Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Archaeology
Hi Brian, Open Historical Map has a sporadically active mailing list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo historic which your mate might like to join to get a feel for what is going on. It is very early stage stuff though. I map surface expression of historic mining activity in the north of England but have not got around to the research and care needed to start looking below the soil. My inclination, (perhaps not enthusiastically shared by all!), has always been to test the barriers inside the main OpenStreetMap databaset to try new things out and get other folk's reaction by doing something concrete. I.e. Just Do It. Therefore, I personally very much welcome archeaological mapping experiments in the main database with the proviso that if it becomes widespread, some sort of migration to an ancilliary dataset would almost certainly have to happen. Open Historical Map being the likely candidate. Simply because I have the floor, I also predict ancilliary datasets, the technical support for them and the ability to mix and match with the the main database, to be a coming OSM Big Thing. Our main database, and our understanding of it, is beginning to mature in terms of structure, maintenance and what should and should not be in it. So time to start exploring the edges. There is a whole rich field: historic, ecological and biological, geologic and geomorphologic, alternative coastlines, boundaries, immutable authorative datasets, internal building mapping, complex public transport interchanges, personal/school projects ... yada, yada. Oh but there were 34 hours in each day! Mike On 31/08/2013 20:54, sk53.osm wrote: Open Historical Map is a sandbox environment and has only been around for a few months. It's far too early to write it off. A more reliable link is probably hosm.gwhat.com http://hosm.gwhat.com, but Jeff Meyer has been having problems with the servers recently, and it doesn't seem to up atm. Jerry On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Brian Savidge a_sn...@hotmail.com mailto:a_sn...@hotmail.com wrote: The openhistoricalmap is completely blank for me (both in Internet Explorer and Chrome), so I guess it hasn't taken off. It seems a shame not to add the data into OSM in some way assuming the group finds something. Do you know of any examples of areas where groups of Archaeologists (like Time Team) have added information into OSM? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:04:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Archaeology From: ste...@stevenhorner.com mailto:ste...@stevenhorner.com To: a_sn...@hotmail.com mailto:a_sn...@hotmail.com CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Was it http://www.openhistoricalmap.org you were thinking of? On 31 Aug 2013 07:15, Brian Savidge a_sn...@hotmail.com mailto:a_sn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi A friend of mine belongs to a local Archaeology group and they are going to do some surveying shortly using a variety of methods including ground penetrating radar. I thought it would be nice if somehow the results get put onto Open Street Map. Are buried walls and landscape features suitable for recording on Open Street Map perhaps at level -1? I have a feeling I saw something a while ago about a parallel open streetmap that was intended for archaeology and recording things that are no longer visible, but I have lost the link and can't find any references to the site. Any thoughts on the matter? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)
On 23/08/2013 12:07, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the map) I'm not sure if I can quote the website in this case as Google may have a database copyright on it. I generally only quote websites if they are advertised on the geographic site itself. In this case, the building was strangely anonymous, other than the name and the car parking arrangements. The bottom line is do we add the fine detail? ... places like Lumley are a My feeling is that the query/rendering tools can throw away excess detail, but cannot generate detail that is not there. I think the limit has to be set by when a reasonably intelligent person cannot distinguish between two categories (which is not to say that in the grey world in which we live, many if not most things will fall close to borderlines). Agreed. Our eating place is a grey blurry categorisation is a good example that works well and internationally: fast_food cafe restaurant with the fine detail, and what that means in different part of the world, left to specific precise detail tags, such cuisine. Waterways is probably another one. Great for initial identification and general classification, but if you want to use it a canoeist or angler, more arcane/precise info is needed. [whips Mr. Pedantic hat on, for I am in that mood today.] Thinking on those lines, and applying it to the non-GB countries that I map in, I suggest that : 1) the main topic of conversation is an Event hall, as suggested: A (most likely single) building with its dominant function being a (most likely single) large space with flat area that can host meals, dances, presentations, entertainment and other ad hoc events. May have ancilliary facilities such as side rooms, toilets, kitchen, stage. May be publicly or privately run. 2) An Event centre or Conference centre being typically a larger enterprise with a group of facilities including one or more of: large event spaces, meeting rooms, dining facilities, accommodation. May also have small sport/relaxation facilities, park land. Accommodation is NOT usually offered for ordinary visitors or drive by. [Lots of these in Sweden, hence my interest.] 3) A hotel, as we already use it, conversely may have all the features of an event centre but a major function is to provide accommodation to ordinary and drive-by visitors. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)
I'd agree with Mike, banqueting_hall is a tad too specific, but I did like the other option of function_hall suggested by someone earlier in the thread. Event_hall is an equivalent which works fine for me too. Note that there is a cross-over to things tagged village_hall or similar, and many amenity=community_centre will also cope with events, but presumably other things as well. There was also a short discussion on IRC about places offering wedding facilities (usually pubs, restaurants or hotels with separate or additional facilities). I certainly noticed in Poland that many hotels restaurants businesses revolve around the traditional 2-3 day wedding party. Jerry On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Michael Collinson mj.collin...@gmail.comwrote: On 23/08/2013 12:07, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the map) I'm not sure if I can quote the website in this case as Google may have a database copyright on it. I generally only quote websites if they are advertised on the geographic site itself. In this case, the building was strangely anonymous, other than the name and the car parking arrangements. The bottom line is do we add the fine detail? ... places like Lumley are a My feeling is that the query/rendering tools can throw away excess detail, but cannot generate detail that is not there. I think the limit has to be set by when a reasonably intelligent person cannot distinguish between two categories (which is not to say that in the grey world in which we live, many if not most things will fall close to borderlines). Agreed. Our eating place is a grey blurry categorisation is a good example that works well and internationally: fast_food cafe restaurant with the fine detail, and what that means in different part of the world, left to specific precise detail tags, such cuisine. Waterways is probably another one. Great for initial identification and general classification, but if you want to use it a canoeist or angler, more arcane/precise info is needed. [whips Mr. Pedantic hat on, for I am in that mood today.] Thinking on those lines, and applying it to the non-GB countries that I map in, I suggest that : 1) the main topic of conversation is an Event hall, as suggested: A (most likely single) building with its dominant function being a (most likely single) large space with flat area that can host meals, dances, presentations, entertainment and other ad hoc events. May have ancilliary facilities such as side rooms, toilets, kitchen, stage. May be publicly or privately run. 2) An Event centre or Conference centre being typically a larger enterprise with a group of facilities including one or more of: large event spaces, meeting rooms, dining facilities, accommodation. May also have small sport/relaxation facilities, park land. Accommodation is NOT usually offered for ordinary visitors or drive by. [Lots of these in Sweden, hence my interest.] 3) A hotel, as we already use it, conversely may have all the features of an event centre but a major function is to provide accommodation to ordinary and drive-by visitors. Mike __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
