[Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you havent been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
On 18 June 2012 10:31, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Sadly, I don't think I can make it due to a prior commitment, but I'd been planning to go there and do some mapping of memorials, as follow-up to an event I was at last weekend: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon which was part of a larger activity, improving coverage of WWI on Wikipedia in the run-up to the 100th anniversary commemorations. May I urge those of you who can attend to please consider taking and uploading pictures to Wikimedia Commons, to supplement those already available there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:National_Memorial_Arboretum and including Wikipedia links in OSM, per: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikipedia and its talk page discussion on related articles: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:wikipedia The main English Wikipedia article on the NMA is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Memorial_Arboretum I'm sure you'll find it fascinating place to visit. You my also like to note the adjacent River Tame/ Trent confluence. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
As I live in Lichfield I was hoping to attend but now can't. However, in the interests of boosting interest in and membership of OSM/Mappa Mercia would it be useful for me to post something on my hyperlocal site, Lichfield Live http://lichfieldlive.co.uk inviting people to join in? Phil On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you haven’t been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
Are there any notes I'm missing about how to access and deal with nodes in the DfT data? e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/edloach/7392860104/in/photostream Ed -Original Message- From: Martin - CycleStreets [mailto:list-osm-talk- g...@cyclestreets.net] Sent: 17 June 2012 12:44 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging As previously announced [1], we've been working with Andy Allan and the DfT's contractors to open up the cycling data that the DfT have collected (via manual surveys on bikes) over recent years. This data for each area is now available, converted, and ready for easy merging in with a new Potlatch2 tool Andy has written. The DfT is very keen to see the data more widely used, by OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports them: - Surface quality (surface=) - Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=) - Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM - Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=) - Barriers of various kinds (barrier=) - Traffic calming (traffic_calming=) - Lighting (lit=) The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest! The wiki URL above has a link to each area, and there's a screencast on Andy's merging tool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sMxpWptCQ I've so far merged in almost half the Cambridge data in under half a day. We'd love to see a local 'cheerleader' for each area. Could you sign up on the Wiki for that? Further work we're doing in support of this project is: - Writing articles for CTC, LCC and other cycling groups about getting involved in OpenStreetMap surveying more generally, and hopefully then helping with this merging project. - Creating a resource for local Councils to inform them about OSM data, the merging tool, and how it will improve cycle journey planning. - Getting our feedback system map-enabled (it's purely tabular at the moment!) and opened up so that the effect of merging in this data is clearer. We can't directly use MapDust as bugs need triaging first to avoid MapDust getting engine-related spam or having personal data in. - Getting the P2 customisations into our local copy on the CycleStreets website and making the existence of the data clearer in various ways. - Hoping to get some visualisations done of merged coverage. - Screencasts and other documentation. - Any usability improvements in response to feedback on the tool. [1] Talk-gb discussions, which provided useful feedback, now incorporated: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011- October/012256.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012- January/012764.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012- March/012900.html [2] http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2012/05/20/more-osm-tags- supported/ Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** http://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you havent been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
Also, I'm not up on cycleway lane tagging, and on a section where there are lanes both sides, is cycleway:left=lane and cycleway:right=lane correct, as per merge tool suggestions? Also, the merge tool is showing a suggest of Lane with a capital letter, which I think should be lower case. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] streetmap.co.uk
www.streetmap.co.uk - one of the two first UK mapping sites (along with Multimap) - has started using OSM. Their 1:5k layer is now OSM-based outside London, where they still use A-Z. Custom cartography in quite an A-Z-like style! cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] streetmap.co.uk
