Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
On 13/2/22 14:18, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded objects with many of his changesets. I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, When I make a change I delete the source tag when I'm using a different source. The new source can be seen on the changeset. The past source/s can be seen using the history. If there are no changes then there should be no change to any of the existing tags - source or otherwise. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Thanks Phil, speaking for myself, I am very happy for you to take the lead. The reason I suggest writing aaronsta a letter is that the DWG would prefer us to exhaust all avenues of engagement before calling them in. I don't think we (the OSM community) have been particularly good at telling him how he has been going. We tell him that he is a "Great Mapper (Regularly Active)" And that he is #14 in Australia. Hdyc Any criticism he ignores as a few disgruntled people, he gets no feedback from the community as a whole. I have contacted Pascal Neis about hdyc. I think he rejigged hdyc a few months ago to an emphasis on quality not quantity, maybe it could go further. Tony I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns. Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should be reverted. -Original Message- From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 2:19 PM To: 'OSM-Au' Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded objects with many of his changesets. I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former). This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion). -Original Message- From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37 To: Graeme Fitzpatrick Cc: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Graeme Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and consultation is badly out. The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for consultation without alienating him. Tony On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list ââ¬â does anyone know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! Thanks Graeme _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 14:08, Phil Wyatt wrote: > I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns. I'd hoped somebody may have read this thread by now? > Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for > reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should be reverted. > Personally, I think the entire wiki change should be reverted until it's discussed point by point / state by state. & I'd also think that he probably deserves another holiday for doing this sort of thing yet again :-( Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns. Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should be reverted. -Original Message- From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 2:19 PM To: 'OSM-Au' Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded objects with many of his changesets. I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former). This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion). -Original Message- From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37 To: Graeme Fitzpatrick Cc: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Graeme Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and consultation is badly out. The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for consultation without alienating him. Tony > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: > >> >> The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that >> aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone >> know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... >> > > Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but > the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes > to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! > > I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that > cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! > > Thanks > > Graeme > > _ > This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see > http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Hi I'm riding my bike in country Vic and can't do it but Can someone please write him a polite letter outlining our concerns and requesting that he agree to a revert and undertake to provide adequate changeset descriptions and to reply to comments and consult before large edits. If we do not get a response then an option would be to refer to the DWG Tony There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded objects with many of his changesets. I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former). This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion). -Original Message- From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37 To: Graeme Fitzpatrick Cc: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Graeme Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and consultation is badly out. The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for consultation without alienating him. Tony On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list ââ¬â does anyone know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! Thanks Graeme _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded objects with many of his changesets. I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former). This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion). -Original Message- From: fors...@ozonline.com.au Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37 To: Graeme Fitzpatrick Cc: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Graeme Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and consultation is badly out. The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for consultation without alienating him. Tony > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: > >> >> The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that >> aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone >> know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... >> > > Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but > the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes > to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! > > I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that > cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! > > Thanks > > Graeme > > _ > This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see > http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Graeme Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and consultation is badly out. The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for consultation without alienating him. Tony On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list â does anyone know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! Thanks Graeme _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: > > The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta > is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might > leave a comment on the changeset instead... > Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines! I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong! Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
I think it depends on when you last updated OsmAnd! It sounds like perhaps you're not seeing the routes that have been deleted, because they're for the most part not the river or freeway ones, but rather a somewhat regularly-spaced network throughout the suburbs. The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead... On 13/2/22 03:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the highlights are the same thing as being discussed here. Tony I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth â i.e. there are some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not really the case. âSam On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000 From: To: Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. I am from Perth, and am a cyclist. I agree with aaronsta that these routes are pretty useless. I have often looked at the signage and wondered about OSM & the usefulness of the routes. I might not have gone to the extent of deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Sorry, The 2 examples I mentioned, river side and on ramps were not deleted. Tony Hi I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the highlights are the same thing as being discussed here. Tony I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth â i.e. there are some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not really the case. âÂÂSam On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000 From: To: Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. I am from Perth, and am a cyclist. I agree with aaronsta that these routes are pretty useless. I have often looked at the signage and wondered about OSM & the usefulness of the routes. I might not have gone to the extent of deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Hi I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the highlights are the same thing as being discussed here. Tony I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth â i.e. there are some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not really the case. âSam On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000 From: To: Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. I am from Perth, and am a cyclist. I agree with aaronsta that these routes are pretty useless. I have often looked at the signage and wondered about OSM & the usefulness of the routes. I might not have gone to the extent of deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
