Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes 
Not displaying a house number is particularly prevalent with 'end of 
cul-de-sac' man where this makes working out where odd and even meet.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, David Woolley wrote:
> On 30/07/2019 14:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on 
> > buildings or postboxes?
> 
> Postcodes almost never.  The only time you would normally find them is 
> where the building is a company's registered office.
> 
> Housenumbers seem to be only on (gut feeling) about 30% of houses these 
> days, and maybe 5% of commercial premises.  (When they are on houses, 
> they are typically unreadable after dark.  Almost no-one has front gates 
> any longer, which might have carried them in the past.)
> 
> What appears on street signs and post boxes is the outbound postcode (up 
> to the end of the first number).
> 
> Businesses are required to provide an address for service in 
> advertising, including web sites.  This may well be their accountant's. 
> Electronically, they need to provide a geographic address, but, on 
> paper, I think a PO Box number is acceptable.  Non-compliance is 
> endemic, e.g. businesses only contactable over mobile phone numbers.
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Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread David Woolley 

On 30/07/2019 14:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on 
buildings or postboxes?


Postcodes almost never.  The only time you would normally find them is 
where the building is a company's registered office.


Housenumbers seem to be only on (gut feeling) about 30% of houses these 
days, and maybe 5% of commercial premises.  (When they are on houses, 
they are typically unreadable after dark.  Almost no-one has front gates 
any longer, which might have carried them in the past.)


What appears on street signs and post boxes is the outbound postcode (up 
to the end of the first number).


Businesses are required to provide an address for service in 
advertising, including web sites.  This may well be their accountant's. 
Electronically, they need to provide a geographic address, but, on 
paper, I think a PO Box number is acceptable.  Non-compliance is 
endemic, e.g. businesses only contactable over mobile phone numbers.


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Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes 
We can use fhrs to obtain postcodes for businesses which sell food and drink, 
and these can be extended to other premises. 

Residential areas are rather more difficult.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, Andrzej wrote:
> Only postbox reference numbers, which are somewhat related to local postcodes 
> (share the first few characters). It may still be useful to add such quest to 
> StreetComplete.
> 
> Retail businesses and amenities tend to advertise their full addresses, 
> including a postcode but there is no rule to that.
> 
> Best regards, 
> ndrw6 
> 
> 
> On 30 July 2019 15:19:46 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >30 Jul 2019, 11:56 by nd...@redhazel.co.uk:
> >
> >> 10M addresses that have yet to be surveyed.
> >>
> >Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on
> >buildings or postboxes?
> >
> >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_postcodes
> > is not
> >clear,
> >http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/06/my-postbox-obsession
> > suggest
> >that it may be true.
> >
> >I am asking as it may be a suitable quest for StreetComplete.
>

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Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Andrzej 
Only postbox reference numbers, which are somewhat related to local postcodes 
(share the first few characters). It may still be useful to add such quest to 
StreetComplete.

Retail businesses and amenities tend to advertise their full addresses, 
including a postcode but there is no rule to that.

Best regards, 
ndrw6 


On 30 July 2019 15:19:46 CEST, Mateusz Konieczny  
wrote:
>
>
>
>30 Jul 2019, 11:56 by nd...@redhazel.co.uk:
>
>> 10M addresses that have yet to be surveyed.
>>
>Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on
>buildings or postboxes?
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_postcodes
> is not
>clear,
>http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/06/my-postbox-obsession
> suggest
>that it may be true.
>
>I am asking as it may be a suitable quest for StreetComplete.
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Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Gareth L 
I’ve certainly seen full addresses + postcode on the outside of some 
businesses. Never on a house though.

Leeds and London and a few other towns have partial postcodes on street signs.

That wiki page could do with an update and  links to current acceptable 
sources. (As it is flagged as out of date)


On 30 Jul 2019, at 14:20, Mateusz Konieczny 
mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote:




30 Jul 2019, 11:56 by nd...@redhazel.co.uk:
10M addresses that have yet to be surveyed.
Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on 
buildings or postboxes?

Https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_postcodes
 is not clear,
http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/06/my-postbox-obsession suggest that it 
may be true.

I am asking as it may be a suitable quest for StreetComplete.
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Re: [Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Dan S 
Op di 30 jul. 2019 om 14:21 schreef Mateusz Konieczny :
>
>
>
>
> 30 Jul 2019, 11:56 by nd...@redhazel.co.uk:
>
> 10M addresses that have yet to be surveyed.
>
> Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on 
> buildings or postboxes?

No

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_postcodes is not clear,
> http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/06/my-postbox-obsession suggest that it 
> may be true.

No, the postboxes have individual IDs that are related to their
postcode district, but they're not actually full postcodes written on
the postboxes.

Best
Dan

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[Talk-GB] postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny 



30 Jul 2019, 11:56 by nd...@redhazel.co.uk:

> 10M addresses that have yet to be surveyed.
>
Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on 
buildings or postboxes?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_postcodes 
 is not clear,
http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/06/my-postbox-obsession 
 suggest that it 
may be true.

I am asking as it may be a suitable quest for StreetComplete.
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