Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée

[André Pirard]

On 2016-01-03 21:34, lionel bulpa wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> Alors là je comprends plus rien, effectivement tout est là, pourtant
> j'ai regardé 4-5 fois aujourd’hui et les données ne se sont jamais
> affichées. Je n'y comprends plus rien. Enfin bref, le principal est
> que les informations soient là.
Il faut parfois rafraîchir la carte OSM pour voir les tuiles à jour;
Cette carte montre toutes les modifications

du dernier mois (cliquer une tuile, aide: ?
)
> Au passage si vous avez des conseils à me donner sur ma façon de
> mapper, je suis preneur, je suis encore un novice.
Sans aucun doute:  JOSM et le PICC à 20 cm de précision et pas autre chose.

André.


> Merci beaucoup
>
> Lio 
>
> (et merci pour la réponse en français ;) )
> 
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:59:21 +
> From: stijnromba...@yahoo.com
> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée
>
> Bonjour,
>
> [Je vais essayer de répondre en français.]
> Je crois tout est encore dans la base de donnée. Le lien que tu a
> donné me mène vers la version 'MapQuest Open' de OSM qui n'est pas
> renouvelé souvent apparament. Si tu prend la version 'normale' tout
> est là, non? https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/50.41994/4.92651
>
> StijnRR
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* lionel bulpa 
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée
>
> Bonsoir,
>
> Je ne connaissais pas mon historique personnel mais je viens de
> regarder, mes dernières modifications ont bien été faites il y a 29
> jours dans le quartier de Nannine, mon pseudo OSM est Lionel Bulpa
> : 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Lionel%20Bulpa/history#map=12/50.4191/4.9200=Q
>
> Si tu sais m'aider ;) , je dois avouer que je n'ai pas envie de
> recommencer
>
> Merci
>
> Lio
>
> 
> From: mgwebm...@fastmail.fm
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:14:41 +0100
> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée
>
>
> Bonjour Lionel,
>
> Quel est ton nom d’utilisateur sur OSM ? As-tu vérifié tes dernières
> contributions via ta page perso sur openstreetmap.com
>  ?
>
> Matthieu
>
> On 03 Jan 2016, at 18:25, lionel bulpa  > wrote:
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Il y a 29 jours, j'ai ajouté tout un quartier de Nannine (près de
> Namur) dans la base de donnée, je suis sur que les informations
> sont parvenues au serveur car les maisons, l'école, etc
> apparaissaient sur la carte. Je viens de vérifier, personne ne
> semble avoir édité le quartier depuis et pourtant, tout mon
> travail a disparu, quelqu'un sait il pourquoi?
>
> Merci d'avance
>
> Lionel Bulpa
> 
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] VisualEditor on the OSM wiki

[François Lacombe]

Hi,

A big thank you to the sysadmin team for enabling this on the OSM wiki :)
It's a really useful tool and it will surely help people to improve
the page content.

Happy new year everyone :)


François
François Lacombe

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux


2016-01-03 23:02 GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson :
> Hi,
>
> Not sure when this happened (some time recently) but I wanted to thank our
> wiki system admins for adding the VisaulEditor extension to the OSM wiki.
> For those that don't know the extension is a rich text editor for wiki's and
> came about following concern over declining new contributors to the
> wikimedia projects. It has taken many years to develop this extension but it
> is great to see it now being used on the OpenStreetMap wiki (as well as the
> WikiMedia sites).
>
> If you have never edited a wiki page before now is the time to try it out.
> No longer do you have to remember the wiki syntax to make an edit :-)
>
> Rob
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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Ross]

I don't believe that the address should be on either the property or the 
building.


Specific example are where you have a 1 million acre property and if you 
map it out and put the address on the boundary way it will show up 
outside the property because of the shape of the property.  If you put 
it on the building it shows up but gives no indication of where the 
property access is and if you attempted to get there you'd just get lost.


I always put address on node preferably where the access to the property is.

examples of these properties are here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-16.1609/135.6528

Bauhinia Downs is one and the other is Lorella Springs on the other side 
of the north south road here.


As far as landuse=residential goes I have mapped from different sources 
but rather then mapping individual properties map the whole area of 
residential/retail/industrial etc.


An example here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-21.0723/149.2217

Cheers
Ross


On 04/01/16 01:42, Michael Gratton wrote:


So basically there's no consensus about whether property boundaries 
should be included or not, but regardless they  won't get rendered 
anyway.


I experimented by adding some properties and their addresses for a 
couple of streets in around Enmore, and Nominatum was able to find the 
addresses as you'd expect, e.g. searching for "22 charles st, enmore" 
returns . However also as 
expected no boundary or even house number was rendered.


What a shame. It seems that in lieu of having any buildings marked 
out, using property borders would have been a useful way to indicate 
addresses - also seems more correct than using buildings, to my mind 
anyway.


//Mike




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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Graham Jones]

You will find generate_tiles.py etc. in the subversion folder referenced
here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OnDemandTileServer#Mapnik

the instructions in that wiki page are:

 svn co http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik

I don't think subversion is installed by default on ubuntu so you will
probably have to do 'sudo apt-get install subversion' for 'svn' to
work.


On 3 January 2016 at 23:27, Graham Jones  wrote:

> I'm a bit out of practice - haven't done much OSM stuff lately, but when
> you download the OSM mapnik things (to make the mapnik style file), it
> comes with a program called generate_tiles.py.  You give it the bounding
> box of the area you are interested in, and the mapnik style file, and it
> creates the set of tiles - you can put these in a location where your web
> server can get to them and they will be served by apache.
>
> I drew a picture of how it all fitted together in a presentation a while
> ago, because it is quite complicated as you have discovered!
> http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik
>
> I started a wiki page to describe the different methods of making tiles
> once http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles
>
> To get going I'd recommend just having a go with the generate_image.py and
> generate_tiles.py scripts to get something if you are not too interested in
> updating everything in real time etc.
>
> One thing to bear in mind though is that the method of creating the mapnik
> style file has changed since I used it - the default style is now once
> called 'carto', but once you have made the xml style file,
> generate_tiles.py and generate_image.py will work with it.
>
> I hope that helps.   I'm afraid it is rather late in the uk so I have to
> go to bed, but if you need anything else drop me a line and I'll reply
> tomorrow.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Graham.
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 23:14, Skyler F  wrote:
>
>> How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I
>> want to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an
>> application that needs tiles.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just
>>> generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got
>>> the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more
>>> familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit.
>>> Sorry!
>>>
>>> Graham.
>>>
>>> On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F  wrote:
>>>
 I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this,
 and just can't get it to work.

 So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service
 invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up
 the apache test page when I type localhost on my system.

 When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
 I get a bunch of syntax errors:

 renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started
 renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue
 iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7):
 -> ;[renderd01]
 iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14):
 -> ;[renderd02]
 iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33):
 -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
 iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45):
 -> ;[style2]
 iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52):
 -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **

 Isn't this symbol a comment "  ;   "  ?
 Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines?

 On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F 
 wrote:

> Well here is the error log:
>
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
> normal operations
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.002678 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
> globally to suppress this message
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005685 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
> normal operations
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005693 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.559173 2016] [mpm_event:notice] 

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Ok. I finished the apache configuration and am almost done, but when I
typed
service apache2 reload, I got an error

Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with
error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for
details.

Anything I can try to see what wen't wrong. I have been updating that
google drive file with everything I have done so far.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Skyler F  wrote:

> Nevermind, I found the link, part of it was on the next line.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Skyler F  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I am on the download OSM bright, but there is a 404 error when I get
>> here
>>
>> wget http//www.naturalearthdata.com/download/10m/cultural
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg <
>> sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03-01-16 19:58, Skyler F wrote:
>>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'occi', not building...
>>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'rasterlite', not building
>>>
>>> librasterlite has been deprecated by its author [0], consequently
>>> rasterlite support has been removed [1] from Mapnik core in 3.0.1. The
>>> osm & occi support were moved out of core in the same release. [2]
>>>
>>> [0] http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/
>>> [1] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/2977
>>> [2] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/blob/v3.0.2/CHANGELOG.md#301
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Bas
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Joseph Reeves]

Have you considered running 14.04 in a virtual machine under 15.10 on your
laptop?

Qemu / KVM is pretty straightforward to get running, probably easier for a
linux newbie than getting a tileserver built on 15.10, and you'll benefit
from learning about virtualization under Ubuntu. You'll also be able to
experiment with the virtual machine without messing up your usual work
environment.

I've got a setup like this and am very happy with it.

Cheers, Joseph
On 3 Jan 2016 13:37, "Skyler F"  wrote:

> That makes sense,
> The only reason I am running 15.10 is because it supports keyboard
> backlight, brightness, and wifi out of the box on my macbook, where I had
> problems with the 14 LTS.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>
>> ... well I wouldn't say "changed"; 14.04 LTS is still the current LTS and
>> is supported through 2019 (though some tile server dependencies may "move
>> on" and make it not a good idea before then, like happened with 10.04)‎.
>>
>> That's not to say that a 15.10 version of the doc isn't a good idea;
>> speaking for myself I've never had a pressing need to look at it  because
>> I've never jumped onto Ububtu's non-LTS update treadmill.
>>
>> A new LTS version should be out this year (if I understand what Ubuntu
>> normally do).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Skyler F
>> *Sent: *Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:28
>> *To: *talk@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject: *Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
>>
>> Thanks. That got me past step 1.
>>
>> 8 upgraded, 313 newly installed, 0 to remove and 83 not upgraded.
>>
>> So that is the first thing to change in the documentation on the website,
>> instead of libtiff4-dev change it to libtiff-dev.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg > > wrote:
>>
>>> On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
>>> > if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages
>>> that
>>> > are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
>>> > libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.
>>>
>>> Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
>>> libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
>>> package for the distribution in question.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Bas
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[OSM-talk-fr] Listing FANTOIR : statut rapproché/qualifié/non rapproché

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Les listes brutes FANTOIR par commune[1] indiquent désormais, dans la 
première colonne, si une entrée a été :

- rapprochée des données OSM : aussi bien voies que lieux-dits
- non rapprochée mais qualifiée, au moyen des listes déroulantes de statut.
- non rapprochée tout court.

vincent

[1] : http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/liste_brute_fantoir.html

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu BANO... les lieux-dits

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Le 03/01/2016 12:45, Philippe Verdy a écrit :

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:58, . ZZ29 > a écrit :

Maintenant que les lieux-dits sont extraits par les scripts BANO
et rapprochés avec les données OSM, le même code couleur est
désormais utilisé que pour les adresses:
- vert : lieu-dit OSM
- bleu: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre avec un rapprochement OSM
- rouge: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre sans rapprochement avec
OSM (pas de place=* correspondant ou avec un nom trop différent
pour permettre le rapprochement)


Le rapprochement des lieux-dits reprend la logique de celui des voies, 
mais sans tout l'arsenal d'abréviations qu'on a au fil du temps 
compilées côté noms de voies. Pour les lieux-dits, la comparaison des 
noms est basique : passage en majuscule, suppression des accents, de 
quelques caractères parasites et des déterminants.
Donc si en vous promenant sur la carte vous constatez un _non_ 
rapprochement discutable, n'hésitez pas à l'indiquer ici ou via un ticket :

https://github.com/osm-fr/bano/issues/new

merci pour vos retours,
vincent

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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Some great ideas and tools already shared and only January 3rd!

This made me think I should set up a wiki page but I have been beaten to
it. I've expanded on the page to add links to all the resources being
discussed here. Page at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

*Rob*

p.s. Big thank you to our wiki system admins who have now added the
VisualEditor to the wiki. This makes it much easier to edit the wiki so no
excuses for not keeping the pages up to date :-)
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Re: [Talk-pe] Tarea en Sullana en el Tasking Manager de HOT

[Jo]

Olvidado de agregar los videos:
http://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/profile/highlights

Jo

2016-01-03 23:12 GMT+01:00 Jo :

> Hola amigos,
>
> Si tienen ganas de mapear, hay una nueva tarea para la ciudad de Sullana
> en el TM de HOT:
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1414#
>
> He hecho algunos videos de las primeras dos tareas que hizo:
>
> Puede ser instructivo para aprender como mapear con JOSM y hay 'tricks'
> también.
>
> Polyglot
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Christian Quest]

Il n'est plus nécessaire d'ajouter sous même cette couche à l'URL à
rallonge... la couche de vue aérienne de l'IGN a été ajoutée à celles
proposées par défaut par umap (c'est la dernière de la liste).

