Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Hi  Robert,
I looked up my 2 "wholesale" pharmacies on the list.  Unfortunately, they are 
both classed as "community", so will continue to be included in your checking 
tool.
So... ...should we:a.  Continue as we are: Plot them in OSM, tag them as 
pharmacies, but give them a name that makes it clear that they are not publicly 
accessible?b.  Delete them from OSM, so that consumers don't think they are 
publicly accessible.  (But they do exist and who knows what consumers will 
really want to find?)  Then we could ask you to manually delete them from the 
checking tool (but you probably won't want to keep doing that). c.  Do 
something else?
Regards,Peter 

   >On Sunday, 12 April 2020, 18:44:35 BST, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) 
 wrote:  > > >On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 18:08, 
Peter Neale  wrote:
>> As Boots' stores don't ALL have a pharmacy counter, IMHO they should be 
>> tagged as "shop=chemist".  Those that DO have a >>pharmacy (dispensing 
>> prescriptions) should be additionally tagged, either with "pharmacy=yes", or 
>> with a separate node for the >>pharmacy.  I think that would fit with the 
>> checking that you describe for your tool.
>>
>Both of those will get picked up by my tool. You could also do
>shop=chemist and amenity=pharmacy together, or just amenity=pharmacy
>on it's own. The best choice will probably depend on the nature of the
>Boots branch. Some may essentially just be a pharmacy counter with a
>small range of other medicines also available. Others branches will be
>a much larger store, where the pharmacy counter is more incidental.
>
>> As regards "pharmacy type", does your data identify what I would call 
>> "wholesale pharmacies", who have no public access, but supply >>medicines to 
>> hospitals, care homes and individual customers in their homes?  I know of 2 
>> in my area.  In one case, I changed the >>name to "Jardines (on line)" 
>> (Node: 6409354480) and in the other to "Mediva Private Pharmacy" (Node: 
>> 6443190532), in an attempt to >>make it clear that there is no public access.
>> Could these be excluded in future?
>
>The data I use can be downloaded from
>https://www.pharmacyregulation.org/registers -- it's the "list of
>registered pharmacies". As of today, I'm now just keeping those with a
>Type (the last column) of either "Community" or "Temporary -
>Community/Portacabin". I think doing this corresponds most closely to
>what we'd want to tag as amenity=pharmacy in OSM. For internal
>hospital and prison pharmacies, and for internet-only pharmacies that
>you can't get prescriptions from as a walk-in customer, I don't think
>they should be tagged as amenity=pharmacy.
>
>Best wishes,>
>Robert.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread SK53 
My local two Boots are:

a) a dedicated pharmacy (with limited OTC pharmaceutical products)
associated with the GP practice (which is huge, 40k registered patients)
and b) a chemist selling mainly beauty/personal grooming products and
sandwiches.

In the middle of town there is a very large Boots which at one time was
like a small department store, and a smaller more typicsl high street
outlet.

Moral: there is no one size fits all. However, amenity=pharmacy is nearly
always a more important piece of information than shop =chemist (most
people around the world map pharmacies as POIs very early on. I think using
pharmacy=yes in this case does not fit with how things have been mapped for
at least 15 years. By all means use both tags or create a separate node for
the pharmacy counter, but dont change things in such a way as to surprise
people.

Most pharmacies in supermarkets or heslth centres should be mapped
separately anyway.

