Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Solar panel mapping in the UK
Hi all, Thanks for the comments on solar panel mapping. (Plenty of mapping happening already: thousands of UK solar panels added to the database in the past month.) A few small responses: SOLAR FARMS: I'll defer to Russ's tagging advice about solar farms: power=plant polygon (or sometimes multipolygon) as the outline of a solar farm, with power=generator areas contained within it for the blocks of panels. Previously, I was mapping solar farms as relations, but I'm easily persuaded! I don't have any advice about landuse/landcover other than that it's a fairly separate issue, since those tags are not essential to the solar power mapping. I've been adding some solar farms that are listed in the REPD list on the wiki. For those ones I've used a tag "repd:id=*" which I hope makes it easy to identify them using the ID number in that database. Some solar farms have more than one entry in the REPD (they submit a new application form when they have an expansion). ROOFTOP SOLAR: For various reasons, if we can get solar installations mapped as areas not just nodes, that'll be helpful. Areas will be more useful than module-counting. However, I've noted that the imagery doesn't always make this easy for rooftop solar: clarity is variable per region. Is there any good way to tag the vertical tilt of a panel? I know in many cases we won't be able to measure it well, but I thought I'd ask. For example, there's roof:angle=* for the slope of a roof, which is a mildly related concept. Cheers Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Solar data
Hey Rob, On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 22:30, Rob Nickerson wrote: > As the image (linked to below) from a WPD public webinar shows it is not easy > to map separate solar sites based in a single location. No way to tell which > panels belong to which site from aerial imagery alone. Hah! That's a particularly pathological case, and I think it's a situation where an extension project has been given a different name from the original farm. A quick glance at the REPD indicates that Copley Wood doesn't appear as an installation - I suspect it might be down as "Higher Hill" and "Higher Hill (extension)" which would make more sense. If that's the case I'd be inclined to map the entire area as "Higher Hill" with the combined output of both. What we don't have at the moment is any accepted way of dealing with extensions and other sub-divisions of power plants. This is especially problematic with some solar farms (especially older ones), which started out as a very small installation but were significantly extended later. I think they should be represented as a single entity - at least at the top level - as the distinction between various phases/extensions is really only of academic interest. > The Renewable Energy Planning Database is one source of info. The government > have outsourced the task of tracking the growth of renewables to the company > listed on the file. They look at planning applications and speak with > developers. The capacity data is not always right as a developer may change > their plans. Also there are cases where some Wind sites are split into 2 as > the cross an admin boundary. In reality it is one Wind Farm site. I'm trying to massage the REPD data into a more easily browsable format (with clear licensing) at the moment - I'll see if I can get some of those other datasets in there as well. Cheers, -- Russ Garrett r...@garrett.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Solar data
Hi all, Been watching the thread on Solar. A couple of comments. 1 Boundaries. As the image (linked to below) from a WPD public webinar shows it is not easy to map separate solar sites based in a single location. No way to tell which panels belong to which site from aerial imagery alone. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93bT3FoS2lBVXZQRzNMTkgzVTg1ZE9GbHVwTXZj/view?usp=sharing 2 Data The Renewable Energy Planning Database is one source of info. The government have outsourced the task of tracking the growth of renewables to the company listed on the file. They look at planning applications and speak with developers. The capacity data is not always right as a developer may change their plans. Also there are cases where some Wind sites are split into 2 as the cross an admin boundary. In reality it is one Wind Farm site. Other, potentially more useful sources are the Renewable Obligation register (the register by which subsidies are paid) which includes generating station address. For smaller sites the equivalent is the Feed In Tarriff data. This incudes the first part of the postcode and the LSOA (ONS area). Finally there is REGO (Renewable Energy Guarantees Origin). This is the database to large sites register on if they want to sell renewable energy to a supplier and the supplier wants proof it is coming from a renewable source. Like the RO it has generating station address. https://www.renewablesandchp.ofgem.gov.uk/ https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications-and-updates/feed-tariff-installation-report-31-december-2018 Best regards, *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] (no subject)
I see that Geospatial Commission's innovation project winners have been announced https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-awarded-to-innovative-data-projects (scroll to the bottom for the list) OSMUK were assisting one of the bidding consortiums, but they unfortunately didn't get through. I can see Cyclestreets on there as well as Beeline. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Wiki UK pages
