Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree that in the original email thread at https://wiki.openstreetmap.
org/wiki/Attribution/Department_of_the_Environment_
and_Energy_CAPAD#Follow-up_Email they didn't grant the permission that the
method of attribution we propose is acceptable, which based on my
understanding is required on top of the CC BY license for the data to be
used in OSM.

So thank you Andrew Davidson for following up about this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/
Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy_CAPAD#Follow-up_Email

As a side note the LWG (License Working Group) are working towards
clarifying the compatibility of CC BY 4.0 as noted at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2016-December/008558.html

On 11 February 2017 at 12:10, Adam Horan  wrote:

> I've had a look at CAPAD, and the statement from the department merely
> seems to be a restatement that it's CC-BY:
>
> *"OpenStreetMap can use CAPAD 2014 under the CC-BY licence conditions
> without any extra permissions from the department or from the contributing
> agencies."*
>
> To my reading this is just a way of saying that you can use it in any way
> compatible with CC-BY. However I didn't think CC-BY on it's own was
> sufficient for OSM & ODBL?
>
> Other Australian datasets on https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Import/Catalogue#Community_Imports (Capad not listed?)  seem to
> have additional explicit permission statements in addition to the CC-BY?
>
> I've have already used CAPAD to manually add a couple of parks and tweak
> some geometry, but I want to check I'm not going to cause problems by
> continuing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 11:17, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> On 8 February 2017 at 11:08, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
>> > capad
>>
>> The links for this are:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Collabo
>> rative_Australian_Protected_Areas_Database_(CAPAD)
>> http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad
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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Adam Horan]

I've had a look at CAPAD, and the statement from the department merely
seems to be a restatement that it's CC-BY:

*"OpenStreetMap can use CAPAD 2014 under the CC-BY licence conditions
without any extra permissions from the department or from the contributing
agencies."*

To my reading this is just a way of saying that you can use it in any way
compatible with CC-BY. However I didn't think CC-BY on it's own was
sufficient for OSM & ODBL?

Other Australian datasets on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue#Community_Imports
(Capad not listed?)  seem to have additional explicit permission statements
in addition to the CC-BY?

I've have already used CAPAD to manually add a couple of parks and tweak
some geometry, but I want to check I'm not going to cause problems by
continuing.

Thanks,

Adam


On 8 February 2017 at 11:17, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> On 8 February 2017 at 11:08, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> > capad
>
> The links for this are:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/
> Collaborative_Australian_Protected_Areas_Database_(CAPAD)
> http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad
>
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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Adam Horan]

I have often wondered where the existing National Park data comes from. In
general it seems to exist in OSM in quite high fidelity however the
boundaries are usually not evident on the ground or imagery. Yet whenever
I've looked back through histories I can't find any reasonable source or
attribution tags.

However there is data at
https://www.data.vic.gov.au/data/dataset/parks-and-conservation-reserves-parkres
which is described as:
*Parks and Conservation Reserves (PARKRES)*

*PARKRES is a spatial representation of the Parks and Reserves Information
Management System (PRIMS). This database lists Parks and Conservation
Reserves under the policy control of the DELWP Parks and Protected Areas
Branch. These include areas scheduled under the National Parks Act 1975,
Nature Conservation Reserves, Natural Features Reserves, Regional Parks,
Phillip Island Nature Park, Historic & Cultural Features Reserves, and
Metropolitan Open Space Parks. Many of these areas are managed by Parks
Victoria under a management agreement between the Minister for Environment
and the Parks Victoria Board. PRIMS and PARKRES define the areas covered by
this agreement. The aim of this layer is to eventually map all areas
represented in PRIMS at 1:25,000 or better scale. This dataset updated from
time to time, so is a snapshot of the parks and reserves system.*

Included in the accuracy statement is: *Validation of the land manager
attribute is continuing. This dataset does not provide definitive
boundaries for areas scheduled under the National Parks Act 1975*

Attribution to DELWP under CC BY 4.0

However I've no idea if this license is fully compatible, or if we have
specific permission.

For existing parks and lack of source, look at Mornington Peninsula NP
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3361243/history#map=17/-38.44856/144.95120
in that location the shape is completely non-obvious on the ground, and
there's no attribution I can see. See also
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/176328417#map=16/-38.4744/144.8905

regards,

Adam


On 8 February 2017 at 10:49, nwastra  wrote:

> Hi
> I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in
> Victoria.
> Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done
> with the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I
> sort out where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the
> osm?
>
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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Andrew Harvey]

On 8 February 2017 at 11:08, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> capad

The links for this are:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Collaborative_Australian_Protected_Areas_Database_(CAPAD)
http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad

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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Ross Scanlon]

capad



On 08/02/17 09:49, nwastra wrote:

Hi
I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in 
Victoria.
Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done with 
the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I sort out 
where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the osm?


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[talk-au] Parks Vic data

[nwastra]

Hi
I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in 
Victoria. 
Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done with 
the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I sort out 
where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the osm?


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