Jerry


On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, 18:09 Peter Neale via Talk-GB, <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> As Boots' stores don't ALL have a pharmacy counter, IMHO they should be
> tagged as "shop=chemist".  Those that DO have a pharmacy (dispensing
> prescriptions) should be additionally tagged, either with "pharmacy=yes",
> or with a separate node for the pharmacy.  I think that would fit with the
> checking that you describe for your tool.
>
> As regards "pharmacy type", does your data identify what I would call
> "wholesale pharmacies", who have no public access, but supply medicines to
> hospitals, care homes and individual customers in their homes?  I know of 2
> in my area.  In one case, I changed the name to "Jardines (on line)" (Node:
> 6409354480) and in the other to "Mediva Private Pharmacy" (Node:
> 6443190532), in an attempt to make it clear that there is no public
> access.
> Could these be excluded in future?
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On Sunday, 12 April 2020, 14:41:01 BST, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
> robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 18:39, Dave Love  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 12:08 +0100, SK53 wrote:
> >> > Robert Whittaker has a Pharmacy QA  >> > > site
> >>
> >> That shows a Boots missing which I tagged as the brand from the
> >> correction iD wanted (brand=Boots shop=chemist).  How should Boots be
> >> tagged, and does iD need a fix?  (I assume all Boots have pharmacies,
> >> but maybe not.)
> >
> >As far as my tool at https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/progress/ is
> >concerned, pharmacies are recognised as OSM objects tagged with either
> >amenity=pharmacy or pharmacy=yes*. (The latter can be used on things
> >like supermarkets and doctors surgeries, when things aren't mapped in
> >enough detail to have a separate amenity=pharmacy node.)
> >
> >As for whether all Boots stores have pharmacies, I think most do, but
> >some don't:
> https://www.boots-uk.com/about-boots-uk/about-boots/boots-in-numbers/
> >says there are 2,465 Boots stores, but in the General Pharmaceutical
> >Council register of Pharmacies, there are only 2304 premises
> >registered to 'Boots UK Limited'.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >PS: I've just noticed that the data I'm using for my tool now contains
> >a "Pharmacy Type" field. This means I can exclude internet only
> >pharmacies, temporary locations (e.g. for events) and internal
> >hospital and prisons pharmacies. This will hopefully make the
> >comparison shown by the tool must more useful.
> >
> >* Because of the change to exclude hospital and prison pharmacies from
> >the GPhC data, OSM objects with pharmacy=yes will only be picked up in
> >my tool if they do not also have amenity=hospital or amenity=prison
> >too.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) 
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 18:08, Peter Neale  wrote:
> As Boots' stores don't ALL have a pharmacy counter, IMHO they should be 
> tagged as "shop=chemist".  Those that DO have a pharmacy (dispensing 
> prescriptions) should be additionally tagged, either with "pharmacy=yes", or 
> with a separate node for the pharmacy.  I think that would fit with the 
> checking that you describe for your tool.

Both of those will get picked up by my tool. You could also do
shop=chemist and amenity=pharmacy together, or just amenity=pharmacy
on it's own. The best choice will probably depend on the nature of the
Boots branch. Some may essentially just be a pharmacy counter with a
small range of other medicines also available. Others branches will be
a much larger store, where the pharmacy counter is more incidental.

> As regards "pharmacy type", does your data identify what I would call 
> "wholesale pharmacies", who have no public access, but supply medicines to 
> hospitals, care homes and individual customers in their homes?  I know of 2 
> in my area.  In one case, I changed the name to "Jardines (on line)" (Node: 
> 6409354480) and in the other to "Mediva Private Pharmacy" (Node: 6443190532), 
> in an attempt to make it clear that there is no public access.
> Could these be excluded in future?

The data I use can be downloaded from
https://www.pharmacyregulation.org/registers -- it's the "list of
registered pharmacies". As of today, I'm now just keeping those with a
Type (the last column) of either "Community" or "Temporary -
Community/Portacabin". I think doing this corresponds most closely to
what we'd want to tag as amenity=pharmacy in OSM. For internal
hospital and prison pharmacies, and for internet-only pharmacies that
you can't get prescriptions from as a walk-in customer, I don't think
they should be tagged as amenity=pharmacy.

