Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Is it possible to buy any services there?

24 Sep 2019, 15:20 by tonyo...@gmail.com:

>
> I think this is all premature. The shops still have the branding,  they 
> could be taken over by a new company operating as Thomas  Cook. I Think 
> that nothing should be done until there is greater  clarity.
>
>
> Tony Shield
>
>
> TonyS999
>
> On 24/09/2019 14:10, Tadeusz Cantwell  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I have used once shop=vacant before, nowthat you mention it. 
>> Will read up on the wiki to see thedifferent intended uses for them. 
>> The old_name is an interestingoption. 
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 14:00,  Jez Nicholson <>> 
>> jez.nichol...@gmail.com >> >  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cookmyself 
>>>
>>> You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook  maybe
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34  Tadeusz Cantwell, <>>> 
>>> t4d...@gmail.com   wrote:
>>>
 I changed the three shops in N.I to  
 disused;shop=travel-agent since I wasn't sure what the  
 best practice was in this case. Not all of them had  the 
 wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?

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[Talk-GB] Overpass question: Fixmes and surroundings

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

I'm trying to craft a overpass query that returns fixmes and the
surrounding OSM data. I seem to have got it working in Overpass Turbo. I
want to use this in JOSM but it's not returning all the same Ways as seen
in Overpass Turbo.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Myw

Anyone able to help me please?

Thank you.
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Philip Barnes]

I am inclined to go with disused:shop to indicate it is no longer a  travel 
agent, but leave the name as it is likely to remain a landmark for sometime.

Our local Toys'R'Us has only recently lost its branding.

Also being careful not to remove his statue from outside Leicester railway  
station, or any other objects named after Leicester's famous son. 

Phil (trigpoint)


On Tuesday, 24 September 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 24.09.19 16:42, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
> > Something has happened. The company went into liquidation (not
> > administration under which, I believe, they could still operate) & the
> > shops have closed.
> 
> If you walk past your local shop and they are closed, by all means
> delete them or replace with "disused:shop" or "shop=vacant" if you want.
> (Though, if my local chippie had just closed yesterday and there was a
> rumour of someone else taking over the business next week I might be
> tempted to tolerate the incorrectness for a little while.)
> 
> Just don't take the lawnmower over the database and assume that
> everything that is called Thomas Cook is now closed without even looking ;)
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Silent Spike]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:38 PM Peter Neale  wrote:

> Thank you for trying to help me, but I am still confused (I'm getting used
> to that feeling!)
>
> Clearly I am missing something??
>

In your second screenshot, on the right hand toolbar, the icon ("Map Data")
underneath the "Background settings" one which you have selected. It will
open the Data panel (also shortcut F) which has "Data Layers" that can be
enabled - one of them is Notes.

I should clarify that until you hit "Edit" on the OSM website you're not
actually in the iD editor. The layers available before entering the editor
are part of the website itself, which is maintained by separately.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

My OP should indicate I'm aware of variants.
There's the head office, which I believe is still functioning as a part 
of Matterhorn, a bus stop & a statue


DaveF

On 24/09/2019 15:44, Frederik Ramm wrote:


Just don't take the lawnmower over the database and assume that
everything that is called Thomas Cook is now closed without even looking ;)





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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 24.09.19 16:42, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
> Something has happened. The company went into liquidation (not
> administration under which, I believe, they could still operate) & the
> shops have closed.

If you walk past your local shop and they are closed, by all means
delete them or replace with "disused:shop" or "shop=vacant" if you want.
(Though, if my local chippie had just closed yesterday and there was a
rumour of someone else taking over the business next week I might be
tempted to tolerate the incorrectness for a little while.)

Just don't take the lawnmower over the database and assume that
everything that is called Thomas Cook is now closed without even looking ;)

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

Something has happened. The company went into liquidation (not 
administration under which, I believe, they could still operate) & the 
shops have closed.


If your local chippy closed would you leave it mapped as still open for 
business?


On 24/09/2019 14:47, Chris Hill wrote:
Thomas Cook shops are not vacant. They may not be open to the public 
today, but they may well be reopened by a new owner in the future and 
that may even be under the Thomas Cook brand if the administrator 
sells some or all of them to another company. In the mean time they 
are still branded and still a landmark of sorts.


If a shop is emptied or reused by another firm then change that one 
otherwise I think we should wait for a while to see what happens.


cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)

On 24/09/2019 14:00, Jez Nicholson wrote:

I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook myself

You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34 Tadeusz Cantwell, > wrote:


    I changed the three shops in N.I to disused;shop=travel-agent
    since I wasn't sure what the best practice was in this case. Not
    all of them had the wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?






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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Silent Spike]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 2:40 PM Peter Neale via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Could this be changed to make all open Notes appear in the iD Edit
> window?  How could I request it?
>

There is an option to show notes under the data panel in the iD editor
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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Chris Hill]

Thomas Cook shops are not vacant. They may not be open to the public 
today, but they may well be reopened by a new owner in the future and 
that may even be under the Thomas Cook brand if the administrator sells 
some or all of them to another company. In the mean time they are still 
branded and still a landmark of sorts.


If a shop is emptied or reused by another firm then change that one 
otherwise I think we should wait for a while to see what happens.


cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)

On 24/09/2019 14:00, Jez Nicholson wrote:

I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook myself

You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34 Tadeusz Cantwell, > wrote:


I changed the three shops in N.I to disused;shop=travel-agent
since I wasn't sure what the best practice was in this case. Not
all of them had the wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

Re: shop=vacant. This is a popular alternative tag, but removes the 
previous usage from the latest version. I found knowing this helpful 
when a new shop replaces it - "There's a new café opening in what used 
to be the flower shop"

How is the name tag dealt with if disused: isn't used?