Possibly. People don't use category pages that often, but when they do it is for a high-level overview or they are hunting for something. Better to have fewer categories with more things in each than a deep, sparse tree. So, Events in the United Kingdom is probably a useful category as there are lots of them. Events in UK/Events in Brighton goes too far. Quarterly Projects in the United Kingdom could hide away things like one was about Post Offices. It is very subjective. Perhaps we could formulate opinions ready to make a plan at the AGM? I know that Harry did/does a lot of work on this. On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:16 SK53, wrote: > A few points about the UK category with a view to making it slightly more > usable, particularly for someone not familiar with the project. > >1. I think any page of the form XXX/YYY should not be in the top UK >category: I doubt if many people are interested in Birmingham Trees or the >Broadmarsh bus station redevelopment outside the local areas. Perhaps a >local projects category to dump them in for now. >2. I think all the individual quarterly project pages don't need to >appear in the UK category either. >3. All Open Data sources (OS, Lidar, Natural England etc) should be in >their own sub-category >4. OSM UK logos should be just in the OSM UK category >5. There's no good link to pages about areas: the cities page is very >sparse. Perhaps a category for pages based on local authorities or similar >(i.e., there are a few which cover a traditional county where the county >town is a separate unitary authority). At present the English Counties is >quite a good landing page for this, but obviously doesn't cover the whole >UK. > > Jerry > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 15:05, Jez Nicholson > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> For my sins, and for being in OSMUK, I volunteered to review the UK pages >> on OSMWiki. >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom Here are >> my conclusions: >> >> 1. It being a wiki, it takes care to not tread on other peoples' toes.. I >> may have mildly perturbed a few people but I don't think (I hope) I caused >> any deep resentment...I feel that UK specific pages 'belong' to us (you, >> me, every UK mapper) and can more confidently edit them (still hesitantly) >> than global pages. >> >> 2. There were many uncategorised and orphan pages. These are now all in >> the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:United_Kingdom category >> page. This should answer the question, "what pages are managed by the UK >> OSMers?". >> >> 3. The category structures are often too deep and sub-divided to be >> useful. >> >> 4. There are many pages, probably too many. >> >> 5. Many pages were created in the early days of OSM and now state >> out-of-date information. This gives a bad impression to new users. Many >> pages are simple enough to convert into past tense, or update after >> researching. It's a living, breathing document and not a history book. >> >> 6. Creating a new page to share and document your personal projects can >> be useful, e.g. I published my work in the open as >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom >> and >> got valuable input. >> >> 7. There is no clear naming scheme for pages. I've used "xyz in the >> United Kingdom" so that they show in alphabetical order but other schemes >> are available. If pages include a '/' then this splits them into a rigid >> single hierarchy...but what should that hierarchy be? >> >> 8. ...and finally... it is easy to complain about the OSM Wiki, but it is >> ours to edit and improve. Any failings in the UK pages, at least, are ours. >> I urge you to find a subject local to you and update it, cities are a good >> place to start. Tread lightly to begin with and build up. Use the Talk tabs. >> >> Regards, >> Jez >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM Wiki UK pages
Hi all, For my sins, and for being in OSMUK, I volunteered to review the UK pages on OSMWiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom Here are my conclusions: 1. It being a wiki, it takes care to not tread on other peoples' toes.. I may have mildly perturbed a few people but I don't think (I hope) I caused any deep resentment...I feel that UK specific pages 'belong' to us (you, me, every UK mapper) and can more confidently edit them (still hesitantly) than global pages. 2. There were many uncategorised and orphan pages. These are now all in the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:United_Kingdom category page. This should answer the question, "what pages are managed by the UK OSMers?". 3. The category structures are often too deep and sub-divided to be useful. 4. There are many pages, probably too many. 5. Many pages were created in the early days of OSM and now state out-of-date information. This gives a bad impression to new users. Many pages are simple enough to convert into past tense, or update after researching. It's a living, breathing document and not a history book. 6. Creating a new page to share and document your personal projects can be useful, e.g. I published my work in the open as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom and got valuable input. 7. There is no clear naming scheme for pages. I've used "xyz in the United Kingdom" so that they show in alphabetical order but other schemes are available. If pages include a '/' then this splits them into a rigid single hierarchy...but what should that hierarchy be? 8. ...and finally... it is easy to complain about the OSM Wiki, but it is ours to edit and improve. Any failings in the UK pages, at least, are ours. I urge you to find a subject local to you and update it, cities are a good place to start. Tread lightly to begin with and build up. Use the Talk tabs. Regards, Jez ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route
Excellent, Cheers Brian. Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] Sent: 09 April 2019 22:04 To: Andy Robinson Cc: OSM Group WM Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way I'll tag it tomorrow On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson, wrote: I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon. Cheers Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire) ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