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 19:33, Laurent Combe  a écrit :

> vincent,
>
> l'idée c'était d'avoir une couche (photo aérienne) incluse dans la liste
> de base (parmi les autres rendus OSM)
>
> la carte que tu cites en exemple ajoute une couche "spécifique" celle
> contenant l'imagerie IGN pour laquelle il a fallu saisir une URL à rallonge
> et qui fait que l'on "démarre" systématiquement dans umap sur ce fond de
> carte
>
> et la discussion du mois dernier s'était terminée sur la proposition de
> cquest de faire cette intégration dans Umap avec le fond IGN (si cela ne
> pose pas de problème légal)
> je venais aux nouvelles ...
>
> laurent
>
> et effectivement l'IGN ne couvre que la france mais dans mon cas cela me
> va bien
>
> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:16, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
>
>> Le 03/01/2016 18:05, Christian Quest a écrit :
>>
>> Par contre, les images aériennes de l'IGN sont limité au territoire
>> français dès qu'on zoome un peu...
>>
>>
>> autant pour moi, je n'ai pas fait attention au sujet "imagerie mapbox"
>> (!!), je me suis arrêté à la "couche vue aérienne".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:01, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit
>> :
>>
>>> Le 03/01/2016 17:58, Laurent Combe a écrit :
>>>
>>> je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap pourrait
>>> intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"
>>>
>>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>> à priori c'est le cas avec la couche ign photos aériennes.
>>>
>>> exemple de test :
>>> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/carte-sans-nom_62176#18/44.77228/-0.34978
>>>
>>> Bonne année à tous et toutes (oui c'est hos sujet mais c'est la période
>>> !)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>
> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>
> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>
> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>
> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
> achieving these aims.

I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:

* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)

* Something more explicit about promoting / encouraging / helping
facilitate the use and contribution of data from/to OSM. (The second
point above only talks about being a point of contact, and not
actually acting to encourage these activities.)

I'm not saying that the group should necessarily focus a lot of
resources on either of these additional areas, but it might be better
to be more general from the outset to cover ourselves in case any
activities stray into these areas. Depending on what form the
organisation takes, we may be more or less constrained to keep within
our stated aims -- particularly if it comes to anything that could be
seen as speaking in favour of compatible OpenData in the political
arena.

Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[osm . sanspourriel]

On peut compléter avec les images MapQuest qui n'ont pas de restriction 
d'utilisation autre que classique (mais je ne sais si ça va beaucoup 
plus loin que l'IGN "dès qu'on zoome un peu", sauf sur les États-Unis). 
L'évolution Nase Blue Marble / vue satellite classique est un peu 
perturbante, mais comme ça ne concernerait que les niveau de zoom "quand 
on zoome un peu", ce ne serait sans doute pas visible.


Et comme c'est umap.openstreetmap.fr, si ça marche mieux en France ce 
n'est pas complètement choquant.


Avoir la possibilité d'utiliser une couche aérienne (ou éventuellement 
autre) MapBox en donnant la couche (si on veut autre chose que 
l'aérienne) et sa propre clé MapBox serait peut-être un compromis 
acceptable même s'il revient à favoriser un producteur.
Il faudrait dans ce cas proposer un contact pour que d'autres 
fournisseurs puissent proposer d'autres couches.


Hors sujet d'époque : bonne année et qu'elle dure au delà du 7 janvier 
cette fois-ci !


Jean-Yvon


Le 03/01/2016 18:05, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :
Par contre, les images aériennes de l'IGN sont limité au territoire 
français dès qu'on zoome un peu...




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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I want
to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an application
that needs tiles.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones 
wrote:

> I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just
> generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got
> the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more
> familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit.
> Sorry!
>
> Graham.
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F  wrote:
>
>> I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this, and
>> just can't get it to work.
>>
>> So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service
>> invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up
>> the apache test page when I type localhost on my system.
>>
>> When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
>> I get a bunch of syntax errors:
>>
>> renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started
>> renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue
>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7):
>> -> ;[renderd01]
>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14):
>> -> ;[renderd02]
>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33):
>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45):
>> -> ;[style2]
>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52):
>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
>>
>> Isn't this symbol a comment "  ;   "  ?
>> Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well here is the error log:
>>>
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
>>> normal operations
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.002678 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
>>> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
>>> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
>>> globally to suppress this message
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005685 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
>>> normal operations
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005693 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.559173 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
>>> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
>>> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
>>> globally to suppress this message
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562223 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
>>> normal operations
>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562231 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
>>> [Sun Jan 03 15:15:05.934508 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
>>> 140426070529920] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Graham Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I haven't seen that before - I always use "/etc/init.d/apache2
 restart", but i think that is just the old fashioned way of doing what you
 are doing.
 I'd look at the bottom of  /var/log/apache2/error.log - the messages
 are often helpful.

 Graham.

 On 3 January 2016 at 22:05, Skyler F  wrote:

> Ok. I finished the apache configuration and am almost done, but when I
> typed
> service apache2 reload, I got an error
>
> Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with
> error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" 
> for
> details.
>
> Anything I can try to see what wen't wrong. I have been updating that
> google drive file with everything I have done so far.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Skyler F 
> wrote:
>
>> Nevermind, I found the link, part of it was on the next line.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Skyler F 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I am on the download OSM bright, but there is a 404 error when I
>>> get here
>>>
>>> wget http//www.naturalearthdata.com/download/10m/cultural
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Sebastiaan 

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

So I am trying to figure out what happened to apache, and I am getting this
error under

 systemctl status apache2.service

Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: * The apache2 configtest failed.
Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: Output of config test was:
Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: AH00526: Syntax error on line 12 of
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf:
Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: Invalid command
'LoadTileConfigFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not
included in the server configuration
Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: Action 'configtest' failed.
Jan 03 19:16:17 kd0whb apache2[22929]: The Apache error log may have more
information.

I checked the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf and everything
seemed to be just as the website told me to add.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Graham Jones 
wrote:

> You will find generate_tiles.py etc. in the subversion folder referenced
> here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OnDemandTileServer#Mapnik
>
> the instructions in that wiki page are:
>
>  svn co http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik
>
> I don't think subversion is installed by default on ubuntu so you will 
> probably have to do 'sudo apt-get install subversion' for 'svn' to work.
>
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 23:27, Graham Jones  wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit out of practice - haven't done much OSM stuff lately, but when
>> you download the OSM mapnik things (to make the mapnik style file), it
>> comes with a program called generate_tiles.py.  You give it the bounding
>> box of the area you are interested in, and the mapnik style file, and it
>> creates the set of tiles - you can put these in a location where your web
>> server can get to them and they will be served by apache.
>>
>> I drew a picture of how it all fitted together in a presentation a while
>> ago, because it is quite complicated as you have discovered!
>> http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik
>>
>> I started a wiki page to describe the different methods of making tiles
>> once http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles
>>
>> To get going I'd recommend just having a go with the generate_image.py
>> and generate_tiles.py scripts to get something if you are not too
>> interested in updating everything in real time etc.
>>
>> One thing to bear in mind though is that the method of creating the
>> mapnik style file has changed since I used it - the default style is now
>> once called 'carto', but once you have made the xml style file,
>> generate_tiles.py and generate_image.py will work with it.
>>
>> I hope that helps.   I'm afraid it is rather late in the uk so I have to
>> go to bed, but if you need anything else drop me a line and I'll reply
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Graham.
>>
>> On 3 January 2016 at 23:14, Skyler F  wrote:
>>
>>> How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I
>>> want to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an
>>> application that needs tiles.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just
 generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got
 the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more
 familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit.
 Sorry!

 Graham.

 On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F  wrote:

> I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this,
> and just can't get it to work.
>
> So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service
> invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up
> the apache test page when I type localhost on my system.
>
> When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
> I get a bunch of syntax errors:
>
> renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started
> renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue
> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7):
> -> ;[renderd01]
> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14):
> -> ;[renderd02]
> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33):
> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45):
> -> ;[style2]
> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52):
> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
>
> Isn't this symbol a comment "  ;   "  ?
> Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines?
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F 
> wrote:
>
>> Well here is the error log:
>>
>> [Sun 

Re: [OSM-talk] VisualEditor on the OSM wiki

[Éric Gillet]

I thought I missed the announcement, but looks like it was a secret gift
from the wiki sysadmins !

Thank you and have a good 2016 :)


> 2016-01-03 23:02 GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson :
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not sure when this happened (some time recently) but I wanted to thank
> our
> > wiki system admins for adding the VisaulEditor extension to the OSM wiki.
> > For those that don't know the extension is a rich text editor for wiki's
> and
> > came about following concern over declining new contributors to the
> > wikimedia projects. It has taken many years to develop this extension
> but it
> > is great to see it now being used on the OpenStreetMap wiki (as well as
> the
> > WikiMedia sites).
> >
> > If you have never edited a wiki page before now is the time to try it
> out.
> > No longer do you have to remember the wiki syntax to make an edit :-)
> >
> > Rob
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Graham Jones]

I'm a bit out of practice - haven't done much OSM stuff lately, but when
you download the OSM mapnik things (to make the mapnik style file), it
comes with a program called generate_tiles.py.  You give it the bounding
box of the area you are interested in, and the mapnik style file, and it
creates the set of tiles - you can put these in a location where your web
server can get to them and they will be served by apache.

I drew a picture of how it all fitted together in a presentation a while
ago, because it is quite complicated as you have discovered!
http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik

I started a wiki page to describe the different methods of making tiles
once http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles

To get going I'd recommend just having a go with the generate_image.py and
generate_tiles.py scripts to get something if you are not too interested in
updating everything in real time etc.

One thing to bear in mind though is that the method of creating the mapnik
style file has changed since I used it - the default style is now once
called 'carto', but once you have made the xml style file,
generate_tiles.py and generate_image.py will work with it.

I hope that helps.   I'm afraid it is rather late in the uk so I have to go
to bed, but if you need anything else drop me a line and I'll reply
tomorrow.

Regards


Graham.

On 3 January 2016 at 23:14, Skyler F  wrote:

> How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I want
> to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an application
> that needs tiles.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just
>> generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got
>> the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more
>> familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit.
>> Sorry!
>>
>> Graham.
>>
>> On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F  wrote:
>>
>>> I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this, and
>>> just can't get it to work.
>>>
>>> So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service
>>> invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up
>>> the apache test page when I type localhost on my system.
>>>
>>> When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
>>> I get a bunch of syntax errors:
>>>
>>> renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started
>>> renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue
>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7):
>>> -> ;[renderd01]
>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14):
>>> -> ;[renderd02]
>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33):
>>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45):
>>> -> ;[style2]
>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52):
>>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
>>>
>>> Isn't this symbol a comment "  ;   "  ?
>>> Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well here is the error log:

 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
 normal operations
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.002678 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
 AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
 qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
 globally to suppress this message
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005685 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
 normal operations
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005693 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.559173 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
 AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
 qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
 globally to suppress this message
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562223 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
 normal operations
 [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562231 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
 [Sun Jan 

Re: [OSM-talk] VisualEditor on the OSM wiki

[Grant Slater]

Hi All,

Glad you like it. I enabled it 2 days ago.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/commit/8d3c08fa5ec0a351555df7629083c7f54ad262fb

The Parsoid API is now supported, which should allow
http://www.kiwix.org/ to make an offline copy of the OSM wiki.

Kind regards,

Grant


On 3 January 2016 at 22:39, Éric Gillet  wrote:
> I thought I missed the announcement, but looks like it was a secret gift
> from the wiki sysadmins !
>
> Thank you and have a good 2016 :)
>
>>
>> 2016-01-03 23:02 GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson :
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Not sure when this happened (some time recently) but I wanted to thank
>> > our
>> > wiki system admins for adding the VisaulEditor extension to the OSM
>> > wiki.
>> > For those that don't know the extension is a rich text editor for wiki's
>> > and
>> > came about following concern over declining new contributors to the
>> > wikimedia projects. It has taken many years to develop this extension
>> > but it
>> > is great to see it now being used on the OpenStreetMap wiki (as well as
>> > the
>> > WikiMedia sites).
>> >
>> > If you have never edited a wiki page before now is the time to try it
>> > out.
>> > No longer do you have to remember the wiki syntax to make an edit :-)
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this, and
just can't get it to work.

So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service
invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up
the apache test page when I type localhost on my system.