Tony.
If the shops are closed tagging them as such improves the quality of the 
database. If they are bought out lock, stock & barrel a mass swap over 
edit can be easily executed.


Cheers
Davef

On 24/09/2019 14:20, Tony OSM wrote:
I think this is all premature. The shops still have the branding, they 
could be taken over by a new company operating as Thomas Cook. I Think 
that nothing should be done until there is greater clarity.


Tony Shield

TonyS999

On 24/09/2019 14:10, Tadeusz Cantwell wrote:
Thanks, I have used once shop=vacant before, now that you mention it. 
Will read up on the wiki to see the different intended uses for them. 
The old_name is an interesting option.


On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 14:00, Jez Nicholson > wrote:


    I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook myself

    You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe

    On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34 Tadeusz Cantwell, mailto:t4d...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I changed the three shops in N.I to disused;shop=travel-agent
    since I wasn't sure what the best practice was in this case.
    Not all of them had the wiki links etc. Any advice on a better
    way?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

I too have encountered a number of Notes that have been addressed, but not 
formally "Resolved".  (e.g. the name of a business marked on a building that 
now has that name tagged)  I surmise that this is because (in the iD editor, at 
least) the Notes are not visible when in Edit mode, so the mapper adding the 
business name may be unaware that someone else has created a Note, suggesting a 
name.
Could this be changed to make all open Notes appear in the iD Edit window?  How 
could I request it?
Regards,Peter

 

On Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 13:56:09 BST, Tom Hukins  
wrote:  
 
 On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Michael Booth wrote:
> Think there should also be an effort to open notes for some fixmes which 
> require a survey, as many go unnoticed.

I'm not an extremely active mapper, but I often encounter fixmes that
have already been fixed and notes that have already been dealt with, but
the note or fixme remains open.

It's easy enough to close the note, or delete the fixme, but the risk of
the duplication you suggest is that mappers need to edit more stale
information as time passes.

If mappers follow the approach you suggest, it would be very helpful to
ensure the new notes refer to the existing fixmes, and the fixmes are
edited to refer to the new notes.

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Tadeusz Cantwell]

Thanks, I have used once shop=vacant before, now that you mention it. Will
read up on the wiki to see the different intended uses for them. The
old_name is an interesting option.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 14:00, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook myself
>
> You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe
>
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34 Tadeusz Cantwell,  wrote:
>
>> I changed the three shops in N.I to disused;shop=travel-agent since I
>> wasn't sure what the best practice was in this case. Not all of them had
>> the wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Jez Nicholson]

I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook myself

You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 13:34 Tadeusz Cantwell,  wrote:

> I changed the three shops in N.I to disused;shop=travel-agent since I
> wasn't sure what the best practice was in this case. Not all of them had
> the wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Paul Berry]

There is also this public query, courtesy of *marczoutendijk*, that you can
use for Overpass Turbo: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ltA

Regards,
*Paul*

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 13:39, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 24/09/2019 13:24, Michael Booth wrote:
> > Fixmes can only be viewed in iD or with a QA tool, while notes can be
> > viewed on osm.org and StreetComplete which is useful for actually
> > going out and surveying them.
>
> If you're a Garmin user you can use
> https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/Notes01 from the command line to get a
> list of fixmes in a certain area.  I'm sure there are other options as
> well.
>
> Best Regards,
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> Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Andy Townsend]

On 24/09/2019 13:24, Michael Booth wrote:
Fixmes can only be viewed in iD or with a QA tool, while notes can be 
viewed on osm.org and StreetComplete which is useful for actually 
going out and surveying them.


If you're a Garmin user you can use 
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/Notes01 from the command line to get a 
list of fixmes in a certain area.  I'm sure there are other options as well.


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project will be fixmes and notes

[Michael Booth]

Great idea.

Think there should also be an effort to open notes for some fixmes which 
require a survey, as many go unnoticed. Fixmes can only be viewed in iD 
or with a QA tool, while notes can be viewed on osm.org and 
StreetComplete which is useful for actually going out and surveying them.


Maybe a list of fixmes that haven't been edited in a few years would be 
good to review?


Found out about the NotesReview tool from Chris' talk - if you set the 
"to" date to 1/1/2014 or similar you can find some old notes in your 
area that perhaps have already been fixed or don't have useful info in 
them so can be resolved.


On 22/09/2019 14:14, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Hi all,

As we near the end of the current quarterly project (solar power) the 
time has come to announce the project for Quarter 4 2019.


By popular demand when discussing OSM UK's 2019/20 priority areas, the 
quarterly project will be fixmes and notes.


I have already made a start on the wiki page. Please update as you see 
fit:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2019_Q4_Project:_Fixmes_and_Notes

With best regards,
*Rob*

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Re: [Talk-GB] Thomas Cook shops

[Paul Berry]

I don't know about that but Rob is very quick off the mark with his Ghosts
tool: https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/thomas-cook/

Regards,
*Paul*

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 23:21, Dave F via Talk-GB 
wrote:

> Anybody know of specific high st shops for Thomas Cook which have
> remained open?
>  From national/local media it appears they may have all shut.
>
> Currently 265 entities named 'Thomas Cook' mostly shop=travel_agency but
> a few office/travel_agent mixed in.
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