Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Richard, Hi all,

(Sorry for not replying properly to the thread - I don't receive the emails
into my inbox and nabble is complaining about a broken certificate today)

It sounds like you are making good progress. Thanks for all the written
documentation for those, like myself, who are not so good with ruby. It
would be good to see those uncontentious edits going in to OSM fairly soon.
Is the plan to get this fully automated with a test in the dev version of
osm first?

As for the rest, I am unclear what editor you are planning for people to
use. Out of interest what editor are the TfL employees being trained on?
The raster tilesets are obviously a huge advantage but do you plan for
something that integrates a bit more with the editor? Something along the
lines of the P2 merging tool, RapID or Hootenanny (also ID)?

Thank you,
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Sorry if I did not make myself clear enough.  (Every day is a new learning 
opportunity!)

At least it's good to know that I have not broken the system :-)

Regards,Peter 

On Monday, 27 April 2020, 11:24:14 BST, Andy Townsend  
wrote:  
 
  On 27/04/2020 11:16, Peter Neale wrote:
  
 
  It seems that we have had 2 of us attempting the same change at the same 
time. 

 
 
Generally speaking, IRC's better for this sort of request as everyone sees 
what's happening in real time
 
 
   I hope that the database change  control can cope with this. 

 
It can - multiple deletion requests will just be ignored
 
 
> I did try to avoid such a clash by responding here before starting work.
 
I've clearly been working with people from the Netherlands and Germany too long 
:)  - I didn't interpret "I think that I understand the issue ... A solution 
may be ... I am happy to spend a while trying this" as "I'm doing it NOW".
 
Best Regards,
 
Andy
 

 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Andy Townsend]

On 27/04/2020 11:16, Peter Neale wrote:
It seems that we have had 2 of us attempting the same change at the 
same time.



Generally speaking, IRC's better for this sort of request as everyone 
sees what's happening in real time




I hope that the database change  control can cope with this.


It can - multiple deletion requests will just be ignored

> I did try to avoid such a clash by responding here before starting 
work.


I've clearly been working with people from the Netherlands and Germany 
too long :)  - I didn't interpret "I think that I understand the issue 
... A solution may be ... I am happy to spend a while trying this" as 
"I'm doing it NOW".


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Noted.  I have been careful to separate the ways sharing points and only delete 
the way in question.
Regards,Peter
 Peter Neale 
t: 01908 309666 
m: 07968 341930 
skype: nealepb 

On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:56:40 BST, Jez Nicholson 
 wrote:  
 
 Note that the vast majority of the points in the Way were pre-existing. Any 
fix should leave them in place.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM nathan case  wrote:


I’m fairly sure Potlach (assuming you want to tackle this via a browser editor) 
allows you to delete larger areas in one go – rather than deleting point by 
point.

 

Cheers.

 

From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 10:43 AM
To: Talk-GB ; Jez Nicholson 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

 

I think that I understand the issue.  A solution may be to delete individual 
points until the whole way is small enough to be shown on a screen at editable 
zoom.  

 

I am happy to spend a while trying this, but it is probably best if only one of 
us is stirring the pot at once.

 

Regards,

Peter

 

 

 

On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:32:44 BST, Jez Nicholson  
wrote:

 

 

A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury 
residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely admit 
their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be able to 
assist please?

 

I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new user 
thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to lock 
boundaries from new user changes?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Jez Nicholson]

A big thank you form me to everyone who sorted this out :)

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 AM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 27/04/2020 11:09, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:
>
> I THINK I have done it.
>
> It took a bit of fiddling to separate some shared points, but then I was
> able to cut the offending line and delete a section at a time (which fitted
> on the screen).
>
> That definitely sounds like "the hard way" :)
>
> It would probably have worked (apart from the orphan nodes).
>
> I hope that I have not disturbed anything else in the process.
>
> I don't think so - you can see the changes here:
>
> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=84190221
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

It seems that we have had 2 of us attempting the same change at the same time.  
I hope that the database change  control can cope with this.
I did try to avoid such a clash by responding here before starting work.

