Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
On 26 March 2012 14:29, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Although I'm only a lurker on openstreetmap and talk-gb, my understanding is that the DfT did not do this and that whoever did add HS2 to OSM would probably not want it deleted. If this is right, then maybe somebody who knows more than me should enlighten these people. I'm trying to explain it all to the group members, it might help if the route were named 'Proposed HS2 route' or similar. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
On 26 March 2012 14:51, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I'm trying to explain it all to the group members, it might help if the route were named 'Proposed HS2 route' or similar. Well, it would help if the standard layer only showed names for thing that it was otherwise drawing. But in general, I would expect to find anti-HS2 protesters willing to delete it no matter what it's called. If anyone wants to investigate the changesets so far, then these two users are involved, perhaps others too: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GMetcalfe http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HAHS2 Part of the Chiltern Mainline has been deleted, just south of West Ruislip, in the crossfire. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.56636lon=-0.42705zoom=17layers=M Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
Andy Allan wrote: I'm trying to explain it all to the group members, it might help if the route were named 'Proposed HS2 route' or similar. Well, it would help if the standard layer only showed names for thing that it was otherwise drawing. But in general, I would expect to find anti-HS2 protesters willing to delete it no matter what it's called. If anyone wants to investigate the changesets so far, then these two users are involved, perhaps others too: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GMetcalfe http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HAHS2 Part of the Chiltern Mainline has been deleted, just south of West Ruislip, in the crossfire. I can see an editor war erupting, but personally I'd prefer to see WHERE the planned route is currently running ON OSM than having to try and match up with third party maps. Yes it SHOULD be marked as proposed, and if we had the fasility - mapped on a selectable layer - but I think that just like any historic material, it does have a place ... I could even make a case for being able to show previous versions of the route. But can someone revert these changesets and this will also restore the collateral damage. We do now have the block mechanism, and I feel this is an ideal candidate for that action? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
I added the data as a proposed rail route using the DfT's published info. It's unfortunate that Mapnik renders the name on the route which is why it shows up on the default map. My original Changesets were as below: #1048624024 January, 2012 17:15 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 #1048578824 January, 2012 17:01 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 #1048526324 January, 2012 18:29 Proposed HS2 rail route (Data provided by DfT under OGL). Route 3 Post Consultation V4 I certainly consider deleting data that's been added in good faith as vandalism, OSM is not here to argue for or against new construction, we just record fact and the fact today is that the Government has proposed a route for HS2 which has been added to OSM. Those deleting the data would be better going and voicing their disagreement of HS2 with the local MP rather than deleting data from OSM. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Barry Cornelius [mailto:barrycorneliu...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 March 2012 14:30 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap The facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/VictimsofHS2/ says it has been brought to my attention that the DfT have plotted and named HS2 on Open Street Map. Open Street Map is open to anyone to sign up to and edit. If you are feeling angry I recommend logging in and deleting sections of the HS2 route - its very theraputic! Although I'm only a lurker on openstreetmap and talk-gb, my understanding is that the DfT did not do this and that whoever did add HS2 to OSM would probably not want it deleted. If this is right, then maybe somebody who knows more than me should enlighten these people. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
Thanks Tom. I've now added a note on the Facebook page too. Changing the name Tag might quieten things a bit. Better still would be not have Mapnik display the name tag at all (since its not displaying the route otherwise) so we could just move the name to another tag? Thoughts anyone? Let's please not get into the argument as to whether HS2 should be built or not! Has anyone done any edit reverts yet? Cheers Andy From: Tom Chance [mailto:t...@acrewoods.net] Sent: 26 March 2012 14:51 To: Barry Cornelius Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap On 26 March 2012 14:29, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Although I'm only a lurker on openstreetmap and talk-gb, my understanding is that the DfT did not do this and that whoever did add HS2 to OSM would probably not want it deleted. If this is right, then maybe somebody who knows more than me should enlighten these people. I'm trying to explain it all to the group members, it might help if the route were named 'Proposed HS2 route' or similar. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
Andy Allan gravitystorm@... writes: If anyone wants to investigate the changesets so far, then these two users are involved, perhaps others too: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GMetcalfe http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HAHS2 And http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Say%20no%20to%20HS2 -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
On 26 March 2012 18:43, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tom. I’ve now added a note on the Facebook page too. All comments relating to OSM have now been deleted from the group, which carries a message saying: DO NOT add members whom you do not know or are not referred by other members unless you are certain who they are… dealing with disputes is not what this group is for. My irony detector has just melted. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap
User Say no to HS was just a rename from the original GMetcalfe. I've now reverted the 5 changesets from these two accounts. I'll look at changing the name tag on the HS2 data when I get a moment to avoid problems in the future. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 26 March 2012 20:01 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] People wanting to remove the route of the HS2 from openstreetmap Andy Allan gravitystorm@... writes: If anyone wants to investigate the changesets so far, then these two users are involved, perhaps others too: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GMetcalfe http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/HAHS2 And http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Say%20no%20to%20HS2 -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
