Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Tim Waters]

Hi Richard,

Are you still having issues? That map appears to be okay now, last
rectified 3 days ago and was able to rectify it just now. I've a
screenshot here:
http://imgur.com/bOjMnWq  http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261#Preview_tab

Find me on IRC as chippy sometime if you are still encountering problems.

regards,

Tim

On 9 February 2016 at 18:44, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> Tim,
>
> A lot of these maps won't rectify, even though I've completed all the
> control points. The one I've just come up with is
> http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261 - can someone try and preview it, or tell
> me what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over
> Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>
>
> On 9 February 2016 at 17:30, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
>>
>> I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a
>> fair bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes, etc.)
>> but eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online conversion
>> tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great in Google
>> Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to get the map
>> spot on.
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
>>> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
>>> (layer)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
>>>
>>> The mosaic:
>>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
>>>
>>> The Tiles link is http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
>>> and the WMS details can be found at
>>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
>>>
>>> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints too
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
>>> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
>>> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
>>> that case!
>>>
>>> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
>>> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
>>> in the warper.
>>>
>>> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson 
>>> wrote:
>>> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes a
>>> > WMS
>>> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
>>> >
>>> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
>>> > https whitelist.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
>>> >> > collection
>>> >> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
>>> >> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
>>> >>
>>> >> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
>>> >>
>>> >> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > could
>>> >> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
>>> >> > point
>>> >> > though).
>>> >>
>>> >> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
>>> >> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Andy Mabbett
>>> >> @pigsonthewing
>>> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Richard Symonds]

yep, seems to be working now! I'll get cracking.

Richard Symonds
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
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On 12 February 2016 at 11:25, Tim Waters  wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Are you still having issues? That map appears to be okay now, last
> rectified 3 days ago and was able to rectify it just now. I've a
> screenshot here:
> http://imgur.com/bOjMnWq  http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261#Preview_tab
>
> Find me on IRC as chippy sometime if you are still encountering problems.
>
> regards,
>
> Tim
>
> On 9 February 2016 at 18:44, Richard Symonds
>  wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > A lot of these maps won't rectify, even though I've completed all the
> > control points. The one I've just come up with is
> > http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261 - can someone try and preview it, or
> tell
> > me what I'm doing wrong?
> >
> > Richard Symonds
> > Wikimedia UK
> > 0207 065 0992
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over
> > Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
> >
> >
> > On 9 February 2016 at 17:30, Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a
> >> fair bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes,
> etc.)
> >> but eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online
> conversion
> >> tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great in Google
> >> Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to get
> the map
> >> spot on.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
> >>> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
> >>> (layer)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
> >>>
> >>> The mosaic:
> >>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
> >>>
> >>> The Tiles link is
> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
> >>> and the WMS details can be found at
> >>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
> >>>
> >>> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints
> too
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
> >>> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
> >>> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
> >>> that case!
> >>>
> >>> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
> >>> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
> >>> in the warper.
> >>>
> >>> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab
> includes a
> >>> > WMS
> >>> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
> >>> >
> >>> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with
> an
> >>> > https whitelist.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters 
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
> >>> >> > collection
> >>> >> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
> >>> >> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer)
> for
> >>> >> > the
> >>> >> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps
> >>> >> > which
> >>> >> > could
> >>> >> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on
> this
> >>> >> > point
> >>> >> > though).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
> >>> >> reused; if there's a speciific 

Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Richard Symonds]

Tim,

A lot of these maps won't rectify, even though I've completed all the
control points. The one I've just come up with is
http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261 - can someone try and preview it, or
tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 9 February 2016 at 17:30, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a
> fair bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes, etc.)
> but eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online
> conversion tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great
> in Google Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to
> get the map spot on.
>
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
>> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
>> (layer)
>>
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
>>
>> The mosaic:
>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
>>
>> The Tiles link is http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
>> and the WMS details can be found at
>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
>>
>> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints too
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
>> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
>> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
>> that case!
>>
>> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
>> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
>> in the warper.
>>
>> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson 
>> wrote:
>> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes
>> a WMS
>> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
>> >
>> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
>> > https whitelist.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
>> >> > collection
>> >> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
>> >> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for
>> the
>> >> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
>> >>
>> >> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
>> >>
>> >> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps
>> which
>> >> > could
>> >> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
>> >> > point
>> >> > though).
>> >>
>> >> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
>> >> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andy Mabbett
>> >> @pigsonthewing
>> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Tim Waters]

Hi folks,

so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
(layer)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa

The mosaic:
http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4

The Tiles link is http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
and the WMS details can be found at
http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab

and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints too

Cheers,

Tim

p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
that case!

p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
in the warper.