Regards,Peter


On Monday, 27 April 2020, 11:12:59 BST, Andy Townsend  
wrote:  
 
  On 27/04/2020 10:56, Jez Nicholson wrote:
  
 
Note that the vast majority of the points in the Way were pre-existing. Any fix 
should leave them in place. 
  On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM nathan case  wrote:
  
   
I’m fairly sure Potlach (assuming you want to tackle this via a browser editor) 
allows you to delete larger areas in one go – rather than deleting point by 
point.
 
   
  
I believe I've resolved this in 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/84189877 - please let us know if all is 
OK.
 
 
For completeness, that was done in JOSM using the reverter plugin.  It also 
deleted the three extra nodes added in 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82728827 .
 
Potlatch 2 would also have worked, but I'd have needed to delete the 3 new 
nodes separately.
 
Some combination of  "revert.pl" "undo.pl" and/or "delete.pl" in the OSM revert 
scripts https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Revert_scripts would have worked, 
but I'd have needed to explicitly say "yes please delete the new way and the 3 
new nodes".
 
Best Regards,
 
Andy
 

 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Andy Townsend]

On 27/04/2020 11:09, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:

I THINK I have done it.

It took a bit of fiddling to separate some shared points, but then I 
was able to cut the offending line and delete a section at a time 
(which fitted on the screen).



That definitely sounds like "the hard way" :)

It would probably have worked (apart from the orphan nodes).


I hope that I have not disturbed anything else in the process.


I don't think so - you can see the changes here:

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=84190221

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Andy Townsend]

On 27/04/2020 10:56, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Note that the vast majority of the points in the Way were 
pre-existing. Any fix should leave them in place.


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM nathan case > wrote:


I’m fairly sure Potlach (assuming you want to tackle this via a
browser editor) allows you to delete larger areas in one go –
rather than deleting point by point.


I believe I've resolved this in 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/84189877 - please let us know if 
all is OK.


For completeness, that was done in JOSM using the reverter plugin.  It 
also deleted the three extra nodes added in 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82728827 .


Potlatch 2 would also have worked, but I'd have needed to delete the 3 
new nodes separately.


Some combination of  "revert.pl" "undo.pl" and/or "delete.pl" in the OSM 
revert scripts https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Revert_scripts would 
have worked, but I'd have needed to explicitly say "yes please delete 
the new way and the 3 new nodes".


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

I THINK I have done it.  
It took a bit of fiddling to separate some shared points, but then I was able 
to cut the offending line and delete a section at a time (which fitted on the 
screen).
I hope that I have not disturbed anything else in the process.  
Regards,Peter
 Peter Neale 
t: 01908 309666 
m: 07968 341930 
skype: nealepb 

On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:44:26 BST, Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
 wrote:  
 
 I think that I understand the issue.  A solution may be to delete individual 
points until the whole way is small enough to be shown on a screen at editable 
zoom.  
I am happy to spend a while trying this, but it is probably best if only one of 
us is stirring the pot at once.
Regards,Peter


On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:32:44 BST, Jez Nicholson 
 wrote:  
 
 A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury 
residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely admit 
their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be able to 
assist please?
I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new user 
thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to lock 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Jez Nicholson]

Note that the vast majority of the points in the Way were pre-existing. Any
fix should leave them in place.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM nathan case  wrote:

> I’m fairly sure Potlach (assuming you want to tackle this via a browser
> editor) allows you to delete larger areas in one go – rather than deleting
> point by point.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 10:43 AM
> *To:* Talk-GB ; Jez Nicholson <
> jez.nichol...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?
>
>
>
> I think that I understand the issue.  A solution may be to delete
> individual points until the whole way is small enough to be shown on a
> screen at editable zoom.
>
>
>
> I am happy to spend a while trying this, but it is probably best if only
> one of us is stirring the pot at once.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:32:44 BST, Jez Nicholson <
> jez.nichol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury
> residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely
> admit their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be
> able to assist please?
>
>
>
> I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new
> user thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to
> lock boundaries from new user changes?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[nathan case]

I’m fairly sure Potlach (assuming you want to tackle this via a browser editor) 
allows you to delete larger areas in one go – rather than deleting point by 
point.

Cheers.

From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 10:43 AM
To: Talk-GB ; Jez Nicholson 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

I think that I understand the issue.  A solution may be to delete individual 
points until the whole way is small enough to be shown on a screen at editable 
zoom.

I am happy to spend a while trying this, but it is probably best if only one of 
us is stirring the pot at once.

