Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

[Kunce, Dale]

As Dan pointed out lets err on the side of caution here. I’ve reached out to 
AirBus to either gain some clarity on the license or potentially share the 
imagery under a license compatible with OSM.

Thanks everyone.


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From: Dan Joseph >
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 7:00 PM
To: Denis Carriere >
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

Hi, that url looks like the one from the gov't of Alberta web viewer. If that's 
the case it pretty clearly states on the welcome page (emphasis mine):
Satellite image source: Pléaides-1A © CNES 2016, Distribution AIRBUS DS, all 
rights reserved. Use of this imagery is subject to the Airbus Defence and Space 
Web License for Non-Commercial Use, January, 2015. Users may view the image; 
must not download, store, copy, transfer or reverse engineer the image in any 
way or use the image to create a database and/or a derivative work; and must 
contact AIRBUS DS to obtain a full license. Base Map Data provided by the 
Government of Alberta under the Alberta Open Government Licence. Cadastral and 
Dispositions Data provided by Alberta Data Partnerships. Other data are 
provided by the ministry of Alberta Environment and Parks (AEP). No base 
feature data can be reproduced or distributed without the prior written 
permission of the Government of Alberta.

Can you please clarify the source of the imagery and the licensing around it?

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
If anyone is interested in using this custom imagery in JOSM or iD, here is the 
URL:

https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/genesis_tokenauth/rest/services/Pleiades_RGB_Ft_McMurray_Fire_50cm/20160506/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

You can clearly see the damaged buildings:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CihrvYmU4AALP5N.jpg:large


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GitHub: DenisCarriere
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi James,

What was the source for the traced damage extent estimates? I was 
cross-referencing between the satellite imagery the Alberta government has made 
available for viewing at https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/FortMcMurray/ and 
the extent polygons up on OSM tagged name="Fort McMurray Fire Damage Estimate" 
and there seemed to be differences. Also, I can't find the source now, but 
remember hearing that no schools were destroyed but am seeing several schools 
in the OSM damage extent polygons.

Thanks and all the best,
Dan

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James 
> wrote:
Hello everyone OsmCanada had a meeting tonight and have traced polygons 
estimating the areas damaged and have named them "Fort McMurray Fire Damage 
Estimate". They are tagged as brownfield as the buildings have been destroyed 
or burnt down. The major areas affected are Thickwood, Beacon Hill and Abasand. 
We thought this may help the red cross immensely.

Big thank you to Rps333 for the help.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi John,

Dale is the American Red Cross GIS Team Lead. I'm on his team and have been 
deployed to Canada to work in-person with the Canadian Red Cross. In terms of 
OSM-CA / Red Cross coordination, I can be considered the point of contact on 
the RC side until someone within Canadian Red Cross is ready and willing to 
take it on.

All the best,
Dan

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
Have you talked to dale.ku...@redcross.org?

A coordinated approach might be better.  OSM can use data obtained through the 
Gov Canada open data portal and has done in the past as far as I am aware.

Thanks John

On 13 May 2016 at 14:37, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi James,

It looks like some good progress is being made on the tasks.

Tasks #22 and #23 are focused on mapping different features but it looks like 
#24 overlaps in focus. Perhaps that task should be archived until the other two 
are completed to 

Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

[Dan Joseph]

Hi, that url looks like the one from the gov't of Alberta web viewer. If
that's the case it pretty clearly states on the welcome page (emphasis
mine):

Satellite image source: Pléaides-1A © CNES 2016, Distribution AIRBUS DS,
all rights reserved. Use of this imagery is subject to the Airbus Defence
and Space Web License for Non-Commercial Use, January, 2015. *Users may
view the image; must not download, store, copy, transfer or reverse
engineer the image in any way or use the image to create a database and/or
a derivative work*; and must contact AIRBUS DS to obtain a full license.
Base Map Data provided by the Government of Alberta under the Alberta Open
Government Licence. Cadastral and Dispositions Data provided by Alberta
Data Partnerships. Other data are provided by the ministry of Alberta
Environment and Parks (AEP). No base feature data can be reproduced or
distributed without the prior written permission of the Government of
Alberta.


Can you please clarify the source of the imagery and the licensing around
it?