When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf
I get a bunch of syntax errors:

renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started
renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue
iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7):
-> ;[renderd01]
iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14):
-> ;[renderd02]
iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33):
-> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **
iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45):
-> ;[style2]
iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52):
-> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd **

Isn't this symbol a comment "  ;   "  ?
Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines?

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F  wrote:

> Well here is the error log:
>
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
> normal operations
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.002678 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
> globally to suppress this message
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005685 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
> normal operations
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005693 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.559173 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully
> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive
> globally to suppress this message
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562223 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming
> normal operations
> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.562231 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
> [Sun Jan 03 15:15:05.934508 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid
> 140426070529920] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Graham Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen that before - I always use "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart",
>> but i think that is just the old fashioned way of doing what you are doing.
>> I'd look at the bottom of  /var/log/apache2/error.log - the messages are
>> often helpful.
>>
>> Graham.
>>
>> On 3 January 2016 at 22:05, Skyler F  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. I finished the apache configuration and am almost done, but when I
>>> typed
>>> service apache2 reload, I got an error
>>>
>>> Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with
>>> error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Anything I can try to see what wen't wrong. I have been updating that
>>> google drive file with everything I have done so far.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Skyler F 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nevermind, I found the link, part of it was on the next line.

 On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Skyler F 
 wrote:

> Ok, I am on the download OSM bright, but there is a 404 error when I
> get here
>
> wget http//www.naturalearthdata.com/download/10m/cultural
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg <
> sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 03-01-16 19:58, Skyler F wrote:
>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'occi', not building...
>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'rasterlite', not building
>>
>> librasterlite has been deprecated by its author [0], consequently
>> rasterlite support has been removed [1] from Mapnik core in 3.0.1. The
>> osm & occi support were moved out of core in the same release. [2]
>>
>> [0] http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/
>> [1] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/2977
>> [2] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/blob/v3.0.2/CHANGELOG.md#301
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Bas
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Rob Nickerson]

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>>
>> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>>
>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to
improve
>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>>
>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to
use
>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>>
>> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
>> achieving these aims.

Robert W wrote:
>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
>
>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)
>
>

Hi Robert,

I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general
note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event
last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them
you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this
case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to
the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in
Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or
Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the
Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly
interpreting.

Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with
their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution
of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of
OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your
wording here.

Best,
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Re: [Talk-es] Nombre más claro de algunas líneas de autobús

[A A]

Me refería a que el sentido en el que vaya el autobús por una vía determinada 
no determina el sentido de la ruta, me explico: que un autobús vaya por la 
calle X hacia el Norte no quiere decir que su destino final esté en el Norte 
sino que el autobús puede ir hacia cualquier destino, es más, hay ciertas 
paradas  en las que una ruta determinada puede ir en cualquiera de los dos 
sentidos porque en dicho tramo de la vía el autobús va en una misma dirección 
sea cual sea su destino.
De todas formas veo que soy el único que lo piensa, así que los nombres de las 
rutas están bien como están. Un saludo y gracias por contestar

> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:23:55 +0100
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> To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Nombre más claro de algunas líneas de
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée

[Jo]

Salut Lionel,

Ce n'est pas 'personnalisé' sur ton style de mapper, mais j'ai commencé par
faire des vidéos screencast pour montrer comment on peut utiliser JOSM pour
le mapping de HOT (Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team):

http://www.twitch.tv/polyglot_openstreetmap/profile/highlights

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Nevermind, it decided to work finally yay!

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Skyler F  wrote:

> Ok, so I am in Ubuntu 14 LTS, and decided to just install from packages:
>
> https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/building-a-tile-server-from-packages/
>
> I did every step, but I am just getting* Pink tiles *just like I did when
> I tried it a while back.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joseph Reeves 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you considered running 14.04 in a virtual machine under 15.10 on
>> your laptop?
>>
>> Qemu / KVM is pretty straightforward to get running, probably easier for
>> a linux newbie than getting a tileserver built on 15.10, and you'll benefit
>> from learning about virtualization under Ubuntu. You'll also be able to
>> experiment with the virtual machine without messing up your usual work
>> environment.
>>
>> I've got a setup like this and am very happy with it.
>>
>> Cheers, Joseph
>> On 3 Jan 2016 13:37, "Skyler F"  wrote:
>>
>>> That makes sense,
>>> The only reason I am running 15.10 is because it supports keyboard
>>> backlight, brightness, and wifi out of the box on my macbook, where I had
>>> problems with the 14 LTS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Andy Townsend 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ... well I wouldn't say "changed"; 14.04 LTS is still the current LTS
 and is supported through 2019 (though some tile server dependencies may
 "move on" and make it not a good idea before then, like happened with
 10.04)‎.

 That's not to say that a 15.10 version of the doc isn't a good idea;
 speaking for myself I've never had a pressing need to look at it  because
 I've never jumped onto Ububtu's non-LTS update treadmill.

 A new LTS version should be out this year (if I understand what Ubuntu
 normally do).

 Cheers,
 Andy



 *From: *Skyler F
 *Sent: *Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:28
 *To: *talk@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject: *Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10
 troubleshooting

 Thanks. That got me past step 1.

 8 upgraded, 313 newly installed, 0 to remove and 83 not upgraded.

 So that is the first thing to change in the documentation on the
 website, instead of libtiff4-dev change it to libtiff-dev.



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 sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
> > if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the
> packages that
> > are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
> > libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.
>
> Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
> libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
> package for the distribution in question.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] MHD

[Jan Cibulka]

Zdravím,
jen FYI, vektory k trasám linek MHD zveřejňuje DPP ve vektorové podobě (takže 
netřeba klikat), přístupové údaje zde: 
https://datastory.cz/informace-zpusobuji-silenstvi/

-Original Message-
From: Kamenitxan [mailto:kamenit...@me.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:43 PM
To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-cz] MHD

Zdravím,
pokusil jsem se naklikat linku 253 v Praze. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36339114
Je to tak dobře nebo bych měl něco dělat jinak.

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Re: [Talk-lt] Gyvenamoji zona ir living_street

[Tomas Straupis]

Labas

2016 m. sausio 1 d. 09:38, Ričardas rašė:
> Ar sutinkate, kad tokios gatvės turi būti pakeistos į living_street?

  Gedimino prospektas kaip ir gautųsi living_street dėl to, kad
pažymėtas ženklu gyvenamoji zona, bet čia tik pasirinkime iš
residential, unclassified ir living_street. O kadangi tai
pravažiuojamoji gatvė aukštesnės kategorijos, tai dabartinis secondary
„kerta“/permuša living_zone. Analogiškai kaip kokiame nors mažesniame
miestelyje centrinė gatvė kaip ir būtų residential, bet per ją eina
svarbus kelias, todėl ta centrinė gatvė žymima ne residential ar
living_street o tertiary, secondary ar kita aukštesne klasifikacija.

  Žodžiu manau Gedimino prospektą galima palikti kaip yra, nekeisti į
living_street.

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[Talk-dk] købehavns kommune / osm

[Emil Tin]

Hej,
Efter at have fulgt denne listen i et par år, i forbindelse med mit arbejde på 
Københavns Kommune med vores cykelapp der (anvender OSM data), afmelder jeg mig 
nu, da der kommer lidt mange emails og de ikke er helt så relevant for mig pt.

I er altid velkomne til at emaile mig direkte angående OSM/Københavns Kommune 
data, cykelappen, etc.



Med venlig hilsen
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Ok, so I am in Ubuntu 14 LTS, and decided to just install from packages:

https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/building-a-tile-server-from-packages/

I did every step, but I am just getting* Pink tiles *just like I did when I
tried it a while back.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Joseph Reeves  wrote:

> Have you considered running 14.04 in a virtual machine under 15.10 on your
> laptop?
>
> Qemu / KVM is pretty straightforward to get running, probably easier for a
> linux newbie than getting a tileserver built on 15.10, and you'll benefit
> from learning about virtualization under Ubuntu. You'll also be able to
> experiment with the virtual machine without messing up your usual work
> environment.
>
> I've got a setup like this and am very happy with it.
>
> Cheers, Joseph
> On 3 Jan 2016 13:37, "Skyler F"  wrote:
>
>> That makes sense,
>> The only reason I am running 15.10 is because it supports keyboard
>> backlight, brightness, and wifi out of the box on my macbook, where I had
>> problems with the 14 LTS.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>>
>>> ... well I wouldn't say "changed"; 14.04 LTS is still the current LTS
>>> and is supported through 2019 (though some tile server dependencies may
>>> "move on" and make it not a good idea before then, like happened with
>>> 10.04)‎.
>>>
>>> That's not to say that a 15.10 version of the doc isn't a good idea;
>>> speaking for myself I've never had a pressing need to look at it  because
>>> I've never jumped onto Ububtu's non-LTS update treadmill.
>>>
>>> A new LTS version should be out this year (if I understand what Ubuntu
>>> normally do).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Skyler F
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, 3 January 2016 17:28
>>> *To: *talk@openstreetmap.org
>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
>>>
>>> Thanks. That got me past step 1.
>>>
>>> 8 upgraded, 313 newly installed, 0 to remove and 83 not upgraded.
>>>
>>> So that is the first thing to change in the documentation on the
>>> website, instead of libtiff4-dev change it to libtiff-dev.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg <
>>> sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
 On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
 > if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages
 that
 > are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
 > libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.

 Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
 libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
 package for the distribution in question.

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[Talk-de] Georeferenzierung von Commons-Bildern

[Markus]

Wie kann man Bilder in Commons georeferenzieren?

Gibt es ein OSM-Tool, mit dem auf einer OSM-Karte die Parameter bestimmt
werden können,
 um diese als Georeferenzierung für Commons-Bilder zu verwenden?

Parameter:
- Standort des Fotografen
- Blickrichtung
- Position des Objektes
- Distanz zum Objekt
- Genauigkeit der Parameter (für "da müsste es gewesen sein")
- Kategorie für das Bild
- ...

Was muss man wie in Commons eintragen?

Mit herzlichem Gruss,
Markus

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[Talk-it] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] VisualEditor on the OSM wiki

[Simone Cortesi]

Grant (sysadmin Openstreetmap) ha abilitato il supporto per il visualeditor
nella wiki OSM.

http://wiki.osm.org

...divertitevi :-)
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Grant Slater" 
Date: Jan 4, 2016 04:17
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] VisualEditor on the OSM wiki
To: "Éric Gillet" 
Cc: "OpenStreetMap" 

Hi All,

Glad you like it. I enabled it 2 days ago.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/commit/8d3c08fa5ec0a351555df7629083c7f54ad262fb

The Parsoid API is now supported, which should allow
http://www.kiwix.org/ to make an offline copy of the OSM wiki.

Kind regards,

Grant


On 3 January 2016 at 22:39, Éric Gillet  wrote:
> I thought I missed the announcement, but looks like it was a secret gift
> from the wiki sysadmins !
>
> Thank you and have a good 2016 :)
>
>>
>> 2016-01-03 23:02 GMT+01:00 Rob Nickerson :
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Not sure when this happened (some time recently) but I wanted to thank
>> > our
>> > wiki system admins for adding the VisaulEditor extension to the OSM
>> > wiki.
>> > For those that don't know the extension is a rich text editor for
wiki's
>> > and
>> > came about following concern over declining new contributors to the
>> > wikimedia projects. It has taken many years to develop this extension
>> > but it
>> > is great to see it now being used on the OpenStreetMap wiki (as well as
>> > the
>> > WikiMedia sites).
>> >
>> > If you have never edited a wiki page before now is the time to try it
>> > out.
>> > No longer do you have to remember the wiki syntax to make an edit :-)
>> >
>> > Rob
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Re: [Talk-de] Georeferenzierung von Commons-Bildern

[Sarah Hoffmann]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:31:31AM +0100, Markus wrote:
> Wie kann man Bilder in Commons georeferenzieren?
> 
> Gibt es ein OSM-Tool, mit dem auf einer OSM-Karte die Parameter bestimmt
> werden können,
>  um diese als Georeferenzierung für Commons-Bilder zu verwenden?
> 
> Parameter:
> - Standort des Fotografen
> - Blickrichtung
> - Position des Objektes
> - Distanz zum Objekt
> - Genauigkeit der Parameter (für "da müsste es gewesen sein")
> - Kategorie für das Bild
> - ...
> 
> Was muss man wie in Commons eintragen?

Versuche es mal mit diesem Link:

http://www.lmdfdg.at/?q=Georeferenzierung%20von%20Commons-Bildern

Der ist ungemein nützlich für alle Fragen mit Geobezug. Geht
auch schneller als jedes Mal eine lange Mail zu formulieren.

