Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim and postcodes

[Dan S]

Search engine has answers:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/FAQ#My_postcode_is_missing.2Fwrong_but_I.27ve_fixed_it_in_the_OSM_data._What_is_wrong.3F

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/22731/nominatim-returns-no-results-when-searching-with-a-postcode



2018-01-10 14:49 GMT+00:00 Mark Goodge :
> I tried searching on OSM for a postcode, which I know exists, but it
> returned zero entries from Nominatim. Other postcode searches work fine.
>
> Can anyone tell me where Nominatim gets its data from for a postcode search,
> and how often it's updated?
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim and postcodes

[SK53]

You'd probably get more accurate answers by asking on the Nominatim list.

AFAIK it uses Codepoint Open, but I have no idea if this gets refreshed
regularly, see
https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/blob/master/data/gb_postcode_table.sql
.

Jerry

On 10 January 2018 at 14:49, Mark Goodge  wrote:

> I tried searching on OSM for a postcode, which I know exists, but it
> returned zero entries from Nominatim. Other postcode searches work fine.
>
> Can anyone tell me where Nominatim gets its data from for a postcode
> search, and how often it's updated?
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim and postcodes

[David Woolley]

On 10/01/18 14:49, Mark Goodge wrote:
I tried searching on OSM for a postcode, which I know exists, but it 
returned zero entries from Nominatim. Other postcode searches work fine.


Can anyone tell me where Nominatim gets its data from for a postcode 
search, and how often it's updated?




I assume it gets it from the map, in which case it gets updated when 
mappers update it, which, for many places means that they have never 
been provided.


The problem with postcodes is that they are owned by Royal Mail, who 
consider them a valuable piece of intellectual property.  Post codes get 
entered into OSM based on post code centroid information that is release 
through OS with a suitable sub-licence.  As the result of extracting 
post codes from signs on building, and similar sources, and as a result 
of taking them from certain database with an open licence, where the 
postcodes were contributed by the operators of the premises, in 
particular, the Food Standards Agency's Food Hygiene Rating System database.


As such, it is very difficult to get reliable post codes for domestic 
premises, as it would basically require a house to house survey.


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[Talk-GB] Nominatim and postcodes

[Mark Goodge]

I tried searching on OSM for a postcode, which I know exists, but it 
returned zero entries from Nominatim. Other postcode searches work fine.


Can anyone tell me where Nominatim gets its data from for a postcode 
search, and how often it's updated?


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

[Philip Barnes]

It is something that will need looking at, can someone look at the Derby or 
London sites. The press releases mention 30 minutes and wifi which is certainly 
not compatible with a forecourt.

Shell may see the site as a single object but in OSM terms it is several. Fuel, 
shop, parking etc.

The import missed many MSA filling stations due to seeing them as a single 
object whilst in OSM terms they are two. The filling stations for cars and 
trucks at Telford are separated by a road. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 10 January 2018 12:36:19 GMT+00:00, Rob Nickerson 
 wrote:
>A lot of industry players are working on forecourt style charging using
>circa 5minute high power chargers. See for example the recent shell
>announcement.
>
>When this happens then the ev charging points may look very similar to
>a
>regular petrol station. We don't map individual petrol pumps so
>probably
>need something suitable here too.
>
>On 10 Jan 2018 10:04 a.m., "Ed Loach"  wrote:
>
>> It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as
>only
>> for nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump start
>cars
>> on petrol station forecourts, I suspect that any charging stations
>will be
>> positioned far enough from the pumps area that a separate node to
>indicate
>> the location makes sense. Most that I’ve seen so far have been in
>parking
>> areas (supermarkets, Center Parcs, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 09 January 2018 23:25
>> *To:* Talk-GB 
>> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just to let you know that I have re-set up the TagInfo scripts that
>get
>> daily data about our quarterly projects. I hadn't realised that it
>had
>> stopped some time in mid-2017 so assume not many people use this.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a reminder, it is a script that collects data from TagInfo UK on a
>> daily basis and saves it to a google spreadsheet. I have set it up to
>track
>> amenity=fuel for this quarterly project:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CE
>> XB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Do we want one as well for amenity=charging_station? I'm personally
>not
>> sure as it looks like in the future there will be a roll out of EV
>> super-chargers at existing amenity=fuel sites rather than at
>stand-alone
>> charging facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. How do I indicate that a petrol station also has EV charging
>> capability? The wiki on fuels [1] doesn't allow for this and only
>mentions
>> electricity in the case of BBQs!
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel
>>
>>
>> *Rob*
>>

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

[Rob Nickerson]

A lot of industry players are working on forecourt style charging using
circa 5minute high power chargers. See for example the recent shell
announcement.

When this happens then the ev charging points may look very similar to a
regular petrol station. We don't map individual petrol pumps so probably
need something suitable here too.

