Re: [Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

[Gareth L]

It’s easy to forget that OSM is a geographically referenced database of 
objects. That just happens to be rendered as a map. If you want to know how 
many post boxes have the George the 5th cypher, you can query the database to 
find out. If you want to limit that by geographic bounds (say, a city’s limits) 
then great, you can do that.

Google maps things to keep people in their ecosystem and find more out about 
where people want to go. They care most about points of interest so they can 
advertise accordingly, or suggest to those points of interest/businesses that 
they may want to pay google money so they get seen better than they would do 
normally. It’s why cities have streetview data barely a year old, but country 
roads are 7 years out of date. There’s little money in covering it.

Roads/lane markings are getting a lot of attention because of assistive driving 
system development causing a shedload of money being pumped into that area of 
interest.

I like adding to OSM as a pedestrian. It’s annoying to walk a circuitous route 
to a shop only to find there’s an alleyway that will take you there in 10% of 
the time.

The freely available database allows interesting data to be presented with low 
barrier to entry. As academia finds, it’s annoying to have to pay to view a 
journal behind a paywall, when you dunno if it even has the info you want.

A couple weaknesses for the main OSM ‘map’ I’ve found:
Transport routes (particularly buses) change too frequently and would be better 
as a separate service that is overlaid onto an OSM derived map.

All the different features that people have as priorities to add are valid, but 
it’s sometimes tricky to figure out the best order to add them in. Why add all 
the stiles and gates to a field before you have the footpaths added? Or adding 
bins and benches by roads before defining what kind of pavement/sidewalk it 
has.*

A couple Strengths of OSM:

Updates are fast. Google/bing are less fast at updating areas, and especially 
so if in a quiet region. OS only publish a new paper map when the old one has 
gone out of print, meaning the Leicestershire map is more out of date than the 
more popular peak district ones.

If you want more info available on xyz feature.. you can add it, and encourage 
others to do so also.


So, back to the philosophical question: I’d say it’s all important. However, 
the order that things are best added to the map could be helpful to know. Not 
in a tollgate “don’t add z until qrstuvwxy has been added first” way, but 
knowing what additional information is enabled to be added as a result of you 
adding a certain feature.

*sidewalks are such a nightmare in general in osm with no easy approach on how 
to best add them, it seems.

Not an easy question!
Gareth

From: BD
Sent: 13 January 2019 23:10
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Subject: [Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

Hi All,

I do make my little contribution to the effort of OSM. Recently I added some 
data to Mapillary and consider adding more (for the use of other mappers).

After reading someone's OSM profile I started to think and now have some 
doubts... We (mappers) are concentrating on various areas of the map. Some are 
dedicated to buildings, some to geographical features others add businesses 
etc. Can someone explain what is the aim of OSM, are we trying to build a map 
better than Bing and Google (in towns and cities) or are we planning to create 
a useful tool for tourists (with paths, places of interests)?

What is the aim of OSM, what should we concentrate on?
Should we map roads for sat-nav or buildings for urban area accuracy? Paths and 
tourists attractions or schools and electric cars charging points?

many thanks,
dzidek23

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Re: [Talk-GB] [SUSPECT] I have a philosophical question...

[Dave F]

The aim of OSM is to map the physical world. As long as it's physical & 
static, you can map it. Add whatever interests you. Remember there are 
numerous renderings of the OSM database concentrating on different, 
specific subjects.


If you wish to concentrate on one specific aspect, you may wish ot 
contribute to:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Project

DaveF


01/2019 23:09, BD wrote:

Hi All,

I do make my little contribution to the effort of OSM. Recently I 
added some data to Mapillary and consider adding more (for the use of 
other mappers).


After reading someone's OSM profile I started to think and now have 
some doubts... We (mappers) are concentrating on various areas of the 
map. Some are dedicated to buildings, some to geographical features 
others add businesses etc. Can someone explain what is the aim of OSM, 
are we trying to build a map better than Bing and Google (in towns and 
cities) or are we planning to create a useful tool for tourists (with 
paths, places of interests)?