Hi, On 06/18/2012 12:05 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: www.streetmap.co.uk - one of the two first UK mapping sites (along with Multimap) - has started using OSM. Their 1:5k layer is now OSM-based outside London, where they still use A-Z. Custom cartography in quite an A-Z-like style! Maybe they should work on their This data may not be reproduced in any form without permission. then ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Meet up Edinburgh at Guildford arms tomorrow Tues 19th June
Hi we will be having a pub social in Edinburgh http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events We have been offered a photo lab with a wikipedia group, date still to be arranged. Cheers Bob___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] streetmap.co.uk
They credit Open Street Map rather than OpenStreetMap. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] streetmap.co.uk
On 18/06/2012 11:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: www.streetmap.co.uk - one of the two first UK mapping sites (along with Multimap) - has started using OSM. Their 1:5k layer is now OSM-based outside London, where they still use A-Z. Custom cartography in quite an A-Z-like style! Good news. Do you have any background info on why the decided to use OSM? With what regularity will they be updating? Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
On 18 June 2012 10:31, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Sadly, I don't think I can make it due to a prior commitment, but I'd been planning to go there and do some mapping of memorials, as follow-up to an event I was at last weekend: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon which was part of a larger activity, improving coverage of WWI on Wikipedia in the run-up to the 100th anniversary commemorations. May I urge those of you who can attend to please consider taking and uploading pictures to Wikimedia Commons, to supplement those already available there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:National_Memorial_Arboretum and including Wikipedia links in OSM, per: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikipedia and its talk page discussion on related articles: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:wikipedia The main English Wikipedia article on the NMA is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Memorial_Arboretum I'm sure you'll find it fascinating place to visit. You my also like to note the adjacent River Tame/ Trent confluence. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
One last comment for now. When looking at a project page, such as: http://gravitystorm.dev.openstreetmap.org/cnxc-snapshot/projects/78/ tagged_ways It would be good to have a link to edit a relevant area, or failing that at least a latitude/longitude so you can find the way. I've followed the two cycle routes in the district and dealt with those, but it looks like there are other ways in the data and I don't know how to find where they are, rather than panning around and hoping I stumble across them. Or maybe I can track down the original DfT data and look at that in some other viewer. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
I'd be tempted to convert the cycleway=lane into cycleway:left=lane and cycleway:right=lane anyway, since (if I understand it right), it's relatively easy to tag-transform it back again, for data users who can only use symmetrical stuff. The capital letter is wrong though. Richard On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Also, I'm not up on cycleway lane tagging, and on a section where there are lanes both sides, is cycleway:left=lane and cycleway:right=lane correct, as per merge tool suggestions? Also, the merge tool is showing a suggest of Lane with a capital letter, which I think should be lower case. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How to work with Government Open Data (e.g. Boundaries, Rights of Way)
How do footpaths work legally with textual descriptions? If a field has a stile/gate at opposite corners. The footpath may have originally cut across, legally the landowner has to allow access between the two gates, but can he make people walk round the edge of his field. Also in reverse, if the footpath was originally walking round the edge until people walked diagonally across and the landowner allowed that by leaving a gap in crops and blocking the edge. Has the footpath/access changed? My point being that if that's fine, then we should map on-the-ground truth between the gates and field boundaries. You can usually tell on the ground which way the majority of people are walking across a footpath. Of course there may be cases where changes are happening and we don't want the map to support a case that nobody goes that way any more. If a farmer starts growing crops over what has originally been a diagonal cut-across footpath, and there are still a few people that walk that way (or you do) then keep it mapped. If the majority of people are walking a longer way around the edge (put off by the crops) then that could be tagged as a non-designated footpath/path with only highway tag and maybe a note. I have an example footpath I've mapped. There is a stile in the middle of a non-farmed field, not part of a fence/barrier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=264320738 I could have cut the corner a bit (not too much as it's slopped and has large puddles), but I made sure I walked right to the stile when mapping. I don't think it's ever going to be argued the footpath must meet that point, but it's a useful navigation aid on the map. It would be confusing for a map to have a stile that's separate stile to the