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-cz] kam s fotografiemi?

[Jachym Cepicky]

Nějak zapojit Mapillary ?

so 2. 1. 2016 v 21:52 odesílatel Petr Holub  napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> > Rozcestníky a informační tabule sbíráme na old.openstreetmap.cz, zbytek
> asi hodit na
> > wikimedia.
> > S tím zobrazování alá seznam to bude horší - hlavní stránce
> openstreetmap chybí i klikatelné
> > body zájmu alá seznam. A zatím nevím o tom, že by se na tom pracovalo.
>
> pro photo mapping existovaly napr. MapPIN, OpenStreetPhoto, ci
> OpenStreetView, ale
> netusim, jak/jeslti jsou jeste zive
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Photo_mapping
>
> Sam jsem kdysi to OpenStreetView pouzival, umoznuje to i review
> fotek a maskovani privacy-sensitive veci jako jsou xitchy a SPZky.
>
> Petr
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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Simon Poole]

The Karlsruher Schema is intended for postal addresses, typically the
tags are used on building outlines or on nodes. I wouldn't use them on
landuse boundaries. Nor would I import fine grained land ownership in
the first place (you should be able to find discussion of the pros and
cons on the talk or talk-us mailings lists some time back.

Simon

Am 03.01.2016 um 07:29 schrieb Michael Gratton:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Now that the NSW LPI goldmine is available, I'd like to be able to tag
> individual residential and commercial property boundaries. Looking at
> the wiki, it seems like boundary=administrative isn't applicable and
> landuse=... is for larger areas, so is the only useful tagging scheme
> something like:
>
>> area=yes
>> addr:housenumber=...
>> addr:street=...
>
> But then Karlsruhe says that buildings should be tagged with the
> addr:* tags instead?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> //Mike
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Re: [Talk-it] rivendita serrament, Costruzione serramenti.

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 03.01.2016 um 09:55 schrieb Aury88 :
> 
> 1)potrei usare il landuse assieme al place sull'intero distretto e poi usare
> l tag works per le singole aziende
> 2)oppure semplicemente mappare a livello particellare le singole aziende sia
> con works sia con landuse e lasciare sul perimetro del distretto solo il tag
> place...giusto?


si, puoi fare uno o l'altro, e potresti anche avere situazioni dove non tutta 
la zona industriale (place) è sempre dello stesso landuse=industrial (ci 
potrebbero essere per esempio greenfield, brownfield, ma anche residential, 
commercial, retail ecc.)

 
> 
> 3)dici che il tag landuse=industrial è un po' ridondante ma più generico di
> works...ma a questo punto potrei semplicemente mappare anche senza usare
> landuse= industrial e lasciando solamente il place per il distretto
> industriale e il man_made=works per le singole aziende?


dipende dal valore place che si usa, ma si. Io per completezza metterei anche i 
landuse, ma questo è una scelta forse discutibile .

ciao,
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[Talk-cz] Strava editor

[Miroslav Suchý]

Možná jsem objevil Ameriku, ale třeba to někdo nezná:
  http://strava.github.io/iD/
Je Id editor se Strava pluginem, kde je heatmapa kudy lidi chodi behat
ci jezdit na kole s GPSkou.
Velmi dobre se podle toho kresli cesty v udoli kde vlastni cesta z GPSky
obcas kvuli signalu dost uskoci.
Nebo jsem to pouzil na cesty kde vim kde zacinaji a konci, vim o jakou
cestu jde, ale nemam z toho GPS zaznam.

Mirek


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Re: [Talk-it] rivendita serrament, Costruzione serramenti.

[Aury88]

dieterdreist wrote
> 
> va messo su una qualsiasi area di uso prevalentemente industriale o di
> magazzinaggio (considerato anche questo uso industriale in osm), in questo
> caso potrebbe coincidere con il man made=works ma non è del tutto
> ridondante (è più generico di works), ma un po' di ridondanza ci posso
> attestare anch'io. Il landuse potrebbe anche comprendere più di un sito, o
> parte di un sito, cioè non è necessariamente lo stesso poligono che per
> man_made=works

quindi, se ho capito bene,potrei mappare così:
Prendiamo come esempio Gela dove ci sono dei "distretti" industriali
all'interno dei quali ci sono più fabbriche/aziende che non hanno nulla a
che fare l'una con l'altra. 
1)potrei usare il landuse assieme al place sull'intero distretto e poi usare
l tag works per le singole aziende
2)oppure semplicemente mappare a livello particellare le singole aziende sia
con works sia con landuse e lasciare sul perimetro del distretto solo il tag
place...giusto?

3)dici che il tag landuse=industrial è un po' ridondante ma più generico di
works...ma a questo punto potrei semplicemente mappare anche senza usare
landuse= industrial e lasciando solamente il place per il distretto
industriale e il man_made=works per le singole aziende?

io sto cercando in realtà di usare lo stesso stile che mi avevate
consigliato per il landuse=farmland/orchard cioè usando la chiave landuse
sulla singola attività produttiva; speravo di poter usare i landuse tutti in
una maniera omogenea in modo da rendere il più coerente possibile la
mappatura, non solo come tag , ma anche come stile e quindi sarei più
propenso per lo stile 2) se va bene...

però vorrei allo stesso tempo cercare di mantenere uno stile unico a livello
almeno nazionale quindi volevo sapere che metodo consigliano gli altri per
la mappatura così precisa (cioè della singola industria e come questa viene
inquadrata nei distretti) per mettere magari una nota o  migliorare la
spiegazione del it.wiki e fare in modo che tutti mappiamo tendenzialmente
nella stessa maniera




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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Michael Gratton]

Yes, as I said landuse doesn't seem to be what I'm after here.

What was the objection to fine grained land ownership in OSM? Seems 
like a particularly useful thing to have in. Is it just "imports suck"?


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On Sun, 3 Jan, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:


The Karlsruher Schema is intended for postal addresses, typically the
tags are used on building outlines or on nodes. I wouldn't use them on
landuse boundaries. Nor would I import fine grained land ownership in
the first place (you should be able to find discussion of the pros and
cons on the talk or talk-us mailings lists some time back.

Simon

Am 03.01.2016 um 07:29 schrieb Michael Gratton:


 Hey all,

 Now that the NSW LPI goldmine is available, I'd like to be able to 
tag
 individual residential and commercial property boundaries. Looking 
at

 the wiki, it seems like boundary=administrative isn't applicable and
 landuse=... is for larger areas, so is the only useful tagging 
scheme

 something like:


 area=yes
 addr:housenumber=...
 addr:street=...


 But then Karlsruhe says that buildings should be tagged with the
 addr:* tags instead?

 Any suggestions?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Christian Quest]

Recalcul en cours...

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:30, Otourly Wiki  a écrit :

> Et le résultat est visible sur Openstreetmap.org !
> A-tu prévu le renouvellement des tuiles du rendu fr ?
> Depuis que tu as mis de la verdure sur ce dernier j'ai vraiment du mal
> avec le site officiel . :P
>
> Florian
>
>
> Le Samedi 2 janvier 2016 12h30, Christian Quest 
> a écrit :
>
>
> Mise à jour en cours...
>
> J'ai mis un disused:admin_level=4 pour les anciennes relations de régions
> fusionnées.
>
> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:08, Christian Quest  a
> écrit :
>
> Remember...
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-June/068612.html
>
> Au 1er Janvier, il suffira de vérifier que les relations sont toujours OK
> et de mettre à jour les tags... et hop ;)
>
> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:00,  a écrit :
>
> Visiblement la Normandie a perdu bien des tags des régions Haute- et
> Basse-Normandie.
> Par exemple les traductions.
> Certaines sont faciles (name:en=Normandy).
> Pour d'autres il faudra peut-être retrouver les auteurs des traductions
> des *-Normandie (ou sur Wikipedia).
>
> Pour "Nord-Pas-de-Calais et Picardie" il doit suffire de savoir dire "et"
> ;-).
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
> Le 29/12/2015 19:52, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> des relations existent déjà, elle sont tagué :
> boundary=administrative
> admin_level:proposed=4
>
> pour les voir :
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dti
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Philippe Verdy]

Le rendu fr est à jour, il se fait tout seul, mais on peut l'accélérer avec
"/dirty" pour les hauts niveaux de zoom (et c'est fait). Pour les niveaux
faibles, "/dirty" est désactivé, les tuiles sont mises à jour de temps en
temps (en gros une fois par mois dans ce que j'ai vu).
Il n'y a pas d'urgence de toute façon.

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:30, Otourly Wiki  a écrit :

> Et le résultat est visible sur Openstreetmap.org !
> A-tu prévu le renouvellement des tuiles du rendu fr ?
> Depuis que tu as mis de la verdure sur ce dernier j'ai vraiment du mal
> avec le site officiel . :P
>
> Florian
>
>
> Le Samedi 2 janvier 2016 12h30, Christian Quest 
> a écrit :
>
>
> Mise à jour en cours...
>
> J'ai mis un disused:admin_level=4 pour les anciennes relations de régions
> fusionnées.
>
> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:08, Christian Quest  a
> écrit :
>
> Remember...
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-June/068612.html
>
> Au 1er Janvier, il suffira de vérifier que les relations sont toujours OK
> et de mettre à jour les tags... et hop ;)
>
> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:00,  a écrit :
>
> Visiblement la Normandie a perdu bien des tags des régions Haute- et
> Basse-Normandie.
> Par exemple les traductions.
> Certaines sont faciles (name:en=Normandy).
> Pour d'autres il faudra peut-être retrouver les auteurs des traductions
> des *-Normandie (ou sur Wikipedia).
>
> Pour "Nord-Pas-de-Calais et Picardie" il doit suffire de savoir dire "et"
> ;-).
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
> Le 29/12/2015 19:52, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> des relations existent déjà, elle sont tagué :
> boundary=administrative
> admin_level:proposed=4
>
> pour les voir :
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dti
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Otourly Wiki]

Et le résultat est visible sur Openstreetmap.org ! 
A-tu prévu le renouvellement des tuiles du rendu fr ?Depuis que tu as mis de la 
verdure sur ce dernier j'ai vraiment du mal avec le site officiel . :P Florian
 

Le Samedi 2 janvier 2016 12h30, Christian Quest  a 
écrit :
 

 Mise à jour en cours...
J'ai mis un disused:admin_level=4 pour les anciennes relations de régions 
fusionnées.
Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:08, Christian Quest  a écrit :

Remember... 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-June/068612.html

Au 1er Janvier, il suffira de vérifier que les relations sont toujours OK et de 
mettre à jour les tags... et hop ;)

Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:00,  a écrit :

  Visiblement la Normandie a perdu bien des tags des régions Haute- et 
Basse-Normandie.
 Par exemple les traductions.
 Certaines sont faciles (name:en=Normandy).
 Pour d'autres il faudra peut-être retrouver les auteurs des traductions des 
*-Normandie (ou sur Wikipedia).
 
 Pour "Nord-Pas-de-Calais et Picardie" il doit suffire de savoir dire "et" ;-).
 
 Jean-Yvon
 
 Le 29/12/2015 19:52, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
 des relations existent déjà, elle sont tagué :
 boundary=administrative
 admin_level:proposed=4
 
 pour les voir :
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dti
  
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu BANO... les lieux-dits

[. ZZ29]

Bonjour Christian,

En parlant de BANO, la page sur les rapprochements -
https://openstreetmap.fr/outils/bano/status- apparaît avoir quelques
soucis, de nombreux départements apparaissent avec toutes leurs voies
rapprochées entre le cadastre et OSM, j'ai un doute comme quoi nous soyons
déjà arrivé à ce statut. :)

A+

ZZ29

Le 2 janvier 2016 à 16:00, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Maintenant que les lieux-dits sont extraits par les scripts BANO et
> rapprochés avec les données OSM, le même code couleur est désormais utilisé
> que pour les adresses:
> - vert : lieu-dit OSM
> - bleu: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre avec un rapprochement OSM
> - rouge: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre sans rapprochement avec OSM (pas de
> place=* correspondant ou avec un nom trop différent pour permettre le
> rapprochement)
>
> En gras: les lieux-dit qui d'après FANTOIR sont bâtis... les autres sont
> en italique.
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> Enjoy !
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Re: [Talk-es] Nombre más claro de algunas líneas de autobús

[Roberto geb]

En la versión 2 de transporte público en OSM, las paradas ya no se colocan
en la vía sino a los lados de la vía. Por lo tanto, el lado en el que está
la parada determina el sentido de circulación.