On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
> The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes a WMS
> link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
>
> I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
> https whitelist.
>
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>>
>> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:
>>
>> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
>> > collection
>> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
>> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for the
>> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
>>
>> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
>>
>> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps which
>> > could
>> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
>> > point
>> > though).
>>
>> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
>> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a fair
bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes, etc.) but
eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online conversion
tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great in Google
Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to get the map
spot on.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
> (layer)
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
>
> The mosaic:
> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
>
> The Tiles link is http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
> and the WMS details can be found at
> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
>
> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints too
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
>
> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
> that case!
>
> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
> in the warper.
>
> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes a
> WMS
> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
> >
> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
> > https whitelist.
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
> >> > collection
> >> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
> >> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for
> the
> >> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
> >>
> >> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
> >>
> >> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps which
> >> > could
> >> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
> >> > point
> >> > though).
> >>
> >> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
> >> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Mabbett
> >> @pigsonthewing
> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes a WMS
link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"

I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
https whitelist.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:
>
> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this collection
> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for the
> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
>
> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
>
> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps which
> could
> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this point
> > though).
>
> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

Here's my first go at the Kilamanjaro map
http://mapwarper.net/maps/12352#Preview_Map_tab

On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 at 20:43 SK53  wrote:

> There is/was a mapwarper instance for wikimedia. I don't have the details
> to hand, but perhaps Tim Waters will be able to tell us.
>
> I think the problem with older maps of Africa and Asia is that a lot more
> has changed than in Britain in the same period.
>
> The set of maps which BL has digitised which I'd be very interested in are
> city insurance maps. Certainly Leicester, Nottingham & Belfast are covered.
> As far as I know these have not been made available on wikimedia.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 31 January 2016 at 20:04, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
>
>> Andy Mabbett wrote:
>> > David Woolley wrote:
>> > > Are you really asking if anyone is prepared to fund the tile server,
>> > > and donate time to any georeferencing needed?
>> > I'm asking what the *potential* is for that, or any other necessary
>> > steps, to be done.
>>
>> For individual sheets like this, I think Mapwarper (mapwarper.net) is
>> going
>> to be your best bet. It's not the sort of task that's well suited to the
>> techcentric skillset of OSM Operations (by which I mean Grant :) ) and I'd
>> be surprised if there were any local chapters willing to take it on,
>> though
>> you could try HOT, perhaps.
>>
>> But at heart - if you'd like to get some of these rectified, load them
>> into
>> Mapwarper and have a play! And if you find it works, then you can recruit
>> more people to the cause.
>>
>> cheers
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Tim Waters]

On 1 February 2016 at 12:30, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I've copied my control points over to http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629
>

Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this collection
are already in the wikimaps warper.
However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for the
category, so this will be fixed soon.

The "warped" parameter in the wiki page enables the button for users to get
from the wiki to the warper. You can add it to the pages, or you can search
for them within the warper itself.

I think the British Library also has control points for the maps which
could be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
point though).

Regards,

Tim



>
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 11:51 Grant Slater 
> wrote:
>
>> On 31 January 2016 at 20:04, Richard Fairhurst 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > For individual sheets like this, I think Mapwarper (mapwarper.net) is
>> going
>> > to be your best bet. It's not the sort of task that's well suited to the
>> > techcentric skillset of OSM Operations (by which I mean Grant :) ) and
>> I'd
>> > be surprised if there were any local chapters willing to take it on,
>> though
>> > you could try HOT, perhaps.
>> >
>>
>> Agreed. I am only really setup to handle imagery/maps which have known
>> coordinates and projections. Maps with custom or eccentric
>> coordinates/projections are best manually geotagged and warped.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Grant
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Grant Slater]

On 31 January 2016 at 20:04, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
>
> For individual sheets like this, I think Mapwarper (mapwarper.net) is going
> to be your best bet. It's not the sort of task that's well suited to the
> techcentric skillset of OSM Operations (by which I mean Grant :) ) and I'd
> be surprised if there were any local chapters willing to take it on, though
> you could try HOT, perhaps.
>

Agreed. I am only really setup to handle imagery/maps which have known
coordinates and projections. Maps with custom or eccentric
coordinates/projections are best manually geotagged and warped.

Kind regards,

Grant

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

I've copied my control points over to http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 11:51 Grant Slater 
wrote:

> On 31 January 2016 at 20:04, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
> >
> > For individual sheets like this, I think Mapwarper (mapwarper.net) is
> going
> > to be your best bet. It's not the sort of task that's well suited to the
> > techcentric skillset of OSM Operations (by which I mean Grant :) ) and
> I'd
> > be surprised if there were any local chapters willing to take it on,
> though
> > you could try HOT, perhaps.
> >
>
> Agreed. I am only really setup to handle imagery/maps which have known
> coordinates and projections. Maps with custom or eccentric
> coordinates/projections are best manually geotagged and warped.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Grant
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Andy Mabbett]

On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters  wrote:

> Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this collection
> are already in the wikimaps warper.
> However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for the
> category, so this will be fixed soon.

Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?

> I think the British Library also has control points for the maps which could
> be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this point
> though).

My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Andy Mabbett]

On 31 January 2016 at 15:57, David Woolley  wrote:
> On 31/01/16 15:46, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone help with my original question, which was:
>>
>>> What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
>>> layer, for tracing?

> They have. They have told you the answer depends on the copyright status.
> You've only asked about the potential, and that depends entirely on whether
> or not it can be legally done, as there are no fundamental technical
> problems.

No; as I stated in my *original* post, quoted above, they are
crown-copyright-expired.

> Are you really asking if anyone is prepared to fund the tile server, and
> donate time to any georeferencing needed?

I'm asking what the *potential* is for that, or any other necessary
steps, to be done.

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Richard Fairhurst]

Andy Mabbett wrote:
> David Woolley wrote:
> > Are you really asking if anyone is prepared to fund the tile server, 
> > and donate time to any georeferencing needed?
> I'm asking what the *potential* is for that, or any other necessary
> steps, to be done.

For individual sheets like this, I think Mapwarper (mapwarper.net) is going
to be your best bet. It's not the sort of task that's well suited to the
techcentric skillset of OSM Operations (by which I mean Grant :) ) and I'd
be surprised if there were any local chapters willing to take it on, though
you could try HOT, perhaps.

But at heart - if you'd like to get some of these rectified, load them into
Mapwarper and have a play! And if you find it works, then you can recruit
more people to the cause.

cheers
Richard




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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Andy Mabbett]

Can anyone help with my original question, which was:

> What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
> layer, for tracing?

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

Actually, I take it back Andy, after pointing me at
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/481194/c-notice-201401.pdf
I
agree that you are quite right.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 at 19:02 David Woolley 
wrote:

> On 30/01/16 18:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Andy, I respectfully beg to differ. Crown copyright does expire after 50
> > years but owners of scans claim 'sweat of the brow' grants them
> > copyright of the images made. Even the people at NPE Maps claim it
> > http://www.npemap.org.uk/tileLicence.html but they renounce any claim on
> > derived data.
>
>
> However, I believe that it will, at most, create copyrights in the
> imagery, not database rights.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[David Woolley]

On 30/01/16 18:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:

Andy, I respectfully beg to differ. Crown copyright does expire after 50
years but owners of scans claim 'sweat of the brow' grants them
copyright of the images made. Even the people at NPE Maps claim it
http://www.npemap.org.uk/tileLicence.html but they renounce any claim on
derived data.



However, I believe that it will, at most, create copyrights in the 
imagery, not database rights.


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Andy Mabbett]

On 30 January 2016 at 13:36, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> Your knowledge of copyright is probably better than mine, but unless the
> British Library renounce their ownership of the scans or UK law changes
> (which is possible) I would say none. :(

As I said; they're Crown Copyright, whchc expires after 50 years.
They're already on Wikimedia Commons, which won't accept them
otherwise.

There is no new copyright created, in simply scanning an
out-of-copyright work such as these.

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

Great news that they've been OGLd. I feel less depressed now :)

Andy, I respectfully beg to differ. Crown copyright does expire after 50
years but owners of scans claim 'sweat of the brow' grants them copyright
of the images made. Even the people at NPE Maps claim it
http://www.npemap.org.uk/tileLicence.html but they renounce any claim on
derived data.

I don't necessarily agree that simply scanning something is fair grounds
for copyright ownership. Professional quality scans and georectifying does
cost money though.
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 at 16:49, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 30 January 2016 at 13:36, Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
>
> > Your knowledge of copyright is probably better than mine, but unless the
> > British Library renounce their ownership of the scans or UK law changes
> > (which is possible) I would say none. :(
>
> As I said; they're Crown Copyright, whchc expires after 50 years.
> They're already on Wikimedia Commons, which won't accept them
> otherwise.
>
> There is no new copyright created, in simply scanning an
> out-of-copyright work such as these.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Richard Symonds]

Jez,

These are all OGL licenced and on Wikimedia Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War_Office_Archive_%E2%80%93_British_East_Africa

They were uploaded by Nora McGregor, Digital Curator, British Library (
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ndalyrose) so are fine to use, I
believe.

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Wikimedia UK
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On 30 January 2016 at 13:36, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> Your knowledge of copyright is probably better than mine, but unless the
> British Library renounce their ownership of the scans or UK law changes
> (which is possible) I would say none. :(
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 at 23:50, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
>> layer, for tracing?
>>
>> http://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/war-office-archive
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Jez Nicholson]

Your knowledge of copyright is probably better than mine, but unless the
British Library renounce their ownership of the scans or UK law changes
(which is possible) I would say none. :(
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 at 23:50, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
> layer, for tracing?
>
> http://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/war-office-archive
>
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[Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

[Andy Mabbett]

What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
layer, for tracing?

http://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/war-office-archive

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