path! On 16 June 2012 16:28, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, I agree that we don't want to take Hants data at face value and load this into OSM where a path is already mapped. I have added my answers below: Q1. Hampshire marked footpath and OSM footpath run very close to each other (deviating by only a few meters max). No obvious marking on Bing Aerial Q2. As with Q1, but Bing Aerial shows clear path (neither OSM or Hampshire line up with this path perfectly). A1. Use OSM path and tag with designation A2. As A1 (optionally align path to Bing, GPS survey would help here). - - - Q3. OSM path crosses diagonally over a field (roughly following the path visible on Bing). Hampshire's data indicates a kink in the route so that in the middle of the field the gap reaches about 20-30 meters. Q4. OSM path crosses over 2 fields (following Bing path and cutting through a gap in hedgerow). Path is a straight line at an angle 'x' from the road. Hampshire's data shows the path runs straight, but at angle 'y'. Max deviation 50m. What about a smaller deviation of only 15m? Q5. As 4 above but the Hampshire path appears to cross the hedgerow where there is no visible gap on Bings imagery. A3-5. Research using other sources (ground survey, NLS scanned OS maps, etc). If no path found where Hants suggests there should be one, tag the OSM path instead (add a note). If there is a path where Hants puts it, then this should be mapped - This could result in 2 paths being mapped, but would be correct if there are 2 paths on the ground. - - - Q6. Hampshire have a path marked that is not in OSM. Bing shows there is something there. Q7. As 6 but no marking on Bing. No obvious obstructions Q8. As 7 but there is an potential obstruction (e.g. woodland with no clear path - although this would be hard to see on Bing) Q9. As 8 but there is an obvious obstruction (e.g. building). A6-9. Trace the path from bing for Q6 (add a fixme tag). Q7-9 really could do with a ground survey. - - - To test these rules I had a go at mapping BOAT Martin. 15. Neither OSM or Hants data lined up well with the Bing aerial (even with a simple offset). In this example there is a clear modern track. Two sections of the modern track appear to deviate from the historic route (I looked on the NLS maps to get a better idea of the historic route and cross referenced this with Bing aerial). The right hand section is still clearly visible on Bing, suggesting it is still used. The left hand section follows what looks to be a tree lined route. This suggests that I have identified the correct 'historic' route, but the trees make it hard to tell if the route is still passable. I mapped the whole of the 'modern' track as highway=track. The 2 other sections, I mapped as highway=path and added a fixme comment to suggest resurvey. I then added the designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic tag to the route that follows the 'historic' path. I was reasonable happy doing this because if the left hand section route is impassable there is a clear alternative. Let me know your thoughts on this. Visualisation of edit history:
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday
Phil, The more the merrier! Cheers Andy From: phil.pe...@gmail.com [mailto:phil.pe...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Philip John Sent: 18 June 2012 13:37 To: Andy Robinson Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] National Memorial Arboretum this Saturday As I live in Lichfield I was hoping to attend but now can't. However, in the interests of boosting interest in and membership of OSM/Mappa Mercia would it be useful for me to post something on my hyperlocal site, Lichfield Live http://lichfieldlive.co.uk inviting people to join in? Phil On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: We have a micro mapping party proposed for this Saturday to the National Memorial Arboretum [1] at Alrewas, Staffs [2]. I'm now available so will be able to make it and I'll do a little planning this week to smooth the day. It would be handy to get an idea of numbers who are planning to come along so if you can respond to the list that would be great. The NMA is a sobering place to visit so don't be surprised if you spend more time reading the memorial details than mapping if you havent been before. At 150 acres the site is far bigger than you can individually get around in one day and see everything. The NMA has its own map which they sell for £3 together with a detailed guidebook for £6.50. They also have a simple 3D map on their website [3]. Our plan is to improve our own detail and get as many of the memorials on OpenStreetMap as possible (there are hundreds!) Entrance to the NMA is Free (they encourage donation) and car parking is £3 Pay and Display. Alternatively you can cycle to it by taking Route 54 from Lichfield/Burton [4] and looking out for the signs to the Arboretum through Alrewas or Fradley. Suggest you plan the route first as the Sustrans cycle signs are not that easy to spot. The quiet route signed is through Fradley. Note there is no access from Alrewas directly to Croxall Road, you have to use the main Burton Road (A513) instead. There is a visitor café/restaurant on site which is where I suggest we meet at 10am (they open at 9) and also would be the logical place for lunch unless you bring your own sandwiches. Note that the site is quite exposed and can be bracing when windy so be prepared for the weather on the day. Cheers Andy [1] http://www.thenma.org.uk/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72855lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M lon=-1.7266zoom=16layers=M [3] http://www.thenma.org.uk/the-nma/map/map-of-the-arboretum/ [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.72986lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C lon=-1.73671zoom=15layers=C ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