I went for a cycle along SW8 this afternoon, and I now think that at least that route (and the others if they're similar) should be kept in OSM. It's not signposted wonderfully, and there are a few places where following the signs wasn't possible, but there were definitely quite a lot of signs — including some new ones that have been put up since recent roadworks in various places. The state Department of Transport still publish the bike maps <https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/active-transport/at_CYC_map_PerthFremantle-Stirling.pdf> (although I can't find an index to them on their site; they're discoverable with a search <https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/public/SearchTransport.asp?=bike%20map=0> though). Here are some examples of the signs (I took a few more photos <https://samwilson.id.au/T2006> too): Image of the file attached to this post. Image of the file attached to this post. On 11/2/22 16:16, Sam Wilson wrote: I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not really the case. —Sam On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000 From: To: Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. I am from Perth, and am a cyclist. I agree with aaronsta that these routes are pretty useless. I have often looked at the signage and wondered about OSM & the usefulness of the routes. I might not have gone to the extent of deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
On OSM's USA Bicycle Networks wiki [1], the introductory section posits a nice section on "What to map." (In the realm of bicycle routes / networks in the USA). We distinguish between "infrastructure tagging" and "route tagging." We talk about mapping SIGNED routes (and planned routes that are distinctly GOING TO BE signed) and how we DON'T tag as a route "what is simply what somebody considers 'a good ride,' as those can be subjective or ephemeral." Of course, this section has been "hammered out" by numerous OSM Contributors and wiki writers (and some talk-us chatter, if I recall correctly), so it is a form of "consensus in wiki." You are welcome to use it as a starting point or modify it to how you map down under. Check it out and feel free to liberally borrow (i.e. copy it word-for-word if you like). In short, "it works for us." [1] https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Bicycle_Networks ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not really the case. —Sam On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000 From: To: Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. I am from Perth, and am a cyclist. I agree with aaronsta that these routes are pretty useless. I have often looked at the signage and wondered about OSM & the usefulness of the routes. I might not have gone to the extent of deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
I'm a Perth cyclist and I occasionally use www.opencyclemap.org when I'm planning a ride through an unfamiliar area. I think the bicycle routes in question are what's shown there but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway I've found them pretty useful on occasion. I also occasionally use the signage to find better cycling routes. It's not perfect but it's often a useful way to get yourself off a busy road. Anyway I'm not totally convinced one way or the other regarding the removal, but just wanted to offer the perspective of a (very) occasional user of that data. A mass deletion seems a bit heavy handed to me. Cheers John On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:01, Luke Stewart wrote: > With their reasons for deletion: > > "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any > dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across > Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows, > however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes. > > "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the > responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has > been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely > maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage > is also not always maintained properly in my experience. > > "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these > routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the > route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road > cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself > following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change > the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to > cater for these routes. > > "The routes are circuitous" - see above > > "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the > OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then > routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think > that outright deletion is warranted > > Cheers, > Luke > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14, wrote: > >> Well, he has answered a changeset comment: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 >> >> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply >> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the >> ground, and what to do about it. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Collinson >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 >> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 >> >> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. >> >> >> On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: >> > >> > Probably >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta >> > >> > Who is Aaronsta? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? >> >> >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G >> >> uidelines >> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ >> >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> >> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet >> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick >> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 >> >> To: OSM-Au >> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki >> >> > >> <mailto:w...@noreply.opens
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
With their reasons for deletion: "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows, however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes. "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage is also not always maintained properly in my experience. "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to cater for these routes. "The routes are circuitous" - see above "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think that outright deletion is warranted Cheers, Luke On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14, wrote: > Well, he has answered a changeset comment: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 > > I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply > delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the > ground, and what to do about it. > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Collinson > Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging > Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta > > Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 > > Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. > > > On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > > > Probably > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta > > > > Who is Aaronsta? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? > >> > >> > >> > >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? > >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G > >> uidelines > >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ > >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> > >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet > >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Thorsten > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick > >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 > >> To: OSM-Au > >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging > >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki > >> >> <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been > >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for > >> the current revision. > >> > >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes > >> > >> > >> > >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about > >> these changes? > >> > >> > >> > >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: > >> > >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." > >> > >> > >> > >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? > >> > >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle > >> > >> > >> Riding on a footpath or shared path > >> > >> > >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. > >> > >> You must: > >> > >> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians > >> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. > >> > >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> Graeme > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Well, he has answered a changeset comment: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873 I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and what to do about it. -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > Probably >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta > > Who is Aaronsta? > > > > > > >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? >> >> >> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G >> uidelines >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 >> To: OSM-Au >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki >> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: >> >> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for >> the current revision. >> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes >> >> >> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about >> these changes? >> >> >> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: >> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." >> >> >> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? >> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle >> >> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path >> >> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. >> >> You must: >> >> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians >> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. >> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
