Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Warin]

On 06-Jun-17 08:36 AM, Dave F wrote:


On 05/06/2017 22:55, Warin wrote:

Threads, like conversations, drift Dave.


And?


So my reply applies to the drifted topic .. refer to

/On 4 Jun 2017 4:44 p.m., "Matt Ellery" //wrote://
/
/Hi,//
//
/
/On a semi-related topic,//
/
and then to

/On 05-Jun-17 02:43 AM, Adam Snape wrote: //
//Yep, the name tag is only for //
/
And then my reply follows those/. /Thus it does not follow directly on 
from the original subject//but rather a new 'sub' tread.
Applying later responses directly to the original posting/subject does 
not necessarily follow the changes in topic/. //


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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dave F]

On 05/06/2017 22:55, Warin wrote:

Threads, like conversations, drift Dave.


And?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Warin]

Threads, like conversations, drift Dave.

On 05-Jun-17 09:35 PM, Adam Snape wrote:

Hi,

Yes, it's what I did regarding the original topic of this 
conversation. That's all sorted now.
I think Warin refers to Matt Ellery's additional query from yesterday 
regarding a different mapper who has been adding descriptions/details 
in brackets as part of the name tag.


Adam

On 5 June 2017 at 11:34, Dave F > wrote:



On 04/06/2017 23:07, Warin wrote:

Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?


It was a question about tagging techniques. Asking on forums with
a larger user base than one seems appropriate.


Where I am not certain as to a 'best' method of doing
something .. then I contact the list as that gets more ideas
from a number of people.


Which is what he's done.

DaveF



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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

Yes, it's what I did regarding the original topic of this conversation.
That's all sorted now.
I think Warin refers to Matt Ellery's additional query from yesterday
regarding a different mapper who has been adding descriptions/details in
brackets as part of the name tag.

Adam

On 5 June 2017 at 11:34, Dave F  wrote:

>
> On 04/06/2017 23:07, Warin wrote:
>
>> Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?
>>
>
> It was a question about tagging techniques. Asking on forums with a larger
> user base than one seems appropriate.
>
>
>> Where I am not certain as to a 'best' method of doing something .. then I
>> contact the list as that gets more ideas from a number of people.
>>
>
> Which is what he's done.
>
> DaveF
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dave F]

On 04/06/2017 23:07, Warin wrote:

Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?


It was a question about tagging techniques. Asking on forums with a 
larger user base than one seems appropriate.




Where I am not certain as to a 'best' method of doing something .. 
then I contact the list as that gets more ideas from a number of people.


Which is what he's done.

DaveF

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

There probably are some uncooperative mappers out there who perceive any
comment as  criticism and insist upon doing things their own way in
defiance of convention. But, surely the starting assumption should be that
people are cooperative and just unaware of the conventions?

I did contact the mapper regarding the motorway example that started this
conversation via changeset comment (and got a positive response and a thank
you for trying to establish the best way of tagging).

Adam



On 4 Jun 2017 11:51 p.m., "David Woolley" 
wrote:

On 04/06/17 23:07, Warin wrote:

> Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?
>

I think that is because they expect a "mind your own business" response, in
which case there is no casting vote available.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[David Woolley]

On 04/06/17 23:07, Warin wrote:

Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?


I think that is because they expect a "mind your own business" response, 
in which case there is no casting vote available.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Warin]

On 05-Jun-17 02:43 AM, Adam Snape wrote:
Yep, the name tag is only for the name. Any other details should be  a 
tagged separately.
 It might be worth contacting the user as he is a prolific editor and 
continues to use the name tag for descriptions egs. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/498029973 and 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24597207




Why are people so reluctant to contact another mapper?

I would have thought that a contact through the changeset comments would 
have been a first way of raising the issue, rather than through this list?


My personal methods are to first contact the mapper and ask/suggest.
Where I am not certain as to a 'best' method of doing something .. then 
I contact the list as that gets more ideas from a number of people.




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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Yep, the name tag is only for the name. Any other details should be  a
tagged separately.
 It might be worth contacting the user as he is a prolific editor and
continues to use the name tag for descriptions egs.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/498029973 and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24597207