El 31 de diciembre de 2015, 17:49, A A 
escribió:

> Yo creo que la parada determina el sentido de la ruta únicamente cuando se
> conoce la zona y la propia ruta, en cuyo caso no hace falta buscar
> información en un mapa. Si se necesita información de un mapa es porque no
> se conoce la zona o la ruta lo suficientemente, por lo que en mi opinión la
> parada no determina el sentido de la ruta.
>
>
>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:47:09 +0100
> > From: Roberto geb 
> > To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
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> > Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Nombre más claro de algunas líneas de
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[OSM-talk-fr] Site Suivi

[Gaël Simon]

Bonjour,
Depuis quelques jours, je n'accède plus au site suivi.openstreetmap.fr , en 
particulier pour le suivi des cours d'eau. Avez-vous également ce souci ?
Bonne journée 

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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Warin]

On 3/01/2016 9:26 PM, Michael Gratton wrote:


Yes, as I said landuse doesn't seem to be what I'm after here.

What was the objection to fine grained land ownership in OSM? Seems 
like a particularly useful thing to have in. Is it just "imports suck"?


//Mike



A simple google search (OSM property boundary) turns up some results

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary#Property_.28land_parcel.29_boundaries 
.. probably will not render.


https://books.google.com.au/books?id=uHIKBwAAQBAJ=PA258=PA258=OSM+property+boundary=bl=SZ055zv2mM=0hgvEPAA_AHov2iNJMm5qvSmUIQ=en=X=0ahUKEwj-3u6bwY3KAhVkIqYKHWXAD1sQ6AEISzAG#v=onepage=OSM%20property%20boundary=false

http://slashgeo.org/2010/09/17/Parcel-Boundary-Data-More-Just-Pretty-Lines-Map/ 



http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/89236/does-openstreetmap-have-property-boundaries

Then OSM parcel boundary (is this an American term?!)

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-February/010398.html

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel -a summary .. possibly biased 
.. at least a country bias?


I think it is a boundary of sorts .. thus the appropriate tag is 
boundary ... possible value? boundary=property?




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu BANO... les lieux-dits

[Philippe Verdy]

Je me demande si ce n'est pas simplement un décompte de ce qui est dans OSM
mais pas dans le cadastre (mais qui pourrait être encore dans une source
opendata): autrement dit les contributions faites par les OSMeurs,
* qui peuvent cependant être légèrement décalées sur le terrain, mais trop
pour être rapproché avec la position d'un lieu mentionné dans le cadastre
* ou bien qui diffèrent au plan orthographique (quand on voit que le
cadastre a parfois des noms abrégés ou tronqués de façon non facilement
rapprochable de façon automatique). On peut noter dans ce cas qu'un
rapprochement manuel peut se faire en insérant l'identifiant FANTOIR dans
les données OSM)

Dans ce cas il est normal que ces comptes soient proches de zéro, ce qui ne
signifie pas qu'on a intégré tout ce qui est dans le cadastre ou en
opendata, c'est juste le décompte de ce qui est en rouge (sur le rendu
BANO) et à corriger/rapprocher manuellement dans OSM pour passer du rouge
au vert, avant d'importer le reste (les points jaunes et bleus) en faisant
attention à leurs abréviations/troncatures/accents manquants (ces points
jaunes et bleux passeront alors au vert aussi sauf s'ils sont décalés).

Malgré tout c'est vrai qu'il semble bien que les compteurs de points rouge
soient largement sous-estimés, et qu'en fait ce ne serait qu'un décompte
des voies manquantes dans OSM et pas des points d'adresse manquants.


Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:58, . ZZ29  a écrit :

> Bonjour Christian,
>
> En parlant de BANO, la page sur les rapprochements -
> https://openstreetmap.fr/outils/bano/status- apparaît avoir quelques
> soucis, de nombreux départements apparaissent avec toutes leurs voies
> rapprochées entre le cadastre et OSM, j'ai un doute comme quoi nous soyons
> déjà arrivé à ce statut. :)
>
> A+
>
> ZZ29
>
> Le 2 janvier 2016 à 16:00, Christian Quest  a
> écrit :
>
>> Maintenant que les lieux-dits sont extraits par les scripts BANO et
>> rapprochés avec les données OSM, le même code couleur est désormais utilisé
>> que pour les adresses:
>> - vert : lieu-dit OSM
>> - bleu: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre avec un rapprochement OSM
>> - rouge: lieu-dit extrait du cadastre sans rapprochement avec OSM (pas de
>> place=* correspondant ou avec un nom trop différent pour permettre le
>> rapprochement)
>>
>> En gras: les lieux-dit qui d'après FANTOIR sont bâtis... les autres sont
>> en italique.
>>
>> Enjoy !
>>
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Re: [Talk-cz] dotaz na obnovení předchozí verze relace

[Zdeněk Pražák]

díky za snahu pomoci, relaci jsem tedy přetrasoval
s revert pluginem jsem také neuspěl

Dne 2. ledna 2016 8:27 Marián Kyral  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
> tak jsem to zkusil, ale s tím revert pluginem mi to nějak nešlo, tak jsem
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> Marián
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> Dne 1.1.2016 v 08:17 Marián Kyral napsal(a):
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> Ahoj,
> Možné to je. V Josm existuje revert plugin, ten to umí. Zkusil bych to,
> ale momentálně jsem na chalupě bez kompu. Když tak na to kouknu až večer.
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> Při mapování v okolí Novomlýnských nádrží jsem omylem přepsal obsah
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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Michael Gratton]

So basically there's no consensus about whether property boundaries 
should be included or not, but regardless they  won't get rendered 
anyway.


I experimented by adding some properties and their addresses for a 
couple of streets in around Enmore, and Nominatum was able to find the 
addresses as you'd expect, e.g. searching for "22 charles st, enmore" 
returns . However also as 
expected no boundary or even house number was rendered.


What a shame. It seems that in lieu of having any buildings marked out, 
using property borders would have been a useful way to indicate 
addresses - also seems more correct than using buildings, to my mind 
anyway.


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On Sun, 3 Jan, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/01/2016 9:26 PM, Michael Gratton wrote:
>
> Yes, as I said landuse doesn't seem to be what I'm after here.
>
> What was the objection to fine grained land ownership in OSM? Seems
> like a particularly useful thing to have in. Is it just "imports 
suck"?

>
> //Mike
>

A simple google search (OSM property boundary) turns up some results

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary#Property_.28land_parcel.29_boundaries
.. probably will not render.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=uHIKBwAAQBAJ=PA258=PA258=OSM+property+boundary=bl=SZ055zv2mM=0hgvEPAA_AHov2iNJMm5qvSmUIQ=en=X=0ahUKEwj-3u6bwY3KAhVkIqYKHWXAD1sQ6AEISzAG#v=onepage=OSM%20property%20boundary=false

http://slashgeo.org/2010/09/17/Parcel-Boundary-Data-More-Just-Pretty-Lines-Map/


http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/89236/does-openstreetmap-have-property-boundaries

Then OSM parcel boundary (is this an American term?!)

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-February/010398.html

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel -a summary .. possibly 
biased

.. at least a country bias?

I think it is a boundary of sorts .. thus the appropriate tag is
boundary ... possible value? boundary=property?



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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Dave F.]

Hi BZ

I put all other data relating to the whole school (name, address, 
website etc) on the boundary way. Many organisations such as schools, 
universities & hospitals etc have distinctive departments. These can be 
identified by adding names to each building.


Dave F.

On 03/01/2016 13:40, Bogus Zaba wrote:

On 02/01/16 15:24, Dave F. wrote:

On 02/01/2016 12:51, Brian Prangle wrote:

That gives a total of 32,318 schools. Taginfo shows 27,191 schools
which is 84.1% coverage in OSM. However 6,348 are represented as
nodes only. It would be great to have these as polygons and
associated buildings. It would also be great to have close to 100%
coverage.

This data comes from a cursory web search. If anyone has better or
newer data, it's welcome.


 From experience I would say schools are the entities that are most
likely to be mapped with duplicating nodes & polygons, so I'm unsure
if those numbers are truly representative. I've even noticed that
individual school buildings are occasionally tagged as amenity=school
causing a similar problem to Cambridge University..

The boundary polygon should include not only the buildings &
playgrounds, but recreation grounds/sports pitches

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Local school here (Denbighshire, Wales) has been shown as a boundary
polygon with tag amenity=school and the main school building is a
polygon within the boundary tagged as building=school. Both polygons
have a name tag which is the same (Ysgol Hiraddug).

Is this the right way to tag?




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[OSM-talk-fr] Fantoir qui ne charge pas ?

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

La ville  82121 ne charge pas chez moi sur
http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ , ce n'est que moi ?


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fantoir qui ne charge pas ?

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

Le 03/01/2016 16:18, Ludovic Hirlimann a écrit :

La ville  82121 ne charge pas chez moi sur
http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ , ce n'est que moi ?


Vu de chez moi à l'instant ça fonctionne, Montauban répond.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server on Ubuntu 15.10

[Skyler Fennell]

That manual had a few issues on Ubuntu 15.10. Some packages weren't found, but 
it told me to install a different version altetnatively, so i did that.

The configure.sh script was missing in a package, so I went off the readme, so 
I don't know if I installed it right.

And the Python issue like I said.

I'll do this: fresh install of 15.10 and I will report every error on the 
Ubuntu 14.10 manual build instructions. Would that help?

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 07:43, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> The "switch2osm manual 14.04 lts" instructions should work ok (on 14.04, 
> obviously). I ran through them on a clean server in December and fixed a 
> couple of problems (missing "sudo"s, changed how to extract one of the files 
> as the content has changed, and added a couple of "make sure you replace 
> 'username' with your username").
> 
> If I remember correctly, around the time that 15.10 came out a few people 
> tried it and had errors, so I'd expect any pre-existing instructions to want 
> tweaking to work there.
> 
> From: Skyler F
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 05:43
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> Subject: [OSM-talk] Tile Server on Ubuntu 15.10
> 
> Hi, I am a linux newbie and I really want to get a tile server working on my 
> Ubuntu computer. I have been trying for weeks but nothing is working. 
> 
> Trying from this link:  
> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Installing-your-own-tileserver-on-Ubuntu-td5172494.html
> Everything works until I get to install libapache2-mod-tile. Even though I 
> have added the correct repository, I still get this error:
> E: Unable to locate package libapache2-mod-tile
> 
> I also tried many of the other tutorials on the web including manually 
> building but I just can't get anything to work whatsoever. I always get stuck 
> on a "package not found". On a previous install of Ubuntu 14, I was able to 
> get the slippymap to show, but only pink tiles were visible.
> 
> From this tutorial: 
> https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/
> 
> I am stuck in the python bash here
> python
> >>> import mapnik
> >>>ImportError: 
> >>>/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mapnik/_mapnik.x86_64-linux-gnu.so: 
> >>>undefined symbol: 
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> 
> 
> Can someone lead me in the right direction for getting a tile server up and 
> running? I need it for Amateur radio emergency communications with APRS using 
> the XASTIR program.
> 
> I need a lot of tiles, and don't want to stress the server by downloading 
> them, so it would be great if I could get a tile server running.
> 
> Thanks,
> Skyler 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Best way to amalgamate two relations?

[Dave F.]

Thanks again

I took what you said & used it to try some 'mass editing' (don't panic, 
I'm testing on one object)


I want to delete redundant tags from my area of editing. I do it 
individually if I see them but it's time consuming & laborious.


I download just one way object by it's typing ID. (is there way to click 
on an object to select it?)


Then followed the instructions here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Advanced_editing#Saving_and_loading_.osm_files

When I tried to 'Upload Data' I got a 'No changes to upload' message.:I 
fudged it by dragging the object minutely & it uploaded successfully. 
Obviously this isn't practical if doing it to a larger number of entities.


How do I get JOSM to recognise the file as edited data?

Hope you can help
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Christian Quest]

Encore quelques corrections... les admin_level=4 qui passent en
admin_level=6 sur les limites d'anciennes régions... sans parler de tout
ces name=* obsolètes que j'ai supprimé.