smurph wrote I've just been looking through the CUBA data and I think we need to show that a route is part of a relation (specifically NCNs - which are mostly done by relation in the Bristol area) to avoid someone retagging all of the ways as NCN when they are already part of an NCN relation. Similar situation in Northumberland: the NCNs round here are all in relations. In fact the Cycle tab on Potlatch2 treats all cycle routes as relations, so it is likely to be very common across the country. Perhaps the tool could be modified to take account of the network and ref tags on any type=route+route=bicycle relation applied to the way? Or perhaps just warn against merging *_ref tags when a way also has type=route relations on it? On my local routes the DfT data is completely wrong anyway. They have parts of the paved NCN72 (Hadrian's Cycleway) tagged as unpaved NCN10 (Reiver's Cycle Route) , which is actually about 8km north. Will the errors/discrepancies we identify be fed back to the DfT? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/England-Cycling-Data-project-DfT-cycling-data-now-available-for-merging-tp5713108p5713210.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
On 18 June 2012 14:35, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 18:30, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: It would be really helpful if the snapshot server could render a map showing where the remaining unmerged data is located. That's a good idea, and it's something I've now added to the issues list. https://github.com/gravitystorm/snapshot-server/issues/6 Great. I am also having trouble merging data where some streets also have ways for admin boundaries, and Potlatch selects the boundary rather than the street. Any tips much appreciated. / - cycle through overlapping ways (at selected node, or where the way was clicked) ( # - on german keyboards, * - on Scandinavian keyboards) taken from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Shortcuts Thanks, my bad. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
On 18 June 2012 14:37, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: 'Left'/'Right' is then based on the direction of the way, therefore you will need to make sure that OSM's and DfT's ways are drawn in the SAME DIRECTION before merging! They should be. In some cases you'll find the DfT data tagged with oneside e.g. cycleway:oneside = lane, where the direction matching has (for whatever reason) not worked, and it's left to the mapper to figure out which is which. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
On 18 June 2012 10:58, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Also, I'm not up on cycleway lane tagging, and on a section where there are lanes both sides, is cycleway:left=lane and cycleway:right=lane correct, as per merge tool suggestions? Also, the merge tool is showing a suggest of Lane with a capital letter, which I think should be lower case. Eurgh, I've just checked and found a few other cases where the production data is still coming through with incorrect case on the tags - I'd checked the first few batches, but it seems wildly inconsistent. I've no idea how they are managing to do that! I'll fix things up on the snapshot server, rather than asking for it all to be regenerated. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging
Rob wrote: I don't see this. Right and Left tell you where the lane is, but it does not tell a user (or routing software) which direction you can ride in. This requires knowledge of which side of the road each country drives on (or forward/backward tags). Ah, yes. I see your point. I was trying to say that you need left/right to say where the cycle lanes are relative to the way to render them in the correct place, but I can see that that doesn't tell you which way you can cycle along them. Similarly just drawing a way on its own doesn’t tell you which side you drive on, though there are oneway tags to cover this (or routers can assume 2 way and not care which side). The alternative of cycleway:forward tells routers that you can cycle in the direction of the way (or the opposite way for cycleway:backward), but doesn't tell renderers whether this should be rendered to the left or the right of the way. I guess this all relates to the issue with tagging lanes; if a road is tagged lanes=3 how do you say how many are forward and how many are backward? I think various proposals keep being made, but I'm not sure anything has been settled yet? I wish I hadn't started thinking about this now, as I think of scenarios that I've never encountered in reality: * twoway cycle lanes to one side of a twoway road * cycle lanes that are oneway, but opposite direction to the adjacent traffic lane (would this be cycleway:side=-1) Certainly the tagging scheme for cycle lanes only really handles the basic rendering case, I think, and requires knowledge of which side of the way people drive for the simple routing case. And doesn't even make clear whether it is the sort demarked with a solid or dashed line (though perhaps there is something about this in the wiki somewhere). Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
