Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Paul Norman]

On 2018-07-10 2:00 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
ESRI's free maps can be accessed as server-side tiles. See 
Leaflet-providers for some examples:


https://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/

I'm not sure of the licence restrictions which apply to them, or any 
rate limits. But, from a technical point of view, it's just as easy to 
use as OSM Carto tiles. 


The ESRI layers listed on leaflet-providers are from a different host, 
and looking at URLs, I wasn't able to get raster tiles from the new 
vector basemap.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Mark Goodge]

On 10/07/2018 21:10, Paul Norman wrote:

On 2018-07-10 12:30 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:


I think it's a positive. One of the biggest issues with large-scale 
use of OSM is that OSM's own tile server isn't suited for high-volume 
use, but most of the alternative tile servers are rate-limited and 
require payment for larger volumes. If ESRI's tile server will, as the 
blog post suggests, be free to access, then it will be a more useful 
alternative for users who don't have the resources to host their own 
tile server.


It's not the same as OpenStreetMap Carto. OpenStreetMap Carto is written 
in CartoCSS and rendered server-side, what they have uses client-side 
rendering and lots of ESRI technology.


ESRI's free maps can be accessed as server-side tiles. See 
Leaflet-providers for some examples:


https://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/

I'm not sure of the licence restrictions which apply to them, or any 
rate limits. But, from a technical point of view, it's just as easy to 
use as OSM Carto tiles.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Simon Wetton]

Hi.

Can anyone assist with a query for a new user.

I want to allow limited access for a set of roads. It is a private estate with 
permission access for certain users but not general access for all but it does 
require navigation permission so it will allow a navigation app ability to plot 
a route and Ellie access. There is paid entry or free entry based upon your 
status but I don’t know how to tag the access -can you advise?

Kind regards
Simon Wetton 
 
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> On 10 Jul 2018, at 21:10, Paul Norman  wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-07-10 12:30 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
>> 
>> I think it's a positive. One of the biggest issues with large-scale use of 
>> OSM is that OSM's own tile server isn't suited for high-volume use, but most 
>> of the alternative tile servers are rate-limited and require payment for 
>> larger volumes. If ESRI's tile server will, as the blog post suggests, be 
>> free to access, then it will be a more useful alternative for users who 
>> don't have the resources to host their own tile server.
> 
> It's not the same as OpenStreetMap Carto. OpenStreetMap Carto is written in 
> CartoCSS and rendered server-side, what they have uses client-side rendering 
> and lots of ESRI technology.
> 
>> I think a more granular update schedule is unlikely to be an issue for most 
>> users. Even "every few weeks" is going to be a lot better than Bing and 
>> Google.
> 
> Yes, every few weeks is more than fast enough for most uses. osm.org is 
> different because it's part of the feedback cycle, so minutely updates 
> matter. Quarterly updates are common with many maps.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Dan S]

Great. No problem here with commercial suppliers rehosting osm data as
long as there's clear attribution and licensing, which there is. This
could be useful for many "read-only" users and potentially relieve
some load on the main osm tileserver since it could fulfil various of
their needs.

For my taste, they should probably be clearer in the naming. Instead
of name it as "OpenStreetMap", it would be better to say this is
"OpenStreetMap carto vector rendering", or something less clunky but
not just osm. Else there's a risk of some users believing that what
they get there is the only form in which osm data can be expressed.

Best
Dan


2018-07-10 20:16 GMT+01:00 Jez Nicholson :
> https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=fae788aa91e54244b161b59725dcbb2a
>
> "...updated every few weeks..." is not so great
>
> "...freely available for any user or developer..." sounds good
>
> discuss
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Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Paul Norman]

On 2018-07-10 12:30 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:


I think it's a positive. One of the biggest issues with large-scale 
use of OSM is that OSM's own tile server isn't suited for high-volume 
use, but most of the alternative tile servers are rate-limited and 
require payment for larger volumes. If ESRI's tile server will, as the 
blog post suggests, be free to access, then it will be a more useful 
alternative for users who don't have the resources to host their own 
tile server.


It's not the same as OpenStreetMap Carto. OpenStreetMap Carto is written 
in CartoCSS and rendered server-side, what they have uses client-side 
rendering and lots of ESRI technology.


I think a more granular update schedule is unlikely to be an issue for 
most users. Even "every few weeks" is going to be a lot better than 
Bing and Google.


Yes, every few weeks is more than fast enough for most uses. osm.org is 
different because it's part of the feedback cycle, so minutely updates 
matter. Quarterly updates are common with many maps.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath project - tools

[Rob Nickerson]

Yes, wonderful - thanks.