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 11:36, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Recalcul en cours...
>
> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:30, Otourly Wiki  a écrit :
>
>> Et le résultat est visible sur Openstreetmap.org !
>> A-tu prévu le renouvellement des tuiles du rendu fr ?
>> Depuis que tu as mis de la verdure sur ce dernier j'ai vraiment du mal
>> avec le site officiel . :P
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>> Le Samedi 2 janvier 2016 12h30, Christian Quest 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Mise à jour en cours...
>>
>> J'ai mis un disused:admin_level=4 pour les anciennes relations de régions
>> fusionnées.
>>
>> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:08, Christian Quest  a
>> écrit :
>>
>> Remember...
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-June/068612.html
>>
>> Au 1er Janvier, il suffira de vérifier que les relations sont toujours OK
>> et de mettre à jour les tags... et hop ;)
>>
>> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:00,  a écrit :
>>
>> Visiblement la Normandie a perdu bien des tags des régions Haute- et
>> Basse-Normandie.
>> Par exemple les traductions.
>> Certaines sont faciles (name:en=Normandy).
>> Pour d'autres il faudra peut-être retrouver les auteurs des traductions
>> des *-Normandie (ou sur Wikipedia).
>>
>> Pour "Nord-Pas-de-Calais et Picardie" il doit suffire de savoir dire "et"
>> ;-).
>>
>> Jean-Yvon
>>
>> Le 29/12/2015 19:52, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>> des relations existent déjà, elle sont tagué :
>> boundary=administrative
>> admin_level:proposed=4
>>
>> pour les voir :
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dti
>>
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[Talk-co] Imagen propuesta en la wiki

[Harrier Co]

hola buenos dias


Si me ayudan a promocionar esta imagenpara imagen propuesta en la wiki en el 
enlace.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals#Using_Sentinel2_images


Gracias


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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[SK53]

Generally I will place the name tag on the school grounds and not on the
buildings. This allows individual buildings to be given names, if they have
them: e.g., Science Block, Nursery.

A couple of complications:

   - Campus sites: several schools share facilities, particularly playing
   fields. The most complex one I know of is in Northwich
   . The shared
   playing fields are mapped as leisure=recreation_ground with the individual
   schools now being mapped as polygons, but sometimes it is difficult without
   good local knowledge to separate out distinct institutions.
   - School Recreation Ground also available out of school hour, either as
   a local rec., or in association with a sports centre co-located with the
   school. In this case I think it can be left to the mapper's discretion as
   to whether the school polygon includes the playing field or not.

Jerry

On 3 January 2016 at 13:40, Bogus Zaba  wrote:

> On 02/01/16 15:24, Dave F. wrote:
> > On 02/01/2016 12:51, Brian Prangle wrote:
> >> That gives a total of 32,318 schools. Taginfo shows 27,191 schools
> >> which is 84.1% coverage in OSM. However 6,348 are represented as
> >> nodes only. It would be great to have these as polygons and
> >> associated buildings. It would also be great to have close to 100%
> >> coverage.
> >>
> >> This data comes from a cursory web search. If anyone has better or
> >> newer data, it's welcome.
> >>
> >
> > From experience I would say schools are the entities that are most
> > likely to be mapped with duplicating nodes & polygons, so I'm unsure
> > if those numbers are truly representative. I've even noticed that
> > individual school buildings are occasionally tagged as amenity=school
> > causing a similar problem to Cambridge University..
> >
> > The boundary polygon should include not only the buildings &
> > playgrounds, but recreation grounds/sports pitches
> >
> > ---
> Local school here (Denbighshire, Wales) has been shown as a boundary
> polygon with tag amenity=school and the main school building is a
> polygon within the boundary tagged as building=school. Both polygons
> have a name tag which is the same (Ysgol Hiraddug).
>
> Is this the right way to tag?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Site Suivi

[Jocelyn Jaubert]

Le 03/01/2016 12:31, Gaël Simon a écrit :

Bonjour,
Depuis quelques jours, je n'accède plus au site suivi.openstreetmap.fr , en 
particulier pour le suivi des cours d'eau. Avez-vous également ce souci ?
Bonne journée


Oui, c'est effectivement en panne depuis quelques jours, parce que la 
machine qui héberge ce service (osm3) est tombée en panne. J'ai contacté 
l'hébergeur, en espérant une réponse sous peu :)


Les services impactés sont:

  taginfo.openstreetmap.fr
  live.openstreetmap.fr
  export.openstreetmap.fr
  suivi.openstreetmap.fr
  oapi-fr.openstreetmap.fr


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Site Suivi

[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Idem ici, ainsi que pour live.openstreetmap.fr
Le 3 janv. 2016 12:32, "Gaël Simon"  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> Depuis quelques jours, je n'accède plus au site suivi.openstreetmap.fr ,
> en particulier pour le suivi des cours d'eau. Avez-vous également ce souci ?
> Bonne journée
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Bogus Zaba]

On 02/01/16 15:24, Dave F. wrote:
> On 02/01/2016 12:51, Brian Prangle wrote:
>> That gives a total of 32,318 schools. Taginfo shows 27,191 schools
>> which is 84.1% coverage in OSM. However 6,348 are represented as
>> nodes only. It would be great to have these as polygons and
>> associated buildings. It would also be great to have close to 100%
>> coverage.
>>
>> This data comes from a cursory web search. If anyone has better or
>> newer data, it's welcome.
>>
>
> From experience I would say schools are the entities that are most
> likely to be mapped with duplicating nodes & polygons, so I'm unsure
> if those numbers are truly representative. I've even noticed that
> individual school buildings are occasionally tagged as amenity=school
> causing a similar problem to Cambridge University..
>
> The boundary polygon should include not only the buildings &
> playgrounds, but recreation grounds/sports pitches
>
> ---
Local school here (Denbighshire, Wales) has been shown as a boundary
polygon with tag amenity=school and the main school building is a
polygon within the boundary tagged as building=school. Both polygons
have a name tag which is the same (Ysgol Hiraddug).

Is this the right way to tag?

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Re: [Talk-co] Imagen propuesta en la wiki

[ouɐɯnH]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Harrier Co  wrote:

> hola buenos dias
>
>
> Si me ayudan a promocionar esta imagenpara imagen propuesta en la wiki en
> el enlace.
>
Como se debe promocionar?


>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals#Using_Sentinel2_images
>
>
> Gracias
>
> 
> Featured image proposals - OpenStreetMap Wiki
> 
> wiki.openstreetmap.org
> Welcome to Featured image proposals. Great photos of OpenStreetMap
> community, maps, or artwork posted here stand a good chance of being made
> Featured images, giving ...
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[OSM-talk-fr] Pb sur polygons.openstreetmap.fr ?

[Antoine Riche]

Bonjour.

Le générateur de polygones a l'air d'avoir des soucis. sur une relation 
qui semble correcte dans JOSM et http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/, le 
générateur de polygone retourne une erreur. Par exemple 
http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/?id=4607815


Error while generating polygon. You could check the geometry through an 
analyser:


 * analyser using an internal database
   .

 * analyser using OSM API (slower)
   .

Message from postgresql server:
NOTICE: table "tmp_way_poly_4607815" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE: table "tmp_way_poly" does not exist, skipping
CONTEXT: SQL statement "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS tmp_way_poly"
PL/pgSQL function "create_polygon2" line 8 at SQL statement
NOTICE: missing connexion at point -1.5403701f 47.1926064f 
 
- ways: 332007927 
 
332007914 
 
332007926 

NOTICE: missing connexion at point -1.5351723f 47.2015995f 
 
- ways: 331815428 
 
331815434 
 
34300608 



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Re: [Talk-co] Imagen propuesta en la wiki

[hyan...@gmail.com]

+1

PD: ¿Si nos regalas un corto texto para publicar en el blog?
http://blog.openstreetmap.co

2016-01-03 9:29 GMT-05:00 Harrier Co :

> hola buenos dias
>
>
> Si me ayudan a promocionar esta imagenpara imagen propuesta en la wiki en
> el enlace.
>
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals#Using_Sentinel2_images
>
>
> Gracias
>
> 
> Featured image proposals - OpenStreetMap Wiki
> 
> wiki.openstreetmap.org
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> community, maps, or artwork posted here stand a good chance of being made
> Featured images, giving ...
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Bogus Zaba]

Thanks. That makes sense and avoids the name duplication.


On 03/01/16 14:31, SK53 wrote:
> Generally I will place the name tag on the school grounds and not on
> the buildings. This allows individual buildings to be given names, if
> they have them: e.g., Science Block, Nursery.
>
> A couple of complications:
>
>   * Campus sites: several schools share facilities, particularly
> playing fields. The most complex one I know of is in Northwich
> . The shared
> playing fields are mapped as leisure=recreation_ground with the
> individual schools now being mapped as polygons, but sometimes it
> is difficult without good local knowledge to separate out distinct
> institutions.
>   * School Recreation Ground also available out of school hour, either
> as a local rec., or in association with a sports centre co-located
> with the school. In this case I think it can be left to the
> mapper's discretion as to whether the school polygon includes the
> playing field or not.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 13:40, Bogus Zaba  > wrote:
>
> On 02/01/16 15:24, Dave F. wrote:
> > On 02/01/2016 12:51, Brian Prangle wrote:
> >> That gives a total of 32,318 schools. Taginfo shows 27,191 schools
> >> which is 84.1% coverage in OSM. However 6,348 are represented as
> >> nodes only. It would be great to have these as polygons and
> >> associated buildings. It would also be great to have close to 100%
> >> coverage.
> >>
> >> This data comes from a cursory web search. If anyone has better or
> >> newer data, it's welcome.
> >>
> >
> > From experience I would say schools are the entities that are most
> > likely to be mapped with duplicating nodes & polygons, so I'm unsure
> > if those numbers are truly representative. I've even noticed that
> > individual school buildings are occasionally tagged as
> amenity=school
> > causing a similar problem to Cambridge University..
> >
> > The boundary polygon should include not only the buildings &
> > playgrounds, but recreation grounds/sports pitches
> >
> > ---
> Local school here (Denbighshire, Wales) has been shown as a boundary
> polygon with tag amenity=school and the main school building is a
> polygon within the boundary tagged as building=school. Both polygons
> have a name tag which is the same (Ysgol Hiraddug).
>
> Is this the right way to tag?
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server on Ubuntu 15.10

[Andy Townsend]

  The "switch2osm manual 14.04 lts" instructions should work ok (on 14.04, obviously). I ran through them on a clean server in December and fixed a couple of problems (missing "sudo"s, changed how to extract one of the files as the content has changed, and added a couple of "make sure you replace 'username' with your username").If I remember correctly, around the time that 15.10 came out a few people tried it and had errors, so I'd expect any pre-existing instructions to want tweaking to work there.From: Skyler FSent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 05:43To: talk@openstreetmap.orgSubject: [OSM-talk] Tile Server on Ubuntu 15.10Hi, I am a linux newbie and I really want to get a tile server working on my Ubuntu computer. I have been trying for weeks but nothing is working. Trying from this link:  http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Installing-your-own-tileserver-on-Ubuntu-td5172494.htmlEverything works until I get to install libapache2-mod-tile. Even though I have added the correct repository, I still get this error:E: Unable to locate package libapache2-mod-tileI also tried many of the other tutorials on the web including manually building but I just can't get anything to work whatsoever. I always get stuck on a "package not found". On a previous install of Ubuntu 14, I was able to get the slippymap to show, but only pink tiles were visible.From this tutorial: https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/I am stuck in the python bash herepython
>>> import mapnik
>>>ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mapnik/_mapnik.x86_64-linux-gnu.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6mapnik6filter19parse_image_filtersERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEERSt6vectorINS_4util7variantIJNS0_4blurENS0_4grayENS0_14agg_stack_blurENS0_6embossENS0_7sharpenENS0_11edge_detectENS0_5sobelENS0_10x_gradientENS0_10y_gradientENS0_6invertENS0_10scale_hslaENS0_14colorize_alphaENS0_14color_to_alphaSaISP_EECan someone lead me in the right direction for getting a tile server up and running? I need it for Amateur radio emergency communications with APRS using the XASTIR program.I need a lot of tiles, and don't want to stress the server by downloading them, so it would be great if I could get a tile server running.Thanks,Skyler 


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[Talk-de] Hack Weekend in Karlsruhe im Februar

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   in Karlsruhe gibt es am 27./28. Februar wieder ein Hack-Weekend:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2016

Das nächste wird dann planmäßig am 29./30. Oktober sein.

Wem Karlsruhe zu weit ist, für den ist vielleicht Berlin eine Option -
Lars wird das sicher noch selbst ankündigen, aber soweit ich weiss, ist
dort für Anfang Februar, Anfang Mai, und Mitte Oktober was geplant.

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-cz] MHD

[Kamenitxan]

Zdravím,
pokusil jsem se naklikat linku 253 v Praze. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36339114
Je to tak dobře nebo bych měl něco dělat jinak.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Meet Abbots Bromley 30th Dec

[Dudley Ibbett]

I would also add my thanks.

