Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs
0> In article <1535573378846-0.p...@n8.nabble.com>,
0> Richard Fairhurst mailto:rich...@systemed.net> ("Richard") wrote:
Richard> Toby Speight wrote:
>> That's why we have
>> rendering rules - if you don't like the rendering, change the rules.
Richard> What you're suggesting would imply that every worldwide site using
Richard> OSM data to display a consumer-facing map, or provide routing,
Richard> needs to write a special exception for Great Britain. With the
Richard> best will in the world, that doesn't and isn't going to happen. (I
Richard> think only one such site does so, and it's the one I run!)
Yeah, it seems that most don't make use of country-level tags, and
that's unfortunate: it leads to the situation we have now where every
mini-roundabout also has to have a "direction" tag instead of the router
just reading a country-level tag (hypothetically, "drives_on=left").
I guess the problem is that the API doesn't return enclosing areas like
it returns containing relations, so it's harder to see from a tile what
adminstrative region it's in.
Richard> Dave's edit (minutiae about highway_authority_ref vs
Richard> unsigned_ref vs official_ref aside[1]) brings this country into
Richard> line with how most of the rest of the world does it: the ref=
Richard> tag is for signposted references. See how
Richard> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref#Examples_on_ways
Richard> refers to "on the ground", "on the signs", "the usage on the
Richard> signs".
That text appears to be talking about whether refs include spaces or
hyphens, not whether to use ref or another tag (if there is another tag
that's understood worldwide, then it makes sense to do the same - but it
should be listed with Key:ref on the tag wiki so it can be found).
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland
Op ma 3 sep. 2018 om 19:06 schreef Toby Speight :
>
> >> Even in these days of Brexit, I don't think there's any movement for
> >> Northern Ireland to leave GB. You've been misinformed!
>
> 0> In article ,
> 0> Martin Wynne mailto:mar...@templot.com> ("Martin") wrote:
>
> Martin> Northern Ireland is part of the UK but it's not part of GB.
>
> But UK is just an informal name for GB - The United Kingdom of Great
> Britain and Northern Ireland. It even has "Northern Ireland" in the
> name. GB without Northern Ireland would just be England, Scotland and
> Wales or the island of Britain.
Please allow me to differ: "UK is an informal name for GB" is not
completely correct. The naming of these islands is utterly confusing -
I blame history! This wikipedia page and the Venn diagram are useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles
So. The official name of the state is "The United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland". Often abbreviated to "UK". "Great
Britain", often abbreviated to "GB", is the name for that biggest
island within that state. HOWEVER, that doesn't settle the matter,
because "GB" is also used officially to refer to the UK (in
particular, via ISO3166).
So if we see the initials "GB" without any context, we can't work out
if the intention is to include NI or not - but in practice, people are
usually referring to the whole state, and often don't know there's any
difference.
Of course, all this terminological back-and-forth is pedantic and I'm
sorry to extend it, since the original issues are more important for
us. I repeat my call for the "talk-gb" moderators to update the
description on https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb to
explicitly say it's for all of the UK, if indeed it is. That way, we
have an anchoring point that could settle these discussions nicely...
Best
Dan
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland
>> Even in these days of Brexit, I don't think there's any movement for
>> Northern Ireland to leave GB. You've been misinformed!
0> In article ,
0> Martin Wynne mailto:mar...@templot.com> ("Martin") wrote:
Martin> Northern Ireland is part of the UK but it's not part of GB.
But UK is just an informal name for GB - The United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland. It even has "Northern Ireland" in the
name. GB without Northern Ireland would just be England, Scotland and
Wales or the island of Britain.
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