Adam


On 4 Jun 2017 4:44 p.m., "Matt Ellery"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On a semi-related topic, I've noticed that one particular mapper has been
> using the name tag to include extra information in my area, usually in
> parentheses e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pvI
>
> Am I right to think that this is generally frowned upon? The mapper seems
> to have moved on for now, so I'll just go through the list and move the
> extra detail to the proper tags but if anyone is interested in the other
> areas he's mapped (at the moment it's Portsmouth) you may want to do a
> similar check.
>
> Matt
>
> On 1 June 2017 at 13:15, Dave F  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Alt_name is used for an alternative *official* name, such as a different
>> spelling etc.
>>
>> In this case loc_name appears more appropriate to me.
>>
>> DaveF
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2017 12:59, Adam Snape wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Possibly JOSM does. I used iD for this simple change. Whilst alt_name
>> does seem odd, so would loc_name, so I thought it to be the better of two
>> options.. If there's a consensus in favour of changing I'll happily do so.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On 1 June 2017 at 12:52, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Adam Snape 
>>> wrote:
>>> > So that map users aren't confused by directions using non-existant
>>> names,
>>> > I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and added
>>> a
>>> > note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6 labelled
>>> "Preston
>>> > By-Pass" from name to old_name.
>>>
>>> I thought that when you use a alt_name without a name, JOSM gives you a
>>> warning.
>>> which makes sense to me, because you provide an "alternative name" to
>>> something that does not have a name...
>>>
>>> m.
>>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Matt Ellery]

Hi,

On a semi-related topic, I've noticed that one particular mapper has been
using the name tag to include extra information in my area, usually in
parentheses e.g. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pvI

Am I right to think that this is generally frowned upon? The mapper seems
to have moved on for now, so I'll just go through the list and move the
extra detail to the proper tags but if anyone is interested in the other
areas he's mapped (at the moment it's Portsmouth) you may want to do a
similar check.

Matt

On 1 June 2017 at 13:15, Dave F  wrote:

> Hi
> Alt_name is used for an alternative *official* name, such as a different
> spelling etc.
>
> In this case loc_name appears more appropriate to me.
>
> DaveF
>
>
>
> On 01/06/2017 12:59, Adam Snape wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Possibly JOSM does. I used iD for this simple change. Whilst alt_name does
> seem odd, so would loc_name, so I thought it to be the better of two
> options.. If there's a consensus in favour of changing I'll happily do so.
>
> Regards,
>
> Adam
>
> On 1 June 2017 at 12:52, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Adam Snape 
>> wrote:
>> > So that map users aren't confused by directions using non-existant
>> names,
>> > I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and added a
>> > note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6 labelled
>> "Preston
>> > By-Pass" from name to old_name.
>>
>> I thought that when you use a alt_name without a name, JOSM gives you a
>> warning.
>> which makes sense to me, because you provide an "alternative name" to
>> something that does not have a name...
>>
>> m.
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dave F]

Hi
Alt_name is used for an alternative *official* name, such as a different 
spelling etc.


In this case loc_name appears more appropriate to me.

DaveF



On 01/06/2017 12:59, Adam Snape wrote:

Hi,

Possibly JOSM does. I used iD for this simple change. Whilst alt_name 
does seem odd, so would loc_name, so I thought it to be the better of 
two options.. If there's a consensus in favour of changing I'll 
happily do so.


Regards,

Adam

On 1 June 2017 at 12:52, Marc Gemis > wrote:


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Adam Snape
> wrote:
> So that map users aren't confused by directions using
non-existant names,
> I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and
added a
> note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6
labelled "Preston
> By-Pass" from name to old_name.

I thought that when you use a alt_name without a name, JOSM gives
you a warning.
which makes sense to me, because you provide an "alternative name" to
something that does not have a name...

m.




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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

Possibly JOSM does. I used iD for this simple change. Whilst alt_name does
seem odd, so would loc_name, so I thought it to be the better of two
options.. If there's a consensus in favour of changing I'll happily do so.

Regards,

Adam

On 1 June 2017 at 12:52, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Adam Snape 
> wrote:
> > So that map users aren't confused by directions using non-existant names,
> > I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and added a
> > note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6 labelled
> "Preston
> > By-Pass" from name to old_name.
>
> I thought that when you use a alt_name without a name, JOSM gives you a
> warning.
> which makes sense to me, because you provide an "alternative name" to
> something that does not have a name...
>
> m.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Adam Snape  wrote:
> So that map users aren't confused by directions using non-existant names,
> I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and added a
> note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6 labelled "Preston
> By-Pass" from name to old_name.

I thought that when you use a alt_name without a name, JOSM gives you a warning.
which makes sense to me, because you provide an "alternative name" to
something that does not have a name...

m.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

So that map users aren't confused by directions using non-existant names,
I've changed the Walton Summit example from name to alt_name and added a
note to explain. I have also changed the section of the M6 labelled
"Preston By-Pass" from name to old_name.

