Re: [Talk-GB] Recycling Points

2020-11-27 Thread Donald Noble 
Personally, I would map a small number of recycling containers as a single
node, tagged with all the types accepted. From my experience, these
containers often get moved around, at least here in Edinburgh, so their
relative positions change depending on which was overflowing last or
something. I am also not sure that it adds significant value knowing how
many containers there are, so a single not should suffice.

Cheers, Donald


On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 13:36, SK53  wrote:

> I must admit to being surprised that we dont have a distinct value:
> recycling points are much commoner throughout Europe than they are in the
> UK (probably because more people live in flats). Windsor & Maidenhead
> withdrew at least some of their points when recycling bins were introduced.
> In Nottingham single containers are relatively common (usually things like
> the red BHF ones, rather than council ones), and single containers with
> multiple ports exist on the University site, as do combined rubbish bins,
> recycling bins.
>
> In Spain and Switzerland something like a recycling point with multiple
> containers will be located within a short distance of most properties (e.g.
> this one
> 
> I added which has at least 4 distinct containers). At least in the past in
> some Swiss communes, these were also co-located with a communal location
> for household rubbish (the one above doesn't appear to have that facility
> now). I presume Poland is similar, but Mateusz can confirm.
>
> It does appear that an additional tag value would be appropriate.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use itmy fundamental reason
>> for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen
>> as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see
>> a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a
>> site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between
>> the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm).
>>
>> I will try with 'centre' and including 'Recycling Point' in the name.
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan S,  wrote:
>>
>>> Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson <
>>> jez.nichol...@gmail.com>:
>>>
 Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a
 while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
 container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes.

 Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive Recycling Point
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg
 featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="container" which
 accept different items including
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145 glass,
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151 cans, cardboard, paper,
 plastic bottles, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142 a
 clothes bank.

 The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point".
 There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" +
 "recycling_type"="point"

 I can only really see containers or centres in
 https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but
 this place is neither.

 Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"?
 It seems like the UK term for it.


>>> Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used
>>> as a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that
>>> doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".
>>>
>>> I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already
>>> use for some other type of feature.
>>>
>>> What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is
>>> it the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is
>>> it the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or
>>> supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary?
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris  wrote:

> On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point
> in OSM?
> > Have you seen/used anything else?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type>
>
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>Jeremy
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Recycling Points

2020-11-27 Thread SK53 
I must admit to being surprised that we dont have a distinct value:
recycling points are much commoner throughout Europe than they are in the
UK (probably because more people live in flats). Windsor & Maidenhead
withdrew at least some of their points when recycling bins were introduced.
In Nottingham single containers are relatively common (usually things like
the red BHF ones, rather than council ones), and single containers with
multiple ports exist on the University site, as do combined rubbish bins,
recycling bins.

In Spain and Switzerland something like a recycling point with multiple
containers will be located within a short distance of most properties (e.g.
this one
 I
added which has at least 4 distinct containers). At least in the past in
some Swiss communes, these were also co-located with a communal location
for household rubbish (the one above doesn't appear to have that facility
now). I presume Poland is similar, but Mateusz can confirm.

It does appear that an additional tag value would be appropriate.

Jerry

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use itmy fundamental reason
> for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen
> as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see
> a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a
> site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between
> the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm).
>
> I will try with 'centre' and including 'Recycling Point' in the name.
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan S,  wrote:
>
>> Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson <
>> jez.nichol...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a
>>> while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
>>> container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes.
>>>
>>> Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive Recycling Point
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg
>>> featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="container" which
>>> accept different items including
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145 glass,
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151 cans, cardboard, paper,
>>> plastic bottles, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142 a
>>> clothes bank.
>>>
>>> The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point".
>>> There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" +
>>> "recycling_type"="point"
>>>
>>> I can only really see containers or centres in
>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but
>>> this place is neither.
>>>
>>> Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"? It
>>> seems like the UK term for it.
>>>
>>>
>> Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used
>> as a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that
>> doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".
>>
>> I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already
>> use for some other type of feature.
>>
>> What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is it
>> the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it
>> the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or
>> supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary?
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris  wrote:
>>>
 On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
 > Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point
 in OSM?
 > Have you seen/used anything else?

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type>

 --
 Cheers,
Jeremy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Recycling Points

2020-11-27 Thread Jez Nicholson 
Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use itmy fundamental reason
for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen
as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see
a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a
site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between
the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm).

I will try with 'centre' and including 'Recycling Point' in the name.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan S,  wrote:

> Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson  >:
>
>> Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a
>> while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
>> container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes.
>>
>> Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive Recycling Point
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg
>> featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="container" which
>> accept different items including
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145 glass,
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151 cans, cardboard, paper,
>> plastic bottles, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142 a
>> clothes bank.
>>
>> The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point".
>> There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" +
>> "recycling_type"="point"
>>
>> I can only really see containers or centres in
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but this
>> place is neither.
>>
>> Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"? It
>> seems like the UK term for it.
>>
>>
> Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used
> as a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that
> doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".
>
> I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already use
> for some other type of feature.
>
> What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is it
> the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it
> the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or
> supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary?
>
> Best
> Dan
>
>
>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris  wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>> > Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point in
>>> OSM?
>>> > Have you seen/used anything else?
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Recycling Points

2020-11-27 Thread Dan S 
Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson :

> Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a
> while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
> container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes.
>
> Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive Recycling Point
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg
> featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="container" which
> accept different items including
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145 glass,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151 cans, cardboard, paper,
> plastic bottles, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142 a
> clothes bank.
>
> The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point".
> There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" +
> "recycling_type"="point"
>
> I can only really see containers or centres in
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but this
> place is neither.
>
> Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"? It
> seems like the UK term for it.
>
>
Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used as
a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that
doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".

I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already use
for some other type of feature.

What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is it
the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it
the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or
supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary?

Best
Dan



> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris  wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>> > Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point in
>> OSM?
>> > Have you seen/used anything else?
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>Jeremy
>>
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