I've added the footpaths etc around Colton where I went after lunch.  There are 
more building to be added to the village but the Bing imagery isn't that good.  

I've not looked at the walk we did in the morning yet so there might be a few 
more details to add north of Abbots Bromley.

Regards

Dudley



To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
From: ajt1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 23:18:59 +
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Meet Abbots Bromley 30th Dec


  

  
  
Many thanks from me too.  



Here's one quick view of the progress so far:



http://i.imgur.com/UPTks3v.png



It might be missing some updates (and is certainly missing the town
detail) but does show a very different picture to what there was a
couple of weeks ago.



Cheers,



Andy





On 30/12/2015 18:10, Philip Barnes
  wrote:



  On Wed, 2015-12-30 at 17:46 +, SK53 wrote:
  

  Many thanks to all who came despite the weather: a very
decent turn out of 7 people from 4 Midland counties.



  
  Jerry


  
  

  
  Thank you for organising it Jerry.
  

  
  A good day, despite the weather.
  

  
  Phil 
  


  On 29 December 2015 at 13:47, SK53 
wrote:


  

  Just a reminder that this meeting is tomorrow.
I've added some details on the wiki.



  
  Meeting times: 10:30 Buttercross, Abbots Bromley

  
 12:30-12:50 Coach &
Horses.

  
  

  
  The weather forecast is not promising, wrap up well.
  I'm afraid it's a bit difficult to predict a few weeks
  in advance with what seems like an endless sequence of
  winter storms coming in.

  


I'm now going out to enjoy some sunny weather.





Jerry

  
  


  
  


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée

[mgwebmail]

Bonjour Lionel,

Quel est ton nom d’utilisateur sur OSM ? As-tu vérifié tes dernières 
contributions via ta page perso sur openstreetmap.com ?

Matthieu

> On 03 Jan 2016, at 18:25, lionel bulpa  wrote:
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Il y a 29 jours, j'ai ajouté tout un quartier de Nannine (près de Namur) dans 
> la base de donnée, je suis sur que les informations sont parvenues au serveur 
> car les maisons, l'école, etc apparaissaient sur la carte. Je viens de 
> vérifier, personne ne semble avoir édité le quartier depuis et pourtant, tout 
> mon travail a disparu, quelqu'un sait il pourquoi?
> 
> Merci d'avance
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Laurent Combe]

vincent,

l'idée c'était d'avoir une couche (photo aérienne) incluse dans la liste de
base (parmi les autres rendus OSM)

la carte que tu cites en exemple ajoute une couche "spécifique" celle
contenant l'imagerie IGN pour laquelle il a fallu saisir une URL à rallonge
et qui fait que l'on "démarre" systématiquement dans umap sur ce fond de
carte

et la discussion du mois dernier s'était terminée sur la proposition de
cquest de faire cette intégration dans Umap avec le fond IGN (si cela ne
pose pas de problème légal)
je venais aux nouvelles ...

laurent

et effectivement l'IGN ne couvre que la france mais dans mon cas cela me va
bien

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:16, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :

> Le 03/01/2016 18:05, Christian Quest a écrit :
>
> Par contre, les images aériennes de l'IGN sont limité au territoire
> français dès qu'on zoome un peu...
>
>
> autant pour moi, je n'ai pas fait attention au sujet "imagerie mapbox"
> (!!), je me suis arrêté à la "couche vue aérienne".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:01, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
>
>> Le 03/01/2016 17:58, Laurent Combe a écrit :
>>
>> je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap pourrait
>> intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"
>>
>>
>> Bonjour,
>> à priori c'est le cas avec la couche ign photos aériennes.
>>
>> exemple de test :
>> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/carte-sans-nom_62176#18/44.77228/-0.34978
>>
>> Bonne année à tous et toutes (oui c'est hos sujet mais c'est la période !)
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 2 January 2016 at 12:51, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Happy New Year! (and Happy New Mapping Year!) The first Quarterly Project
> for 2016 is now under way and is Schools. There are really two strands to
> this project.
>
> The first is to remotely (armchai)r map and get an increase in coverage of
> the number of schools
>
> The latest government data is for January 2012 which shows 24,372 schools in
> England (including nursery schools, state-funded primary schools,
> state-funded secondary schools, special schools, pupil referral units and
> independent schools.)

Since most of the code could be re-used from what I already do for
Post Offices, I've put together a quick comparison tool to compare the
Edubase data for England with what's currently in OSM:
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

It's a bit rough at the moment. I'm currently only using the data for
England, and only fetching OSM *ways* tagged with amenity=school .
There are no markers on the slippy map yet either, and the matching
process is rather basic. With luck, I'll have some time to make some
improvements in the next couple of weeks. In the mean time, the lists
of non-matching items will hopefully still be useful to people.

One caveat though -- I'm not completely sure that the Edubase data is
(or should be) available under an OSM-compatible Licence (the OGL in
this case). In particular the addresses and postcodes may be tainted
by AddressBase. Until the licence is confirmed, we should avoid using
Edubase data directly to add or edit Schools in OSM. There should be
sufficient other sources available though.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 03-01-16 19:35, Skyler F wrote:
> So is there another way I can install this without the configure and
> autogen?

Use the packages included in Ubuntu itself. wily includes osm2pgsql
0.88.1 which is current enough.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/osm2pgsql

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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Colin Smale]

Great idea Robert! 

Any idea why it is not matching Gravesend Grammar School (at DA12 2PR)
which is in OSM with amenity=school on way
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142625579 ? I have noticed several
other schools in Gravesend and surroundings which as far as I can see
are in OSM and not being picked up by your scan.

//colin 

On 2016-01-03 19:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

> On 2 January 2016 at 12:51, Brian Prangle  wrote: 
> 
>> Happy New Year! (and Happy New Mapping Year!) The first Quarterly Project
>> for 2016 is now under way and is Schools. There are really two strands to
>> this project.
>> 
>> The first is to remotely (armchai)r map and get an increase in coverage of
>> the number of schools
>> 
>> The latest government data is for January 2012 which shows 24,372 schools in
>> England (including nursery schools, state-funded primary schools,
>> state-funded secondary schools, special schools, pupil referral units and
>> independent schools.)
> 
> Since most of the code could be re-used from what I already do for
> Post Offices, I've put together a quick comparison tool to compare the
> Edubase data for England with what's currently in OSM:
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
> 
> It's a bit rough at the moment. I'm currently only using the data for
> England, and only fetching OSM *ways* tagged with amenity=school .
> There are no markers on the slippy map yet either, and the matching
> process is rather basic. With luck, I'll have some time to make some
> improvements in the next couple of weeks. In the mean time, the lists
> of non-matching items will hopefully still be useful to people.
> 
> One caveat though -- I'm not completely sure that the Edubase data is
> (or should be) available under an OSM-compatible Licence (the OGL in
> this case). In particular the addresses and postcodes may be tainted
> by AddressBase. Until the licence is confirmed, we should avoid using
> Edubase data directly to add or edit Schools in OSM. There should be
> sufficient other sources available though.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 3 January 2016 at 19:04, Colin Smale  wrote:
> Any idea why it is not matching Gravesend Grammar School (at DA12 2PR) which
> is in OSM with amenity=school on way
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142625579 ? I have noticed several other
> schools in Gravesend and surroundings which as far as I can see are in OSM
> and not being picked up by your scan.

If you look in the first table, you'll see that Edubase school 118987
"St Joseph's Convent Independent Preparatory School" has been matched
with OSM way 142625579. As I said, the matching is rather simplistic.
I currently just go through each Edubase entry in turn and take the
closest as-yet-unmatched OSM amenity=school object to the postcode
centroid. Once an Edubase entry has taken an OSM object, that OSM
object is no longer a potential matching candidate for any other
Edubase Entries. I can probably improve the matching by preferring an
exact name match if one exists. Fuzzy name matching may be a bit
harder.

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[Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I've tried to summarise what we discussed on our initial concall and what
Rob's survey revealed into a high-level and short set of aims. It's an
initial draft  and open for comment before our next concall (TBA before end
of Jan). I've included for comparison the aims from those countries that
have established  a local national "chapter". I'm afraid the translation
software I used just couldn't do justice to Japanese!

Proposed aims for UKOSM:


The aims of (eventual name) are:

To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.

To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
OSM data or contribute data to OSM.

To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
achieving these aims.



Swiss

The associations purpose is the support and advancement of projects,
people, companies and organisations in all language regions of Switzerland
that collect, use, process and distribute open and free geo-data. Such
activities can be of non-commercial as well as commercial nature.

The association has no commercial purpose

US

We strive to support the OpenStreetMap project in the United States through
fostering awareness, ensuring broad availability of data, continuous
quality improvement, and an active community.


France

L’objectif de l’association est de promouvoir le projet OpenStreetMap et
 notamment la collecte, la diffusion et l'utilisation de données cartographiques
 sous des licences libres. Le règlement intérieur liste les licences
libres applicables
 aux données géographiques.

 The objective of the association is to promote the OpenStreetMap Project
including the collection , dissemination and use of mapping data under free
 licenses. The rules list free licenses applicable to geographic data.

Iceland

The purpose of the Society is to advocate for open and free GIS data

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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Daniel O'Connor]

> What a shame. It seems that in lieu of having any buildings marked out,
using property borders would have been a useful way to indicate addresses

In general its a huge rabbit hole to get stuck down if using cadastre/data
where government works in the torrens title first, addresses second
approach.
There is an idea of a 'real property description' in common use in the
property/finance industry,  based on joining the human readable address to
a collection of lot/plan references owned by a person.
One is a location label system (addresses as labels), one is a legal
concept,  and partly related to the physical representation of it as a
spatial boundary.

What becomes a huge pain is when those three concepts don't all fit
perfectly - a fence built a metre too far 10 years ago resulting in a judge
getting involved throws it all out of whack, or when a property is going to
be subdivided (house knocked down,  proposal made to council but not
final,  even if there is a new fence up), or even worse a multiple parcel
property under the same ownership worth multiple addresses - think larger
farms for example.

80% of the time its fine,  the rest is a mess of edge cases based on a
system designed around paper meeting GIS; and people using aliases,
nicknames,  vanity suburbs and more when labeling where things are.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
> if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages that
> are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
> libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.

Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
package for the distribution in question.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 03/01/2016 17:58, Laurent Combe a écrit :
je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap pourrait 
intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"


Bonjour,
à priori c'est le cas avec la couche ign photos aériennes.

exemple de test : 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/carte-sans-nom_62176#18/44.77228/-0.34978


Bonne année à tous et toutes (oui c'est hos sujet mais c'est la période !)




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Philippe Verdy]

Sinon s'il reste encore des SAN (syndicats d'agglomération nouvelle) dans
OSM, ils sont tous obsolètes depuis le 1er janvier.
Les SAN ont du été dissous (j'ai trouvé la loi de 2015 à ce sujet), les
communes conscernées ont du intégrer des CA (ou sont dans la Metropole du
Grand Paris au sein des nouveaux EPT), selon les nouveaux schémas
départementaux de coopération intercommunale.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Christian Quest]

Par contre, les images aériennes de l'IGN sont limité au territoire
français dès qu'on zoome un peu...

Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:01, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :

> Le 03/01/2016 17:58, Laurent Combe a écrit :
>
> je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap pourrait
> intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"
>
>
> Bonjour,
> à priori c'est le cas avec la couche ign photos aériennes.
>
> exemple de test :
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/carte-sans-nom_62176#18/44.77228/-0.34978
>
> Bonne année à tous et toutes (oui c'est hos sujet mais c'est la période !)
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Thanks. That got me past step 1.

8 upgraded, 313 newly installed, 0 to remove and 83 not upgraded.

So that is the first thing to change in the documentation on the website,
instead of libtiff4-dev change it to libtiff-dev.