Best wishes,
Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Hi Robert,
As Boots' stores don't ALL have a pharmacy counter, IMHO they should be tagged 
as "shop=chemist".  Those that DO have a pharmacy (dispensing prescriptions) 
should be additionally tagged, either with "pharmacy=yes", or with a separate 
node for the pharmacy.  I think that would fit with the checking that you 
describe for your tool.
As regards "pharmacy type", does your data identify what I would call 
"wholesale pharmacies", who have no public access, but supply medicines to 
hospitals, care homes and individual customers in their homes?  I know of 2 in 
my area.  In one case, I changed the name to "Jardines (on line)" (Node: 
6409354480) and in the other to "Mediva Private Pharmacy" (Node: 6443190532), 
in an attempt to make it clear that there is no public access.   Could these be 
excluded in future? Regards,Peter 

On Sunday, 12 April 2020, 14:41:01 BST, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) 
 wrote:  
 
 >On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 18:39, Dave Love  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 12:08 +0100, SK53 wrote:
>> > Robert Whittaker has a Pharmacy QA > > > site
>>
>> That shows a Boots missing which I tagged as the brand from the
>> correction iD wanted (brand=Boots shop=chemist).  How should Boots be
>> tagged, and does iD need a fix?  (I assume all Boots have pharmacies,
>> but maybe not.)
>
>As far as my tool at https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/progress/ is
>concerned, pharmacies are recognised as OSM objects tagged with 
>either>amenity=pharmacy or pharmacy=yes*. (The latter can be used on things
>like supermarkets and doctors surgeries, when things aren't mapped in
>enough detail to have a separate amenity=pharmacy node.)
>
>As for whether all Boots stores have pharmacies, I think most do, but
>some don't: 
>https://www.boots-uk.com/about-boots-uk/about-boots/boots-in-numbers/
>says there are 2,465 Boots stores, but in the General Pharmaceutical
>Council register of Pharmacies, there are only 2304 premises
>registered to 'Boots UK Limited'.
>
>Robert
>
>PS: I've just noticed that the data I'm using for my tool now contains
>a "Pharmacy Type" field. This means I can exclude internet only
>pharmacies, temporary locations (e.g. for events) and internal
>hospital and prisons pharmacies. This will hopefully make the
>comparison shown by the tool must more useful.
>
>* Because of the change to exclude hospital and prison pharmacies from
>the GPhC data, OSM objects with pharmacy=yes will only be picked up in
>my tool if they do not also have amenity=hospital or amenity=prison
>too.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) 
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 18:39, Dave Love  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 12:08 +0100, SK53 wrote:
> > Robert Whittaker has a Pharmacy QA  > > site
>
> That shows a Boots missing which I tagged as the brand from the
> correction iD wanted (brand=Boots shop=chemist).  How should Boots be
> tagged, and does iD need a fix?  (I assume all Boots have pharmacies,
> but maybe not.)

As far as my tool at https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/progress/ is
concerned, pharmacies are recognised as OSM objects tagged with either
amenity=pharmacy or pharmacy=yes*. (The latter can be used on things
like supermarkets and doctors surgeries, when things aren't mapped in
enough detail to have a separate amenity=pharmacy node.)

As for whether all Boots stores have pharmacies, I think most do, but
some don't: 
https://www.boots-uk.com/about-boots-uk/about-boots/boots-in-numbers/
says there are 2,465 Boots stores, but in the General Pharmaceutical
Council register of Pharmacies, there are only 2304 premises
registered to 'Boots UK Limited'.

Robert

PS: I've just noticed that the data I'm using for my tool now contains
a "Pharmacy Type" field. This means I can exclude internet only
pharmacies, temporary locations (e.g. for events) and internal
hospital and prisons pharmacies. This will hopefully make the
comparison shown by the tool must more useful.

* Because of the change to exclude hospital and prison pharmacies from
the GPhC data, OSM objects with pharmacy=yes will only be picked up in
my tool if they do not also have amenity=hospital or amenity=prison
too.

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #507 2020-03-31-2020-04-06

2020-04-12 Thread weeklyteam 
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 507,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13046/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

2020-04-12 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 22:55, Gareth L  wrote:

> The UK quarterly project for Q2 2020 has been selected as GP Surgeries and 
> health
> sites. The wiki page is
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2020_Q2_Project:_GP_Surgeries_and_Healthsites

How are we showing pharmacy references like those in:


https://www.pharmacyregulation.org/registers/pharmacy/registrationnumber/1124246

https://www.nhs.uk/Services/pharmacies/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=9164

Do we have an exemplar for pharmacies (or several, by type:
stand-alone shop; in GP practice/ medical centre; in supermarket; in
Boots-style shop)?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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