Will be fun to see the numbers each day.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 13:55 Brian Prangle,  wrote:

> Fantastic work Harry! Thanks very much
>
> Rgds
>
> Brian
>
> On 9 July 2018 at 23:22, Harry Wood  wrote:
>
>> Alright then Rob! Here we go. The "footpaths edit tracker":
>> https://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/footpaths/
>>
>> So far 89 people have done 1214 edits to objects with the
>> designation=public_footpath tag.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Sunday, 8 July 2018, 16:55:27 BST, Rob Nickerson <
>> rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking back at the schools one, it would be amazing if Harry's tool
>> could be adapted to the designation=public_footpath (and others) tag. Is
>> this possible?
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Mark Goodge]

On 10/07/2018 20:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:

https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=fae788aa91e54244b161b59725dcbb2a

"...updated every few weeks..." is not so great

"...freely available for any user or developer..." sounds good

discuss


I think it's a positive. One of the biggest issues with large-scale use 
of OSM is that OSM's own tile server isn't suited for high-volume use, 
but most of the alternative tile servers are rate-limited and require 
payment for larger volumes. If ESRI's tile server will, as the blog post 
suggests, be free to access, then it will be a more useful alternative 
for users who don't have the resources to host their own tile server.


I think a more granular update schedule is unlikely to be an issue for 
most users. Even "every few weeks" is going to be a lot better than Bing 
and Google.


Mark

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[Talk-GB] Closed software supplier ESRI creates OSM vector tile basemap

[Jez Nicholson]

https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=fae788aa91e54244b161b59725dcbb2a

"...updated every few weeks..." is not so great

"...freely available for any user or developer..." sounds good

discuss
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Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath project - tools

[Brian Prangle]

Fantastic work Harry! Thanks very much

Rgds

Brian

On 9 July 2018 at 23:22, Harry Wood  wrote:

> Alright then Rob! Here we go. The "footpaths edit tracker":
> https://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/footpaths/
>
> So far 89 people have done 1214 edits to objects with the
> designation=public_footpath tag.
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>  On Sunday, 8 July 2018, 16:55:27 BST, Rob Nickerson <
> rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking back at the schools one, it would be amazing if Harry's tool could
> be adapted to the designation=public_footpath (and others) tag. Is this
> possible?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hi, the Chrome issue now seems to be fixed.

Technical info if you're interested: the fetch() API for sending AJAX requests 
does not send the session cookie by default in Chrome unless the 'credentials' 
option is set to 'include'.


See:


https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/introduction-to-fetch



If you want to try editing with Chrome, please use Ctrl+F5 to force a reload of 
the cache.


Nick


From: Nick Whitelegg 
Sent: 09 July 2018 09:03:08
To: Andrew Black
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref



OK, sorry.. there appears to be an issue with Chrome. Not got time to 
investigate right now, but will reply when I've found the problem.


Just tested, I can edit in Firefox but getting the error in Chrome.


Nick



From: Andrew Black 
Sent: 08 July 2018 21:09:29
To: Nick Whitelegg
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref

I am getting "your editing session has timed out, please log in again." despite 
having logged in less than a minute earlier.
Chrome if it is relevant

Thanks

On 7 July 2018 at 19:45, Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> wrote:


401 would mean you're not logged in.. when you login it stores your OAuth token 
in a session, which expires after a certain time (15 minutes I think, need to 
check the configuration).


I'll modify the code when I have a moment so that if it gives a 401 it comes up 
with a more friendly message to tell the user they need to log back in.


I have changed the code slightly to reduce the risk of caching old versions of 
the JavsScript.


Nick



From: Rob Nickerson 
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 07 July 2018 18:20:15

To: Nick Whitelegg
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref

Still having issues.

I was getting the correct message box but now I just get "OpenStreetMap 
returned an error: code 401".

BTW: I am adding designation but no prow_ref. For now I will continue with JOSM.

Rob


On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 at 17:38, Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> wrote:


Hello Rob,


To add to Martin's comment, try using Ctrl+F5 on MapThePaths itself as you 
might be using a cached old version of the scripts.


When you add a designation and/or prow_ref, an alert box reading 'Way NNN 
successfully updated in OSM' should appear. Does this appear?


The way you mentioned doesn't seem to have any edits even after refreshing.


Nick



From: Rob Nickerson 
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 07 July 2018 12:37:26
To: Nick Whitelegg
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref

In that case it is not working for me. Username is RobJN (with capitalisation). 
Tried to edit a few ways including this one:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/454674177

Anyone else having success? problems?

Thanks,
Rob


On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 at 11:10, Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> wrote:


Hello Rob,


Should be immediate: for example I've added a number of prow_ref tags in just 
the last few minutes. See:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/60485630


One update today BTW - formerly each edit had a separate changeset, which 
wasn't ideal. Now multiple edits in one session are grouped into a single 
changeset.


Let me know if you're still having problems; let me know what edits you're 
trying to do and I'll try and reproduce them.


Nick



From: Rob Nickerson 
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 06 July 2018 23:42:41
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Nick Whitelegg
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] MapThePaths update: live edit of designation and prow_ref

Hi Nick,

How long does it take for the edits to go through to OSM? I expected it to be 
live but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Thanks,
Rob

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