Regards,
Peter



On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:32:44 BST, Jez Nicholson 
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:


A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury 
residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely admit 
their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be able to 
assist please?

I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new user 
thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to lock 
boundaries from new user changes?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

I think that I understand the issue.  A solution may be to delete individual 
points until the whole way is small enough to be shown on a screen at editable 
zoom.  
I am happy to spend a while trying this, but it is probably best if only one of 
us is stirring the pot at once.
Regards,Peter


On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:32:44 BST, Jez Nicholson 
 wrote:  
 
 A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury 
residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely admit 
their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be able to 
assist please?
I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new user 
thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to lock 
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[Talk-GB] Can anyone reverse this changeset please?

[Jez Nicholson]

A new user has created a new way in Brighton to indicate the Hollingbury
residential error https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/785162533 They freely
admit their error but are unable to remove it, as am I. Would anyone be
able to assist please?

I only have anecdotal evidence (like this one) but it seems that a 'new
user thing to do' is to 'correct my local area'. Might be another reason to
lock boundaries from new user changes?
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Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

There may also be merit in tagging a location that is frequently / consistently 
used for more ephemeral art.  Any time you visit, you can reasonably expect to 
see something, but it might be a different thing from what was there yesterday.
Regards,Peter
On Monday, 27 April 2020, 10:07:37 BST, Edward Catmur 
 wrote:  
 
 
These things can be permanent – mosaic or other types of inlay.

  

From: Mike Parfitt
Sent: 27 April 2020 08:56
To: mar...@templot.com; neal...@yahoo.co.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

  

There may be some merit in tagging permanent artwork on the sides of buildings.

But tagging pavement/street art that will vanish after a couple of showers 
seems pointless. 



From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: 26 April 2020 18:38:06
To: mar...@templot.com 
Cc: Talk-gb OSM List 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art 

 

Pavement art, or perhaps street painting? 

  

  

Street painting - Wikipedia 

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Regards,

Peter

  

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 15:32, Martin Wynne

 wrote:

What is this stuff called?

  

  https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A

  

  https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6

  

I got as far as tourism=artwork but then

  

  artwork_type= ?

  

thanks,

  

Martin.

  

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Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

[Edward Catmur via Talk-GB]

These things can be permanent – mosaic or other types of inlay. From: Mike ParfittSent: 27 April 2020 08:56To: mar...@templot.com; neal...@yahoo.co.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art There may be some merit in tagging permanent artwork on the sides of buildings.But tagging pavement/street art that will vanish after a couple of showers seems pointless. From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB Sent: 26 April 2020 18:38:06To: mar...@templot.com Cc: Talk-gb OSM List Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art  Pavement art, or perhaps street painting?   Street painting - Wikipedia Street painting - Wikipedia  Regards,Peter Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 15:32, Martin Wynne wrote:What is this stuff called?   https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A   https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6 I got as far as tourism=artwork but then   artwork_type= ? thanks, Martin. ___Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___
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[Talk-GB] war graves / Remembrance day event

[Daniel Pocock]

This is related to the CWGC / war graves discussion[1] but I felt it is
worth a separate thread

Last year we had the hackathon in Kosovo on the weekend ahead of
Remembrance day

It could be interesting to do similar things this year.  It could be
online or in any one or more locations.

If anybody wants to make such an activity, I don't know whether I can
personally commit or be present, but the Anzacathon scripts, data sets,
schema, views and documentation can be extrapolated for any similar
purposes.  For example, the CWGC and TracesOfWar data sets are both much
more than Anzac data.

Such events could provide a focal point for the import of this data and
related projects.

Regards,

Daniel

1. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2020-April/024452.html

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Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

[Mike Parfitt]

There may be some merit in tagging permanent artwork on the sides of buildings.

But tagging pavement/street art that will vanish after a couple of showers 
seems pointless.

From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: 26 April 2020 18:38:06
To: mar...@templot.com 
Cc: Talk-gb OSM List 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

Pavement art, or perhaps street painting?


Street painting - Wikipedia

Street painting - Wikipedia


Regards,
Peter


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Android

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 15:32, Martin Wynne
 wrote:
What is this stuff called?

  https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A

  https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6

I got as far as tourism=artwork but then

  artwork_type= ?

thanks,

Martin.

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