[Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Righto, thanks! Glad to hear I didn't do anything mysteriously wrong. Tom On 23 March 2010 11:49, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Tom That instance of XAPI is lagging a bit due to recent heavy load. Its currently at 2010-03-22T15:52:02Z Your changeset is about three hours after that time so it should come through later today. 80n On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754]http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node%5Bhighway=bus_stop%5D%5Bbbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754%5D Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
I hope the load is not due to Novam using the server now. Novam is displaying the value of xapi:planetDate below the map key to give an indication of the age of the data. Perhaps the attribute could be amended with a full timestamp of the last update? Cheers Christoph On 23/03/2010 11:49, 80n wrote: Tom That instance of XAPI is lagging a bit due to recent heavy load. Its currently at 2010-03-22T15:52:02Z Your changeset is about three hours after that time so it should come through later today. 80n On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754]http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node%5Bhighway=bus_stop%5D%5Bbbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754%5D Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Tom, If you wish I can change the Hull scheme to mark stops with naptan:verified=yes as completed as well. Cheers, Christoph On 23/03/2010 09:38, Tom Chance wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Edinburgh] Road Names
Very Cool, I think it would be worth going over this at the next meeting, maybe we could put up a wiki page with the roads that are missing and plan the mapping party for areas that are particularly bad. Excellent work cheers Bob --- On Tue, 23/3/10, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: From: Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Edinburgh] Road Names To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 0:29 Cool I've hooked up a script to do a comparison with the street names in OSM and have put the results up at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah4ejhysSkMOdDktM0Jyb3Z5TGFQTjZkOHJ4RHlnVGchl=en Overall on the first pass we match about 75% of the road names, although there are lots of 'Z' Class roads that we don't have. I have also done a area by area comparison and have included this on the second tab of the spreadsheet some area's look very good and some quite poor. I hope to spend some time looking at an area and figuring out where we don't match in order to get any bugs out, but if anyone wants to make any comments then the spreadsheet *should* be writable. Also let me know if there are any other fields that it would be useful to pull out of OSM. Cheers Chris On 18/03/10 23:14, Dair Grant wrote: Hi, At this week's Edinburgh meet-up we discussed the Council's public road name list, and how to cross-reference it with OSM to check coverage/identify missing roads. Unfortunately the council data is only available as a set of tabular PDFs, which is hard to do anything useful with, so I've converted them into a single csv file: http://bit.ly/99py7c I won't have time to do anything with it for a while, but have put it up in case anyone else from Edinburgh wants a go (the script is on github in case other councils have a similar problem). Sorry for spamming all of -gb, as this is pretty local to Edinburgh, but there's no talk-scot and everyone is on talk-gb. Having said that, we also discussed having a mapping party in/around Penicuik on April 10th, so for anyone in central Scotland/visiting the area then I think Bob will be sticking the details for that on the Edinburgh page on the wiki. -dair ___ d...@refnum.com http://www.refnum.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Oh, well, I don't mind really. I've just assumed that the tag should be deleted as the Birmingham scheme also shows them needing work. It is a bit confusing having the three colour schemes when I'm aiming to fix the data up to a canonical OSM standard. Tom On 23 March 2010 12:16, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Tom, If you wish I can change the Hull scheme to mark stops with naptan:verified=yes as completed as well. Cheers, Christoph On 23/03/2010 09:38, Tom Chance wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like route references, shelter information and asset references. Christoph On 23/03/2010 12:59, Tom Chance wrote: Oh, well, I don't mind really. I've just assumed that the tag should be deleted as the Birmingham scheme also shows them needing work. It is a bit confusing having the three colour schemes when I'm aiming to fix the data up to a canonical OSM standard. Tom On 23 March 2010 12:16, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Tom, If you wish I can change the Hull scheme to mark stops with naptan:verified=yes as completed as well. Cheers, Christoph On 23/03/2010 09:38, Tom Chance wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Three Counties (Surrey, W Sussex, Hants) Mapping Party Sat April 17th - date confirmed
