Re: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
I put up the draft proposal on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/%E2%82%AC15.000_Funding_for_Software_Development_-_Proposal It's now Feb. 15th, it would be good to have the proposal finalized before the month is out. If you know of relevant wiki pages that should link to this, please add! Take care, -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 11 feb 2008, om 22:16 heeft Martijn van Exel het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within the Dutch chapter led to a proposal submitted on Dec. 1st. The proposal is in Dutch and encompasses much more than the software development. It is available here [3]. Last month NLNet granted our request for funding -- at least, the software development part. So now we have EUR15k to spend on various development projects! Great, huh? This is how we think we should proceed: 1. I'll set a page up on the Wiki up to enable us to finetune the projects we're going to be supporting (asap). Starting point will be the central issues outlined in the proposal: a. Monitoring and Rollback b. Mobile Editor c. 'Map annotation for the rest of us' 2. We'll have a review period to finalize the project definitions. This can't last too long, NLNet wants to see progress. Two weeks max. 3. After the review, I submit the definitive project plans to NLNet for approval. 4. On approval, anyone (individual or group) would be able bid on the projects. After that, we agree on who's doing what and we can start implementation. NLNet will require close monitoring, a transparent process, definition of milestones and progress reports throughout the year. This will be an excellent opportunity to catalyse some of the OSM development projects, don't you agree? Let's hear your thoughts on this, I'll let you know when the wiki is done. On behalf of the Dutch chapter, