORANGE!) vest?  Been there, done that, those are visually
>>> loud and itchy, uncomfortable vinyl.  I would prefer something like a
>>> lanyard-badge/card with real OSM logos (could be Australian chapter, for me
>>> it'd be OSM-US) and I'd even put my photo on that (and I'm really sensitive
>>> to getting my photo put on a badge, like I won't do it for my Costco
>>> membership; I say it is against my religion because it is against my
>>> personal beliefs to do that).  But I wouldn't be sharing this "OSM Badge"
>>> with anybody besides a person I showed it to ("carry a clipboard and act
>>> important") and struck up a chat with about OSM and smiled as I answered
>>> all questions to the best of my ability.  "Business cards" are also a great
>>> idea, put the website on 'em and we might have just earned a new volunteer
>>> after they check us out.
>>>
>>> Yeah, fitting into those paradigms of "ambassador, have I answered all
>>> of your questions..." and badges and business cards, maybe even a sort of
>>> vCard between smartphones, yeah, any or all of those seem like they gain
>>> traction and respect for our project.  Community building happens on all
>>> sorts of levels, these are good ones.
>>>
>>> There are all sorts of sites that let you upload some graphics and a
>>> photo-per-badge and they'll pump 'em out for maybe AUD5 each in quantity 20
>>> or so.  Decent templates and design tools are built right into the website
>>> and are what I'd call (having used them) "not bad."  Good luck, sounds like
>>> a sweet spot.
>>>
>>> SteveA
>>> California, USA
>>>
>>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Jonathon Rossi 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > @Graeme, I don't have the time or really the skills to design one, but
>>> am happy to provide feedback. Another organisation I volunteer with here in
>>> QLD has a plastic credit card sized ID exactly as I described above,
>>> portrait orientation with a slot at the top. I recall it was shipped
>>> directly to me from a Gold Coast company that prints them, no idea the cost.
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Yep, & I was one of them, sorry :-(

In the News last week:
https://www-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/user/LySioS/diary/398913?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=EN&_x_tr_hl=en-G

& the version in English is here:
https://wiki-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/wiki/Business_card?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=EN&_x_tr_hl=en-GB

It would be nice if we had a central e-mail address for "OSM Australia"
that any subsequent enquiries could go to?

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 12:20, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> When this was raised last year we had some wonderful suggestions on how
> OSM funds could be used, but we lacked people willing to implement them.
>
> I wanted to bump this thread and see if anyone is willing to put their
> hand up to arrange OSM badges, business cards, drones, cameras, events, or
> any other ideas that would help people wanting to contribute to OSM in
> Australia. OSGeo Oceania has funding available that is just sitting there,
> so we'd love to put it to use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ed
>
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 19:08, stevea  wrote:
>
>> The high-viz (ORANGE!) vest?  Been there, done that, those are visually
>> loud and itchy, uncomfortable vinyl.  I would prefer something like a
>> lanyard-badge/card with real OSM logos (could be Australian chapter, for me
>> it'd be OSM-US) and I'd even put my photo on that (and I'm really sensitive
>> to getting my photo put on a badge, like I won't do it for my Costco
>> membership; I say it is against my religion because it is against my
>> personal beliefs to do that).  But I wouldn't be sharing this "OSM Badge"
>> with anybody besides a person I showed it to ("carry a clipboard and act
>> important") and struck up a chat with about OSM and smiled as I answered
>> all questions to the best of my ability.  "Business cards" are also a great
>> idea, put the website on 'em and we might have just earned a new volunteer
>> after they check us out.
>>
>> Yeah, fitting into those paradigms of "ambassador, have I answered all of
>> your questions..." and badges and business cards, maybe even a sort of
>> vCard between smartphones, yeah, any or all of those seem like they gain
>> traction and respect for our project.  Community building happens on all
>> sorts of levels, these are good ones.
>>
>> There are all sorts of sites that let you upload some graphics and a
>> photo-per-badge and they'll pump 'em out for maybe AUD5 each in quantity 20
>> or so.  Decent templates and design tools are built right into the website
>> and are what I'd call (having used them) "not bad."  Good luck, sounds like
>> a sweet spot.
>>
>> SteveA
>> California, USA
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Jonathon Rossi  wrote:
>> >
>> > @Graeme, I don't have the time or really the skills to design one, but
>> am happy to provide feedback. Another organisation I volunteer with here in
>> QLD has a plastic credit card sized ID exactly as I described above,
>> portrait orientation with a slot at the top. I recall it was shipped
>> directly to me from a Gold Coast company that prints them, no idea the cost.
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Hi all,

When this was raised last year we had some wonderful suggestions on how
OSM funds could be used, but we lacked people willing to implement them.

I wanted to bump this thread and see if anyone is willing to put their hand
up to arrange OSM badges, business cards, drones, cameras, events, or any
other ideas that would help people wanting to contribute to OSM in
Australia. OSGeo Oceania has funding available that is just sitting there,
so we'd love to put it to use.

Cheers,

Ed

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 19:08, stevea  wrote:

> The high-viz (ORANGE!) vest?  Been there, done that, those are visually
> loud and itchy, uncomfortable vinyl.  I would prefer something like a
> lanyard-badge/card with real OSM logos (could be Australian chapter, for me
> it'd be OSM-US) and I'd even put my photo on that (and I'm really sensitive
> to getting my photo put on a badge, like I won't do it for my Costco
> membership; I say it is against my religion because it is against my
> personal beliefs to do that).  But I wouldn't be sharing this "OSM Badge"
> with anybody besides a person I showed it to ("carry a clipboard and act
> important") and struck up a chat with about OSM and smiled as I answered
> all questions to the best of my ability.  "Business cards" are also a great
> idea, put the website on 'em and we might have just earned a new volunteer
> after they check us out.
>
> Yeah, fitting into those paradigms of "ambassador, have I answered all of
> your questions..." and badges and business cards, maybe even a sort of
> vCard between smartphones, yeah, any or all of those seem like they gain
> traction and respect for our project.  Community building happens on all
> sorts of levels, these are good ones.
>
> There are all sorts of sites that let you upload some graphics and a
> photo-per-badge and they'll pump 'em out for maybe AUD5 each in quantity 20
> or so.  Decent templates and design tools are built right into the website
> and are what I'd call (having used them) "not bad."  Good luck, sounds like
> a sweet spot.
>
> SteveA
> California, USA
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Jonathon Rossi  wrote:
> >
> > @Graeme, I don't have the time or really the skills to design one, but
> am happy to provide feedback. Another organisation I volunteer with here in
> QLD has a plastic credit card sized ID exactly as I described above,
> portrait orientation with a slot at the top. I recall it was shipped
> directly to me from a Gold Coast company that prints them, no idea the cost.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 14:35, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

>  The iD of some sort along with flyers is a good idea though. If OSGeo
> Oceania was willing to place an initial order of 50 or so, do you think
> you'd be able to help design them @graeme?
>

We're away for the next week, but will have a think about them.

Of course, if, in the meantime, somebody else wants to jump in & work it
out, feel free! :-)

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Hi all,

Thrilled at the enthusiastic response to this and the range of suggestions.
A bit of homework for us at the OSM Special Interest Group (OSM SIG) is to
get a proper application form together shaped by your suggestions.
I'll discuss this with OSGeo Oceania's SIG which all are welcome to join.
Andrew Harvey is currently co-chair, but we're looking for another co-chair
for him.

To address some of the points raised:

   - @Violaine  excellent idea. Definitely in scope.
   - @fors...@ozonline.com.au  I love the idea of
   the signs giving the story behind the tree planting more permanence. If
   Parks Vic approves, I would imagine the OSM SIG would approve such use of
   funds. Let us know if something concrete comes up around
   venue hire/internet. This is also within scope and we could discuss ASAP to
   get you what you need.
   - @Mateusz Good question and one we have not discussed in detail. My own
   opinion is that there should be some Oceania connection, as that is the
   mandate of our organisation. This could be a tool developed directly in
   Oceania that has global reach, or a tool developed globally that has clear
   benefit to end users in Oceania.
   - @brenbar...@gmail.com  every one of these is
   worthy. For many of these we need someone to volunteer to maintain the
   program. A camera grant program for Oceania would be wonderful, but we need
   some volunteers to help put it together. Here is an example from the UK
   . Warin raises a
   good point though. I actually ran a camera grant program for a day job
   (Mapillary) and the lesson learned over time is that to be successful the
   cameras really need to be a permanent grant rather than a loan. It becomes
   too expensive and time consuming to ship cameras across the world, or even
   Oceania. The dynamics could be different for a rental program, but then
   someone needs to be willing to manage it.
   - I like the UK's high-vis vests
    idea, but
   I don't think I'd wear one myself. The iD of some sort along with flyers is
   a good idea though. If OSGeo Oceania was willing to place an initial order
   of 50 or so, do you think you'd be able to help design them @graeme?

I'm very keen to see how many of these brilliant ideas can be turned into
concrete actions. To be perfectly honest, the main barrier here is having
someone willing to put in the time to drive each initiative. Money is less
of a concern and the whole point of OSGeo Oceania and our OSM group is to
support initiatives like this.

The OSM SIG will follow up with a concrete platform to submit ideas, but
feel free to keep them coming here in the meantime.

Happy mapping,

Ed




On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 at 21:08, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> I've also had conversations like that, and have rarely managed to convince
> people that I'm not peculiar. I remember one bloke found it more believable
> that I was collecting photos of power poles than that I was contributing to
> a map!
>
> OSM UK has high-viz surveyor vests
> , or
> rather instructions for how to get a work-wear company to make such a thing
> on order. I wonder if we could do something similar here?
>
> But yeah, I agree that a 'official' OSM Oceania leaflet or lanyard or
> something would be great. I mean, I realise I could just print such a
> thing, but there's something better about it having some sort of community
> standing.
>
> —Sam.
>
>
> On 13/7/21 11:33 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Bit of an out-there idea that I've had a couple of times.
>
> Occasionally, when doing an on-street survey in populated areas, I've
> thought that the sight of some random stranger walking the street making
> notes about the buildings that he's passing & checking out must look a bit
> suspicious! :-)
>
> Once, when I was writing down shop names in a shopping centre, I've even
> been asked what I was doing, & explained that I was gathering details to
> improve local maps.
>
> It would be "nice" if we could walk around with a photo ID, emblazoned OSM
> Oceania (or maybe Australia / NZ / Fiji etc etc?) dangling around our
> necks, as it would look a lot more "professional" & "official".
>
> At the same time, also have some brochures produced explaining what OSM is
> about, what we do & how everybody can contribute, & pass them out to
> anybody interested.
>
> Worthwhile?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 13:03, Brendan Barnes  wrote:
>
>> Suggestions:
>>
>> Loanable equipment such as high-precision handheld GPS units for GPS
>> traces, and Waylens or 360 degree cameras for KartaView image sequences.
>> Similar to the equipment loan program in Europe
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Units_for_Loan
>>
>> Hardware for a loanable KartaView rig project, such as a "trekking-style"
>> backpack for OSM hikers, or a HD multi-camera, 

Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Sam Wilson]

I've also had conversations like that, and have rarely managed to 
convince people that I'm not peculiar. I remember one bloke found it 
more believable that I was collecting photos of power poles than that I 
was contributing to a map!


OSM UK has high-viz surveyor vests 
, or 
rather instructions for how to get a work-wear company to make such a 
thing on order. I wonder if we could do something similar here?


But yeah, I agree that a 'official' OSM Oceania leaflet or lanyard or 
something would be great. I mean, I realise I could just print such a 
thing, but there's something better about it having some sort of 
community standing.


—Sam.


On 13/7/21 11:33 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Bit of an out-there idea that I've had a couple of times.

Occasionally, when doing an on-street survey in populated areas, I've 
thought that the sight of some random stranger walking the street 
making notes about the buildings that he's passing & checking out must 
look a bit suspicious! :-)


Once, when I was writing down shop names in a shopping centre, I've 
even been asked what I was doing, & explained that I was gathering 
details to improve local maps.


It would be "nice" if we could walk around with a photo ID, emblazoned 
OSM Oceania (or maybe Australia / NZ / Fiji etc etc?) dangling around 
our necks, as it would look a lot more "professional" & "official".


At the same time, also have some brochures produced explaining what 
OSM is about, what we do & how everybody can contribute, & pass them 
out to anybody interested.


Worthwhile?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 13:03, Brendan Barnes > wrote:


Suggestions:

Loanable equipment such as high-precision handheld GPS units for
GPS traces, and Waylens or 360 degree cameras for KartaView image
sequences. Similar to the equipment loan program in Europe
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Units_for_Loan


Hardware for a loanable KartaView rig project, such as a
"trekking-style" backpack for OSM hikers, or a HD multi-camera,
high-precision GPS car rig.

Funding to help secure more OSM hardware hosting sponsors in the
region. Currently we only have two Tile Servers, and they are both
located in Melbourne, Australia.

Drone mapping infrastructure, such as a community Open Drone Map
cloud server, to process orthorectified aerial imagery.


On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:32, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:


9 Jul 2021, 03:06 by eneer...@gmail.com
:

  * Funding for OSM related software development

What about projects that are not
targeting specifically Oceania needs but
as useful elsewhere?

Is it going to be lower priority, with
Oceania-focused project having a clear
preference?

Or is it not useful to even propose them?
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