Thanks for your help,

Adam

On 1 June 2017 at 11:09, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed, and The M6 Toll is variously also referend to locally as Midland
> Expressway (The name of the company that built and manages it under the
> current concession from government till 2054) :
> http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-new-m6-motorway-is-
> seen-on-december-9-2003-in-birmingham-england-picture-id2795609
>
> (though it started out life as the Birmingham Northern Relief Road (BNRR)
> and the original Toll Order is titled "Birmingham Northern Relief Road Toll
> Order 1998", though we now also have the M6 Toll (Collection of Tolls)
> Regulations 2003) )
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk]
> Sent: 31 May 2017 20:02
> To: Talk GB
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?
>
> On 31 May 2017 at 18:38, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Motorways in the UK do no have names
>
> I'll bear that in mind, the next time I'm driving down the Aston
> Expressway:
>
>https://www.gov.uk/government/news/full-closures-of-a38m-
> aston-expressway-and-m6-junction-6-this-weekend
>
> --
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

The replies so far seem to favour altering the tag to alt_name or loc_name.
If there are no more responses I'll go ahead and change it accordingly.

The Mancunian Way is another named motorway. I've just noticed that the
Preston Bypass (part of the M6) is also named in OSM. It is inarguable that
was the name used at the time of the road's opening, but it's seldom
referred to as such these days. Do we think it would be better changed to
old_name or official_name?

Adam

On 31 May 2017 at 20:09, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 20:02 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> > On 31 May 2017 at 18:38, Philip Barnes  wrote:
> >
> > > Motorways in the UK do no have names
> >
> > I'll bear that in mind, the next time I'm driving down the Aston
> > Expressway:
> >
> >https://www.gov.uk/government/news/full-closures-of-a38m-aston-exp
> > ressway-and-m6-junction-6-this-weekend
> >
>
> I had forgotten that one :)
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 20:02 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 31 May 2017 at 18:38, Philip Barnes  wrote:
> 
> > Motorways in the UK do no have names
> 
> I'll bear that in mind, the next time I'm driving down the Aston
> Expressway:
> 
>    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/full-closures-of-a38m-aston-exp
> ressway-and-m6-junction-6-this-weekend
> 

I had forgotten that one :)

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Andy Mabbett]

On 31 May 2017 at 18:38, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> Motorways in the UK do no have names

I'll bear that in mind, the next time I'm driving down the Aston Expressway:

   
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/full-closures-of-a38m-aston-expressway-and-m6-junction-6-this-weekend

-- 
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http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Paul Sladen]

On Wed, 31 May 2017, Philip Barnes wrote:
> these have been removed as there is no evidence of them existing.

Lets remind ourselves how we map from scratch (before signs):

  1. We measure + record what we see on the ground

  2. We ask local humans to supply the names/numbers/dates


-Paul





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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 18:44 +0100, Adam Snape wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> But we do.include local names which are neither official nor signed.
> There is at least some inconsistency in application of the
> verifiability criteria.
> 
> 

Local names are one thing, this could be moved to loc_name if there is
any evidence that it is widely used, but it should certainly be removed
from the name tag forthwith, this could cause serious confusion for map
users if they are told to take "Walton Summit Motorway".

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Jez Nicholson]

'local knowledge'?

On Wed, 31 May 2017 18:39 Philip Barnes,  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 18:29 +0100, Adam Snape wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > "Is it signed as such?"
> >
> > No. No signed or official name.
>
> We have had issues with other mappers adding made up fantasy
> descriptive names to motorways and trunk roads, these have been removed
> as there is no evidence of them existing. This should go the same way.
>
> Motorways in the UK do no have names and OSM is not the place for this,
> we map what really exists and is verifiable.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

But we do.include local names which are neither official nor signed. There
is at least some inconsistency in application of the verifiability criteria.

Adam

On 31 May 2017 6:38 p.m., "Philip Barnes"  wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 18:29 +0100, Adam Snape wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > "Is it signed as such?"
> >
> > No. No signed or official name.
>
> We have had issues with other mappers adding made up fantasy
> descriptive names to motorways and trunk roads, these have been removed
> as there is no evidence of them existing. This should go the same way.
>
> Motorways in the UK do no have names and OSM is not the place for this,
> we map what really exists and is verifiable.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dan S]

2017-05-31 18:38 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes :
> On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 18:29 +0100, Adam Snape wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> "Is it signed as such?"
>>
>> No. No signed or official name.
>
> We have had issues with other mappers adding made up fantasy
> descriptive names to motorways and trunk roads, these have been removed
> as there is no evidence of them existing. This should go the same way.
>
> Motorways in the UK do no have names and OSM is not the place for this,
> we map what really exists and is verifiable.