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Denis Carriere 
wrote:

> If anyone is interested in using this custom imagery in JOSM or iD, here
> is the URL:
>
>
> https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/genesis_tokenauth/rest/services/Pleiades_RGB_Ft_McMurray_Fire_50cm/20160506/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}
>
> You can clearly see the damaged buildings:
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CihrvYmU4AALP5N.jpg:large
>
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
> *GIS Project Manager*
>
> *Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
> *OSM: DenisCarriere *
> GitHub: DenisCarriere 
> Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> What was the source for the traced damage extent estimates? I was
>> cross-referencing between the satellite imagery the Alberta government has
>> made available for viewing at
>> https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/FortMcMurray/ and the extent polygons
>> up on OSM tagged name="Fort McMurray Fire Damage Estimate" and there
>> seemed to be differences. Also, I can't find the source now, but remember
>> hearing that no schools were destroyed but am seeing several schools in the
>> OSM damage extent polygons.
>>
>> Thanks and all the best,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone OsmCanada had a meeting tonight and have traced polygons
>>> estimating the areas damaged and have named them "Fort McMurray Fire Damage
>>> Estimate". They are tagged as brownfield as the buildings have been
>>> destroyed or burnt down. The major areas affected are Thickwood, Beacon
>>> Hill and Abasand. We thought this may help the red cross immensely.
>>>
>>> Big thank you to Rps333 for the help.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Joseph 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,

 Dale is the American Red Cross GIS Team Lead. I'm on his team and have
 been deployed to Canada to work in-person with the Canadian Red Cross. In
 terms of OSM-CA / Red Cross coordination, I can be considered the point of
 contact on the RC side until someone within Canadian Red Cross is ready and
 willing to take it on.

 All the best,
 Dan

 On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM, john whelan 
 wrote:

> Have you talked to dale.ku...@redcross.org?
>
> A coordinated approach might be better.  OSM can use data obtained
> through the Gov Canada open data portal and has done in the past as far as
> I am aware.
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 13 May 2016 at 14:37, Dan Joseph  wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> It looks like some good progress is being made on the tasks.
>>
>> Tasks #22 and #23 are focused on mapping different features but it
>> looks like #24 overlaps in focus. Perhaps that task should be archived
>> until the other two are completed to avoid confusion among newcomers to 
>> the
>> site?
>>
>> Task #23 only provides minimal instructions (*Add address data via
>> GeoBase. Add missing Roads and Street names.*). Would more people
>> feel comfortable contributing if detailed instructions were included? It
>> seemed the task is referring to the dataset described here:
>> http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/geobase/official/nrn_rrn/doc/NRN.pdf
>>   Is the Canada open government licence compatible with OSM?
>>
>> Thanks and all the best,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM, James  wrote:
>>
>>> What exactly do you need of me? Prioritize areas to get mapped? We
>>> have tasks for the buildings, addresses and streets(which I think have 
>>> been
>>> imported via CanVec) and a validation layer

Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Denis Carriere
 wrote:
> If anyone is interested in using this custom imagery in JOSM or iD, here is
> the URL:
>
> https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/genesis_tokenauth/rest/services/Pleiades_RGB_Ft_McMurray_Fire_50cm/20160506/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

Is the license compatible with OSM?

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Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

[Denis Carriere]

If anyone is interested in using this custom imagery in JOSM or iD, here is
the URL:

https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/genesis_tokenauth/rest/services/Pleiades_RGB_Ft_McMurray_Fire_50cm/20160506/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

You can clearly see the damaged buildings:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CihrvYmU4AALP5N.jpg:large


*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Project Manager*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Joseph  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> What was the source for the traced damage extent estimates? I was
> cross-referencing between the satellite imagery the Alberta government has
> made available for viewing at
> https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/FortMcMurray/ and the extent polygons
> up on OSM tagged name="Fort McMurray Fire Damage Estimate" and there
> seemed to be differences. Also, I can't find the source now, but remember
> hearing that no schools were destroyed but am seeing several schools in the
> OSM damage extent polygons.
>
> Thanks and all the best,
> Dan
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone OsmCanada had a meeting tonight and have traced polygons
>> estimating the areas damaged and have named them "Fort McMurray Fire Damage
>> Estimate". They are tagged as brownfield as the buildings have been
>> destroyed or burnt down. The major areas affected are Thickwood, Beacon
>> Hill and Abasand. We thought this may help the red cross immensely.
>>
>> Big thank you to Rps333 for the help.
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Joseph 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Dale is the American Red Cross GIS Team Lead. I'm on his team and have
>>> been deployed to Canada to work in-person with the Canadian Red Cross. In
>>> terms of OSM-CA / Red Cross coordination, I can be considered the point of
>>> contact on the RC side until someone within Canadian Red Cross is ready and
>>> willing to take it on.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM, john whelan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you talked to dale.ku...@redcross.org?

 A coordinated approach might be better.  OSM can use data obtained
 through the Gov Canada open data portal and has done in the past as far as
 I am aware.