To follow on from my earlier email, I'd like to now confirm the date of the Three Counties mini mapping party (Haslemere, Surrey) as Saturday April 17th. Aim will be to complete a number of the villages and small towns in the Haslemere area. Details on the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Three_Counties_Mapping_Party Please sign up if you're interested in coming. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
On 23 March 2010 13:20, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like route references, shelter information and asset references. That sounds sensible. The basic scheme would presumably be enough for generalist mappers like me to be sure we're tidying NAPTAN up, without needing all the transport geek data I've never heard of? Best, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net schrieb: On 23 March 2010 13:20, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like route references, shelter information and asset references. That sounds sensible. The basic scheme would presumably be enough for generalist mappers like me to be sure we're tidying NAPTAN up, without needing all the transport geek data I've never heard of? Yes, exactly. My current plan is to have four types of stops in the basic scheme: 1. Non-NaPTAN stops: Stops without naptan:*-tags. Basically plain old OSM bus stops. 2. Unverified NaPTAN stops: Stops from the NaPTAN import which have a naptan:verified=no tag or which are missing the highway=bus_stop tag. 3. Verified NaPTAN stops: Stops tagged as hightway=bus_stop and with either no naptan:verified tag or a naptan:verified=yes tag. 4. CUS-stops: Stops with naptan:BusStopType=CUS because they are not marked on the ground and cannot be verified. Extended schemes would be: 1. Stops with notes: Highlight stops with a note or naptan:error tag 2. Route information: Highlight stops which are missing the route_ref tag. 3. Shelter and asset refs: Highlight bus stops which have shelter=yes and no asset_ref or which have no shelter tag at all (this might be quite Birmingham specific). 4. Anything else? I suggest to keep the old schemes but rename them to the name of the public transport network they apply to (e.g. Transport West Midlands for Birmingham), since they are based on the amount of information that is available on the signs used by a particular network. Best, Christoph Best, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
What's happening with the imports at the moment, are they progressing? North Yorkshire would be useful for me, well York and the area north as far as Thirsk anyway (~ 25 miles). Regards, Steve - Original Message - From: Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net To: Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net Cc: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org, talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:26:42 + Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net schrieb: On 23 March 2010 13:20, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like route references, shelter information and asset references. That sounds sensible. The basic scheme would presumably be enough for generalist mappers like me to be sure we're tidying NAPTAN up, without needing all the transport geek data I've never heard of? Yes, exactly. My current plan is to have four types of stops in the basic scheme: 1. Non-NaPTAN stops: Stops without naptan:*-tags. Basically plain old OSM bus stops. 2. Unverified NaPTAN stops: Stops from the NaPTAN import which have a naptan:verified=no tag or which are missing the highway=bus_stop tag. 3. Verified NaPTAN stops: Stops tagged as hightway=bus_stop and with either no naptan:verified tag or a naptan:verified=yes tag. 4. CUS-stops: Stops with naptan:BusStopType=CUS because they are not marked on the ground and cannot be verified. Extended schemes would be: 1. Stops with notes: Highlight stops with a note or naptan:error tag 2. Route information: Highlight stops which are missing the route_ref tag. 3. Shelter and asset refs: Highlight bus stops which have shelter=yes and no asset_ref or which have no shelter tag at all (this might be quite Birmingham specific). 4. Anything else? I suggest to keep the old schemes but rename them to the name of the public transport network they apply to (e.g. Transport West Midlands for Birmingham), since they are based on the amount of information that is available on the signs used by a particular network. Best, Christoph Best, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] GB Chapter
All I've talked to a few people recently in the UK geo-scene about various partnerships and other bits and bobs that would make sense for OSM. Unfortunately they don't make a whole lot of sense to do anything official with OSMF. It would make a lot more sense if there was a GB/UK chapter of OSMF which could build out a lot of the UK specific relationships and partnerships. Of course, OSM started in the UK but that doesn't mean OSMF is all about the UK. Especially today, where only one board member actually lives there. Abroad, the US and ES chapters seem to be picking up speed and a UK chapter, if it makes sense, would help build out a ton of potential things that OSMF can't (perhaps shouldn't) do. Thoughts? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