There are two different cases to distinguish here.
(1) unofficial names for which scant or no evidence can be found
(2) unofficial names which are widely known to locals and often fairly
easy to find documentary support for in web searches, talking to
locals, etc.
The latter are verifiable IMHO and are valuable information to have in
OSM. The biggest issue is that there's usually very little way to
decide what the spatial extent of these things should be labelled as.

Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2017-05-31 at 18:29 +0100, Adam Snape wrote:
> Hi
> 
> "Is it signed as such?"
> 
> No. No signed or official name. 

We have had issues with other mappers adding made up fantasy
descriptive names to motorways and trunk roads, these have been removed
as there is no evidence of them existing. This should go the same way.

Motorways in the UK do no have names and OSM is not the place for this,
we map what really exists and is verifiable.

Phil (trigpoint)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi

"Is it signed as such?"

No. No signed or official name.

Adam

On 31 May 2017 5:15 p.m., "Derick Rethans"  wrote:

> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Adam Snape wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a local
> > stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The
> > motorway is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty
> unusual
> > stretch is known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name
> "Walton
> > Summit Motorway" (see
> > https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=
> Walton_Summit_Motorway
> > and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
> > mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was
> > subsequently removed.
> >
> > Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in
> OSM.
> > We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best?
> > The main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also
> > probably wrong.
>
> Is it signed as such?
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Paul Sladen]

On Wed, 31 May 2017, Adam Snape wrote:
> A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway
> Should we tag such unofficial names
> The main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also
> probably wrong.

I tend to think of 'loc_name=' as meaning "col-LOQ-uial name",
which seems appropriate in the circumstances.

-Paul




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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Derick Rethans]

On Wed, 31 May 2017, Adam Snape wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a local
> stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The
> motorway is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty unusual
> stretch is known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name  "Walton
> Summit Motorway" (see
> https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Walton_Summit_Motorway
> and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
> mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was
> subsequently removed.
> 
> Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in OSM.
> We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best?
> The main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also
> probably wrong.

Is it signed as such?

cheers,
Derick

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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dan S]

I'd imagine it's unusual but I don't see why not. Just my 2p, of course

2017-05-31 17:12 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape :
> Hi Dan,
>
> Thanks, I hadn't considered that one. Is it okay to use an alt_name tag on a
> road without an actual proper name?
>
> Adam
>
> On 31 May 2017 at 17:09, Dan S  wrote:
>>
>> alt_name?
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name
>>
>> 2017-05-31 17:01 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape :
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a
>> > local
>> > stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The
>> > motorway
>> > is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty unusual
>> > stretch is
>> > known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name  "Walton Summit
>> > Motorway" (see
>> >
>> > https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Walton_Summit_Motorway
>> > and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
>> > mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was subsequently
>> > removed.
>> >
>> > Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in
>> > OSM.
>> > We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best?
>> > The
>> > main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also probably
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > Any help appreciated
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi Dan,

Thanks, I hadn't considered that one. Is it okay to use an alt_name tag on
a road without an actual proper name?

Adam

On 31 May 2017 at 17:09, Dan S  wrote:

> alt_name?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name
>
> 2017-05-31 17:01 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape :
> > Hi,
> >
> > A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a local
> > stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The
> motorway
> > is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty unusual
> stretch is
> > known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name  "Walton Summit
> > Motorway" (see
> > https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=
> Walton_Summit_Motorway
> > and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
> > mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was subsequently
> > removed.
> >
> > Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in
> OSM.
> > We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best?
> The
> > main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also probably
> > wrong.
> >
> > Any help appreciated
> >
> > Adam
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Dan S]

alt_name?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name

2017-05-31 17:01 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape :
> Hi,
>
> A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a local
> stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The motorway
> is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty unusual stretch is
> known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name  "Walton Summit
> Motorway" (see
> https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Walton_Summit_Motorway
> and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
> mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was subsequently
> removed.
>
> Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in OSM.
> We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best? The
> main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also probably
> wrong.
>
> Any help appreciated
>
> Adam
>
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[Talk-GB] Whether to tag/best tag for an unofficial name?

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

A new mapper has added a name tag, name=Walton Summit Motorway to a local
stretch of motorway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4720086 . The
motorway is officially unnamed like most motorways but this pretty unusual
stretch is known amongst road enthusiasts by the descriptive name  "Walton
Summit Motorway" (see
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Walton_Summit_Motorway
and http://pathetic.org.uk/secretive/walton_summit_motorway/). The new
mapper isn't the first to have added this name, but it was
subsequently removed.

Should we tag such unofficial names which do have some level of use in OSM.
We do, after all, tag local names.  If we are to include it how is best?
The main name tag seems wrong, loc_name would seem closest but also
probably wrong.

Any help appreciated

Adam
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