What is the aim of OSM, what should we concentrate on?
Should we map roads for sat-nav or buildings for urban area accuracy? 
Paths and tourists attractions or schools and electric cars charging 
points?


many thanks,
dzidek23


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Re: [Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

[Warin]

On 14/01/19 10:09, BD wrote:

Hi All,

I do make my little contribution to the effort of OSM. Recently I 
added some data to Mapillary and consider adding more (for the use of 
other mappers).


After reading someone's OSM profile I started to think and now have 
some doubts... We (mappers) are concentrating on various areas of the 
map. Some are dedicated to buildings, some to geographical features 
others add businesses etc. Can someone explain what is the aim of OSM, 
are we trying to build a map better than Bing and Google (in towns and 
cities) or are we planning to create a useful tool for tourists (with 
paths, places of interests)?


What is the aim of OSM, what should we concentrate on?


"We"?
OSM is a collection of individuals.
"We" all contribute what 'we' want to contribute.
If it was dictated that only contributions for 'x' are to be made then 
vast numbers of people would leave.


The aim of OSM? To map the world?

Whatever contribution that an individual choses to make to improve the 
map should be accepted.

I map in deserts. I map sports. I map all sorts of things.
What you chose to map is up to you.
A group may get together and chose to concentrate on some features, up 
to those individuals as to how much they contribute to that effort.


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[Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

[Rob Nickerson]

A while ago we had an idea of creating a "top 10" list of things to focus
on. Ideas welcome.

Best,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] I have a philosophical question...

[BD]

Hi All,   I do make my little contribution to the effort of OSM. Recently I 
added some data to Mapillary and consider adding more (for the use of other 
mappers).   After reading someones OSM profile I started to think and now 
have some doubts... We (mappers) are concentrating on various areas of the map. 
Some are dedicated to buildings, some to geographical features others add 
businesses etc. Can someone explain what is the aim of OSM, are we trying to 
build a map better than Bing and Google (in towns and cities) or are we 
planning to create a useful tool for tourists (with paths, places of 
interests)?   What is the aim of OSM, what should we concentrate on?   Should 
we map roads for sat-nav  or buildings for urban area accuracy? Paths and 
tourists attractions or schools and electric cars charging points?   many 
thanks,  dzidek23
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Re: [Talk-GB] Greater London Authority

[Simon Poole]

The OGl doesn't make any statements on the status of third party (in
this case OSMs) content included in the published dataset.

On 13.01.2019 11:31, Brian Prangle wrote:
> Does anyone have any contacts in GLA? Came across this entry  at
> dat.gov.uk
> 
>  
> wich was entered in November 2018 so pretty recent. It's  a good write
> up of OSM and offering practical tips on how to use OSM data and also
> with some data extracts pubished under OGL ( does our licence allow this?)
>
> Rgrds
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> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Greater London Authority

[SK53]

The reference to Information Freeway suggests it's based on pretty old info
which no longer works

There are also Greater London extracts from Geofabrik (& possibly BBBike).

The page could do with some updates.

Jerry

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 10:33, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Does anyone have any contacts in GLA? Came across this entry  at
> dat.gov.uk
> 
> wich was entered in November 2018 so pretty recent. It's  a good write up
> of OSM and offering practical tips on how to use OSM data and also with
> some data extracts pubished under OGL ( does our licence allow this?)
>
> Rgrds
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Greater London Authority

[Dan S]

Hi

They're not exactly offering OSM data extracts under OGL. In fact
they're cross-linking to Geofabrik's data extract downloads. The page
simply has a mistake on it where it says "Licence: Open Government
Licence" at the top, and that needs fixing. If anyone has a contact
please do send them a friendly message!

Dan

Op zo 13 jan. 2019 om 10:33 schreef Brian Prangle :
>
> Does anyone have any contacts in GLA? Came across this entry  at dat.gov.uk  
> wich was entered in November 2018 so pretty recent. It's  a good write up of 
> OSM and offering practical tips on how to use OSM data and also with some 
> data extracts pubished under OGL ( does our licence allow this?)
>
> Rgrds
>
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[Talk-GB] Greater London Authority

[Brian Prangle]

Does anyone have any contacts in GLA? Came across this entry  at dat.gov.uk

wich was entered in November 2018 so pretty recent. It's  a good write up
of OSM and offering practical tips on how to use OSM data and also with
some data extracts pubished under OGL ( does our licence allow this?)

Rgrds

Brian
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