On 10 Jan 2018 10:04 a.m., "Ed Loach"  wrote:

> It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as only
> for nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump start cars
> on petrol station forecourts, I suspect that any charging stations will be
> positioned far enough from the pumps area that a separate node to indicate
> the location makes sense. Most that I’ve seen so far have been in parking
> areas (supermarkets, Center Parcs, etc.)
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 09 January 2018 23:25
> *To:* Talk-GB 
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just to let you know that I have re-set up the TagInfo scripts that get
> daily data about our quarterly projects. I hadn't realised that it had
> stopped some time in mid-2017 so assume not many people use this.
>
>
>
> As a reminder, it is a script that collects data from TagInfo UK on a
> daily basis and saves it to a google spreadsheet. I have set it up to track
> amenity=fuel for this quarterly project:
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CE
> XB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Do we want one as well for amenity=charging_station? I'm personally not
> sure as it looks like in the future there will be a roll out of EV
> super-chargers at existing amenity=fuel sites rather than at stand-alone
> charging facilities.
>
>
>
> p.s. How do I indicate that a petrol station also has EV charging
> capability? The wiki on fuels [1] doesn't allow for this and only mentions
> electricity in the case of BBQs!
>
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel
>
>
> *Rob*
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

[Jez Nicholson]

We have a couple of charging points in Brighton lanes. Pavement-side, with
reserved parking spaces.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:29 Philip Barnes,  wrote:

> Also in the car park at motorway service areas.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> On 10 January 2018 10:04:51 GMT+00:00, Ed Loach  wrote:
>>
>> It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as only
>> for nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump start cars
>> on petrol station forecourts, I suspect that any charging stations will be
>> positioned far enough from the pumps area that a separate node to indicate
>> the location makes sense. Most that I’ve seen so far have been in parking
>> areas (supermarkets, Center Parcs, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 09 January 2018 23:25
>> *To:* Talk-GB 
>> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just to let you know that I have re-set up the TagInfo scripts that get
>> daily data about our quarterly projects. I hadn't realised that it had
>> stopped some time in mid-2017 so assume not many people use this.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a reminder, it is a script that collects data from TagInfo UK on a
>> daily basis and saves it to a google spreadsheet. I have set it up to track
>> amenity=fuel for this quarterly project:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Do we want one as well for amenity=charging_station? I'm personally not
>> sure as it looks like in the future there will be a roll out of EV
>> super-chargers at existing amenity=fuel sites rather than at stand-alone
>> charging facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. How do I indicate that a petrol station also has EV charging
>> capability? The wiki on fuels [1] doesn't allow for this and only mentions
>> electricity in the case of BBQs!
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel
>>
>>
>> *Rob*
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

[Philip Barnes]

Also in the car park at motorway service areas.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 10 January 2018 10:04:51 GMT+00:00, Ed Loach  wrote:
>It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as
>only for nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump
>start cars on petrol station forecourts, I suspect that any charging
>stations will be positioned far enough from the pumps area that a
>separate node to indicate the location makes sense. Most that I’ve seen
>so far have been in parking areas (supermarkets, Center Parcs, etc.)
>
> 
>
>From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: 09 January 2018 23:25
>To: Talk-GB 
>Subject: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations
>
> 
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just to let you know that I have re-set up the TagInfo scripts that get
>daily data about our quarterly projects. I hadn't realised that it had
>stopped some time in mid-2017 so assume not many people use this.
>
> 
>
>As a reminder, it is a script that collects data from TagInfo UK on a
>daily basis and saves it to a google spreadsheet. I have set it up to
>track amenity=fuel for this quarterly project:
>
> 
>
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> 
>
>Do we want one as well for amenity=charging_station? I'm personally not
>sure as it looks like in the future there will be a roll out of EV
>super-chargers at existing amenity=fuel sites rather than at
>stand-alone charging facilities.
>
> 
>
>p.s. How do I indicate that a petrol station also has EV charging
>capability? The wiki on fuels [1] doesn't allow for this and only
>mentions electricity in the case of BBQs!
>
> 
>
>[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel
>
>
>
>
>Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

[Ed Loach]

It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as only for 
nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump start cars on 
petrol station forecourts, I suspect that any charging stations will be 
positioned far enough from the pumps area that a separate node to indicate the 
location makes sense. Most that I’ve seen so far have been in parking areas 
(supermarkets, Center Parcs, etc.)

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 January 2018 23:25
To: Talk-GB 
Subject: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

 

Hi all,

Just to let you know that I have re-set up the TagInfo scripts that get daily 
data about our quarterly projects. I hadn't realised that it had stopped some 
time in mid-2017 so assume not many people use this.

 

As a reminder, it is a script that collects data from TagInfo UK on a daily 
basis and saves it to a google spreadsheet. I have set it up to track 
amenity=fuel for this quarterly project:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit?usp=sharing

 

Do we want one as well for amenity=charging_station? I'm personally not sure as 
it looks like in the future there will be a roll out of EV super-chargers at 
existing amenity=fuel sites rather than at stand-alone charging facilities.

 

p.s. How do I indicate that a petrol station also has EV charging capability? 
The wiki on fuels [1] doesn't allow for this and only mentions electricity in 
the case of BBQs!

 

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel




Rob

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