 Thanks John

 On 13 May 2016 at 14:37, Dan Joseph  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> It looks like some good progress is being made on the tasks.
>
> Tasks #22 and #23 are focused on mapping different features but it
> looks like #24 overlaps in focus. Perhaps that task should be archived
> until the other two are completed to avoid confusion among newcomers to 
> the
> site?
>
> Task #23 only provides minimal instructions (*Add address data via
> GeoBase. Add missing Roads and Street names.*). Would more people
> feel comfortable contributing if detailed instructions were included? It
> seemed the task is referring to the dataset described here:
> http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/geobase/official/nrn_rrn/doc/NRN.pdf
>   Is the Canada open government licence compatible with OSM?
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM, James  wrote:
>
>> What exactly do you need of me? Prioritize areas to get mapped? We
>> have tasks for the buildings, addresses and streets(which I think have 
>> been
>> imported via CanVec) and a validation layer
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dan Joseph 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm helping coordinate the Canadian Red Cross' use of GIS in their
>>> activities responding to the Fort McMurray fires. Staff has been very 
>>> busy
>>> but we're ramping up and exploring options for how to leverage different
>>> tools and data sources to support the Red Cross operations. The focus 
>>> is on
>>> the evacuees, many of which have dispersed to distant locations around 
>>> the
>>> country. When residents are allowed to return to the town and 
>>> longer-term
>>> recovery activities become a priority, I foresee having an excellent OSM
>>> base layer as being a valuable asset. Both for facilitating operational
>>> decisions, and demonstrating the power of the OSM community and easily
>>> accessible geo-data with an open license!
>>>
>>> I would love to connect with those involved in coordinating the
>>> current tasks up on http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/. Is the best channel
>>> of communication through this list or via Skype or some other means?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dan Joseph
>>>

Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

[Dan Joseph]

Hi James,

What was the source for the traced damage extent estimates? I was
cross-referencing between the satellite imagery the Alberta government has
made available for viewing at
https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/FortMcMurray/ and the extent polygons up
on OSM tagged name="Fort McMurray Fire Damage Estimate" and there seemed to
be differences. Also, I can't find the source now, but remember hearing
that no schools were destroyed but am seeing several schools in the OSM
damage extent polygons.

Thanks and all the best,
Dan

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James  wrote:

> Hello everyone OsmCanada had a meeting tonight and have traced polygons
> estimating the areas damaged and have named them "Fort McMurray Fire Damage
> Estimate". They are tagged as brownfield as the buildings have been
> destroyed or burnt down. The major areas affected are Thickwood, Beacon
> Hill and Abasand. We thought this may help the red cross immensely.
>
> Big thank you to Rps333 for the help.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Dale is the American Red Cross GIS Team Lead. I'm on his team and have
>> been deployed to Canada to work in-person with the Canadian Red Cross. In
>> terms of OSM-CA / Red Cross coordination, I can be considered the point of
>> contact on the RC side until someone within Canadian Red Cross is ready and
>> willing to take it on.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM, john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you talked to dale.ku...@redcross.org?
>>>
>>> A coordinated approach might be better.  OSM can use data obtained
>>> through the Gov Canada open data portal and has done in the past as far as
>>> I am aware.
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2016 at 14:37, Dan Joseph  wrote:
>>>
 Hi James,

 It looks like some good progress is being made on the tasks.

 Tasks #22 and #23 are focused on mapping different features but it
 looks like #24 overlaps in focus. Perhaps that task should be archived
 until the other two are completed to avoid confusion among newcomers to the
 site?

 Task #23 only provides minimal instructions (*Add address data via
 GeoBase. Add missing Roads and Street names.*). Would more people feel
 comfortable contributing if detailed instructions were included? It seemed
 the task is referring to the dataset described here:
 http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/geobase/official/nrn_rrn/doc/NRN.pdf
   Is the Canada open government licence compatible with OSM?

 Thanks and all the best,

 Dan


 On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM, James  wrote:

> What exactly do you need of me? Prioritize areas to get mapped? We
> have tasks for the buildings, addresses and streets(which I think have 
> been
> imported via CanVec) and a validation layer
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm helping coordinate the Canadian Red Cross' use of GIS in their
>> activities responding to the Fort McMurray fires. Staff has been very 
>> busy
>> but we're ramping up and exploring options for how to leverage different
>> tools and data sources to support the Red Cross operations. The focus is 
>> on
>> the evacuees, many of which have dispersed to distant locations around 
>> the
>> country. When residents are allowed to return to the town and longer-term
>> recovery activities become a priority, I foresee having an excellent OSM
>> base layer as being a valuable asset. Both for facilitating operational
>> decisions, and demonstrating the power of the OSM community and easily
>> accessible geo-data with an open license!
>>
>> I would love to connect with those involved in coordinating the
>> current tasks up on http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/. Is the best channel
>> of communication through this list or via Skype or some other means?
>>
>> All the best,
>> Dan Joseph
>>
>> GIS Officer | International Services | American Red Cross
>> Skype danielbjoseph  |  Twitter @danbjoseph  |  OSM ID danbjoseph
>>
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