On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg 
wrote:

> On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
> > if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages
> that
> > are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
> > libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.
>
> Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
> libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
> package for the distribution in question.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Ok, *NEXT*,

I typed

>  sudo apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib postgis
> postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
>

And got

Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1'
>



On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Skyler F  wrote:

> Thanks. That got me past step 1.
>
> 8 upgraded, 313 newly installed, 0 to remove and 83 not upgraded.
>
> So that is the first thing to change in the documentation on the website,
> instead of libtiff4-dev change it to libtiff-dev.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> On 03-01-16 17:48, Graham Jones wrote:
>> > if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages
>> that
>> > are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
>> > libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.
>>
>> Just install libtiff-dev, it is the virtual package provided by both
>> libtiff4-dev & libtiff5-dev, it will pull in the relevant libtiffN-dev
>> package for the distribution in question.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 03-01-16 18:27, Skyler F wrote:
>>  sudo apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib postgis
>> postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> E: Unable to locate package postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1

Ubuntu vivid and later have postgresql-9.4 for which the postgis
packages is:

 postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.1

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgis

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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

>I've imported a current GB extract with osm2pgsql I find:
>
>
>
>Bye
>Frederik
>

Good analysis there Frederik. Are you able to share the outputs so that
others can use it to help the mapping efforts? A slippy map or maproulette
task would be good but maybe just the raw data to get us started if your
busy.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

Ok, I switched

sudo apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib postgis
postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1

to



On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg 
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> On 03-01-16 18:27, Skyler F wrote:
> >>  sudo apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib postgis
> >> postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> >> Building dependency tree
> >> Reading state information... Done
> >> E: Unable to locate package postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1
>
> Ubuntu vivid and later have postgresql-9.4 for which the postgis
> packages is:
>
>  postgresql-9.4-postgis-2.1
>
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgis
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[OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Skyler F]

I am attempting a manual build of a tile server on Ubuntu 15.10. I just did
a fresh install of Ubuntu, and will post the results as I go along from
this link:

https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/

So, here is step 1:

> sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev subversion git-core tar unzip wget 
> bzip2 build-essential autoconf libtool libxml2-dev libgeos-dev libgeos++-dev 
> libpq-dev libbz2-dev libproj-dev munin-node munin libprotobuf-c0-dev 
> protobuf-c-compiler libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libtiff4-dev libicu-dev 
> libgdal-dev libcairo-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev apache2 apache2-dev libagg-dev 
> liblua5.2-dev ttf-unifont lua5.1 liblua5.1-dev libgeotiff-epsg node-carto
>
>
Here is the Result:

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting 'libprotobuf-c-dev' instead of 'libprotobuf-c0-dev'
Note, selecting 'libcairo2-dev' instead of 'libcairo-dev'
Note, selecting 'liblua5.1-0-dev' instead of 'liblua5.1-dev'
Package libtiff4-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  libtiff5-dev:i386 libtiff5-dev

E: Package 'libtiff4-dev' has no installation candidate

I don't want to mess this up on my fresh Ubuntu so I'll wait at every step
until there is a solution.
What should I try, Should I install the replacement package instead?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] fusion de régions

[Philippe Verdy]

En parlant des fractions de communes, je viens de découvrir encore une cas
particulier en Nouvelle-Calédonie et en Polynésie Française : les "sections
de communes" (qui sont des établissements publics jouissant de la
personnalité morale et juridique, et ayant leurs propres biens et droits
exclusifs distincts de ceux de la commune dont fait partie chaque section,
et qui peuvent résulter d'une opération de fusion de communes...).

*LOI n° 2013-428 du 27 mai 2013 modernisant le régime des sections de
commune*
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT27466376

Encore un cas pour admin_level=9 (en plus des arrondissements de communes à
P/L/M, des communes associées dans une commune en fusion-association, et
des communes déléguées dans une commune nouvelle)...

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La terminologie des "sections de communes" se trouve aussi en Belgique dans
la grande majorité des communes, qui sont issues de leur fusions massives
il y a quelques années.
Mais ne me demandez pas si elles ont conservé des droits exclusifs
spécifiques ou si elles ont la personnalité juridique, les Belges nous
expliqueront ça mieux que nous, en tout cas elles sont très bien
cataloguées et délimitées précisément... mais peut-être pas encore dans
OSM. On les trouve en revanche bien listées sur Wikipédia.


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> Encore quelques corrections... les admin_level=4 qui passent en
> admin_level=6 sur les limites d'anciennes régions... sans parler de tout
> ces name=* obsolètes que j'ai supprimé.
>
> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 11:36, Christian Quest  a
> écrit :
>
>> Recalcul en cours...
>>
>> Le 3 janvier 2016 à 09:30, Otourly Wiki  a écrit :
>>
>>> Et le résultat est visible sur Openstreetmap.org !
>>> A-tu prévu le renouvellement des tuiles du rendu fr ?
>>> Depuis que tu as mis de la verdure sur ce dernier j'ai vraiment du mal
>>> avec le site officiel . :P
>>>
>>> Florian
>>>
>>>
>>> Le Samedi 2 janvier 2016 12h30, Christian Quest 
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Mise à jour en cours...
>>>
>>> J'ai mis un disused:admin_level=4 pour les anciennes relations de
>>> régions fusionnées.
>>>
>>> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:08, Christian Quest 
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Remember...
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-June/068612.html
>>>
>>> Au 1er Janvier, il suffira de vérifier que les relations sont toujours
>>> OK et de mettre à jour les tags... et hop ;)
>>>
>>> Le 29 décembre 2015 à 23:00,  a écrit
>>> :
>>>
>>> Visiblement la Normandie a perdu bien des tags des régions Haute- et
>>> Basse-Normandie.
>>> Par exemple les traductions.
>>> Certaines sont faciles (name:en=Normandy).
>>> Pour d'autres il faudra peut-être retrouver les auteurs des traductions
>>> des *-Normandie (ou sur Wikipedia).
>>>
>>> Pour "Nord-Pas-de-Calais et Picardie" il doit suffire de savoir dire
>>> "et" ;-).
>>>
>>> Jean-Yvon
>>>
>>> Le 29/12/2015 19:52, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>>
>>> des relations existent déjà, elle sont tagué :
>>> boundary=administrative
>>> admin_level:proposed=4
>>>
>>> pour les voir :
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dti
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting

[Graham Jones]

if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages that
are available with 'libtiff' in the title.  On my system it lists
libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that.

Regards

Graham.

On 3 January 2016 at 16:38, Skyler F  wrote:

> I am attempting a manual build of a tile server on Ubuntu 15.10. I just
> did a fresh install of Ubuntu, and will post the results as I go along from
> this link:
>
> https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/
>
> So, here is step 1:
>
>> sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev subversion git-core tar unzip wget 
>> bzip2 build-essential autoconf libtool libxml2-dev libgeos-dev libgeos++-dev 
>> libpq-dev libbz2-dev libproj-dev munin-node munin libprotobuf-c0-dev 
>> protobuf-c-compiler libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libtiff4-dev libicu-dev 
>> libgdal-dev libcairo-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev apache2 apache2-dev libagg-dev 
>> liblua5.2-dev ttf-unifont lua5.1 liblua5.1-dev libgeotiff-epsg node-carto
>>
>>
> Here is the Result:
>
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Note, selecting 'libprotobuf-c-dev' instead of 'libprotobuf-c0-dev'
> Note, selecting 'libcairo2-dev' instead of 'libcairo-dev'
> Note, selecting 'liblua5.1-0-dev' instead of 'liblua5.1-dev'
> Package libtiff4-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
> package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> However the following packages replace it:
>   libtiff5-dev:i386 libtiff5-dev
>
> E: Package 'libtiff4-dev' has no installation candidate
>
> I don't want to mess this up on my fresh Ubuntu so I'll wait at every step
> until there is a solution.
> What should I try, Should I install the replacement package instead?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Laurent Combe]

je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap pourrait
intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] imagerie mapbox

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 03/01/2016 18:05, Christian Quest a écrit :
Par contre, les images aériennes de l'IGN sont limité au territoire 
français dès qu'on zoome un peu...


autant pour moi, je n'ai pas fait attention au sujet "imagerie mapbox" 
(!!), je me suis arrêté à la "couche vue aérienne".








Le 3 janvier 2016 à 18:01, Vincent Bergeot > a écrit :


Le 03/01/2016 17:58, Laurent Combe a écrit :

je me permet de faire remonter ce sujet, pour savoir si umap
pourrait intégrer de base une couche "vue aérienne"


Bonjour,
à priori c'est le cas avec la couche ign photos aériennes.

exemple de test :

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/carte-sans-nom_62176#18/44.77228/-0.34978

Bonne année à tous et toutes (oui c'est hos sujet mais c'est la
période !)




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[OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée

[lionel bulpa]

Bonjour,
Il y a 29 jours, j'ai ajouté tout un quartier de Nannine (près de Namur) dans 
la base de donnée, je suis sur que les informations sont parvenues au serveur 
car les maisons, l'école, etc apparaissaient sur la carte. Je viens de 
vérifier, personne ne semble avoir édité le quartier depuis et pourtant, tout 
mon travail a disparu, quelqu'un sait il pourquoi?
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Colin Smale]

Aah, I see... I didn't expect to find it there! St Josephs is in OSM,
but as a node [1], which are not included as yet. I think some kind of
matching on the name is probably going to be important. Many schools are
also tagged with address data, so addr:postcode may also be a good
matching key - possibly even tighter than the name, given that schools
probably have their own postcode, and that the school names can change. 

//colin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/529528620 

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> On 3 January 2016 at 19:04, Colin Smale  wrote: 
> 
>> Any idea why it is not matching Gravesend Grammar School (at DA12 2PR) which
>> is in OSM with amenity=school on way
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142625579 ? I have noticed several other
>> schools in Gravesend and surroundings which as far as I can see are in OSM
>> and not being picked up by your scan.
> 
> If you look in the first table, you'll see that Edubase school 118987
> "St Joseph's Convent Independent Preparatory School" has been matched
> with OSM way 142625579. As I said, the matching is rather simplistic.
> I currently just go through each Edubase entry in turn and take the
> closest as-yet-unmatched OSM amenity=school object to the postcode
> centroid. Once an Edubase entry has taken an OSM object, that OSM
> object is no longer a potential matching candidate for any other
> Edubase Entries. I can probably improve the matching by preferring an
> exact name match if one exists. Fuzzy name matching may be a bit
> harder.
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[SK53]

Hi Rob et al.,

I've created a quick umap instance

showing school points within a school polygon.

If anyone can tell me how to remove the bit of html which makes the url to
the polygon not work, do let me know.

Regards,

Jerry

On 3 January 2016 at 17:45, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> >I've imported a current GB extract with osm2pgsql I find:
> >
> >
> >
> >Bye
> >Frederik
> >
>
> Good analysis there Frederik. Are you able to share the outputs so that
> others can use it to help the mapping efforts? A slippy map or maproulette
> task would be good but maybe just the raw data to get us started if your
> busy.
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 01/03/2016 06:45 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> Good analysis there Frederik. Are you able to share the outputs so that
> others can use it to help the mapping efforts? A slippy map or
> maproulette task would be good but maybe just the raw data to get us
> started if your busy.

I'm afraid I can't offer more than the raw data - three CSV files, one
with all points contained in other stuff, one with all polygons
contained in other stuff, and one with all stuff that is somehow near
other stuff. For the polygon IDs, a negative ID points to a relation.

http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/gb_schools.zip

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée

[Stijn Rombauts]

Bonjour,
[Je vais essayer de répondre en français.]
Je crois tout est encore dans la base de donnée. Le lien que tu a donné me mène 
vers la version 'MapQuest Open' de OSM qui n'est pas renouvelé souvent 
apparament. Si tu prend la version 'normale' tout est là, non? 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/50.41994/4.92651
StijnRR

 

  From: lionel bulpa 
 To: OpenStreetMap Belgium  
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 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée
   
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Bonsoir,
Je ne connaissais pas mon historique personnel mais je viens de regarder, mes 
dernières modifications ont bien été faites il y a 29 jours dans le quartier de 
Nannine, mon pseudo OSM est Lionel Bulpa : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Lionel%20Bulpa/history#map=12/50.4191/4.9200=Q
Si tu sais m'aider ;) , je dois avouer que je n'ai pas envie de recommencer
Merci
Lio

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:14:41 +0100
To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Erreur dans la base de donnée


Bonjour Lionel,
Quel est ton nom d’utilisateur sur OSM ? As-tu vérifié tes dernières 
contributions via ta page perso sur openstreetmap.com ?
Matthieu

On 03 Jan 2016, at 18:25, lionel bulpa  wrote:
Bonjour,
Il y a 29 jours, j'ai ajouté tout un quartier de Nannine (près de Namur) dans 
la base de donnée, je suis sur que les informations sont parvenues au serveur 
car les maisons, l'école, etc apparaissaient sur la carte. Je viens de 
vérifier, personne ne semble avoir édité le quartier depuis et pourtant, tout 
mon travail a disparu, quelqu'un sait il pourquoi?
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