In regards to the wiki edits, it seems that the tagging for shared and similar paths have been changed by this user without any community discussion. I was of the view that this page was meant to reflect a consensus, in which case these changes should be reverted and discussed. (I was working on a detailed page to collect tagging for these kinds of features with the hope of eventually presenting it for feedback & community discussion, before incorporating it into the ATG, thus I may have to continue work on this) Cheers, Luke On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:07, wrote: > Hi > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?aaronsta is interesting reading. This user > has had29% of their edits reverted and 2 blocks but is still the 14th > highest contributor in Australia. Members of this talk-au , we'll k > nown ones, have had multiple discussions with the user but it seems > like nobody has joined the dots. > > A similar situation happened recently with another user. Many of the > regular contributors to this list had crossed paths with him but it > seemed none realised the scale of his edits. > > Would it be possible to have training or sandards of communication and > consultation that high volume users need to reach? > > Maybe it would be good to not display the ranking of users at hdyc > > Tony > > > Also seems to be zealously removing source tags: > > https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Collinson > > Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 > > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging > > Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta > > > > Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: > > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 > > > > Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. > > > > > > On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > >> > >> Probably > >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta > >> > >> Who is Aaronsta? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? > >>> > >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G > >>> uidelines > >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ > >>> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> > >>> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet > >>> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Thorsten > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick > >>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 > >>> To: OSM-Au > >>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging > >>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki > >>> >>> <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been > >>> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see > >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for > >>> the current revision. > >>> > >>> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about > >>> these changes? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: > >>> > >>> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? > >>> > >>> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle > >>> > >>> > >>> Riding on a footpath or shared path > >>> > >&g
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Seems that's not the first time they've done that: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2016-June/010953.html -Original Message- From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 18:06 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Also seems to be zealously removing source tags: https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529 -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > Probably >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta > > Who is Aaronsta? > > > > > > >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? >> >> >> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G >> uidelines >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 >> To: OSM-Au >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki >> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: >> >> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for >> the current revision. >> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes >> >> >> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about >> these changes? >> >> >> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: >> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." >> >> >> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? >> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle >> >> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path >> >> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. >> >> You must: >> >> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians >> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. >> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Also seems to be zealously removing source tags: https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529 -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > Probably >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta > > Who is Aaronsta? > > > > > > >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? >> >> >> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G >> uidelines >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_ >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 >> To: OSM-Au >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki >> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: >> >> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for >> the current revision. >> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes >> >> >> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about >> these changes? >> >> >> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: >> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." >> >> >> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? >> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle >> >> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path >> >> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. >> >> You must: >> >> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians >> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. >> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Graeme >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Mmm, given the amount of bike edits they may be another wandrer.Earth user trying to game the system https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116654835#map=12/-31.9131/115.8548 From: Phil Wyatt Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 6:23 PM To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au; 'OSM-Au' Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta/history#map=3/-17.14/139.83 … would be my best guess, Certainly a few strange changeset comments there. Cheers - Phil From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au <mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> > Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 5:11 PM To: 'OSM-Au' mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some questions. Who is Aaronsta? Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) Cheers, Thorsten From: Graeme Fitzpatrick < <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com> graemefi...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 To: OSM-Au < <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for the current revision. Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: * keep left and give way to all pedestrians * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Probably https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta Who is Aaronsta? Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) Cheers, Thorsten From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 To: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for the current revision. Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: * keep left and give way to all pedestrians * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-auBEGIN:VCARD VERSION:4.0 EMAIL;PREF=1:m...@ayeltd.biz EMAIL:mike.collin...@ticketebo.com.au FN:Michael Collinson N:Collinson;Michael;;; TEL;TYPE=work;VALUE=TEXT:+61 491 086 207 TEL;TYPE=cell;VALUE=TEXT:+46 73 581 22 19 X-MOZILLA-HTML;VALUE=BOOLEAN:TRUE UID:fd70790f-e54a-1b4d-a9e3-7ea6b0059431 END:VCARD ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta/history#map=3/-17.14/139.83 … would be my best guess, Certainly a few strange changeset comments there. Cheers - Phil From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 5:11 PM To: 'OSM-Au' Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some questions. Who is Aaronsta? Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) Cheers, Thorsten From: Graeme Fitzpatrick < <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com> graemefi...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 To: OSM-Au < <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for the current revision. Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: * keep left and give way to all pedestrians * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Probably https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta Who is Aaronsta? Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, thatâs from someone else) Cheers, Thorsten From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 To: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for the current revision. Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: * keep left and give way to all pedestrians * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some questions. Who is Aaronsta? Is it anyone participating in this mailing list? Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else) Cheers, Thorsten From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41 To: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote: The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for the current revision. Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: * keep left and give way to all pedestrians * always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki < w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been > changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for > the current revision. > > Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes? One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include: "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." Would you like to share this with Qld Transport? https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle Riding on a footpath or shared path On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians. You must: - keep left and give way to all pedestrians - always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you. Looks like we may need a major reversion done here? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
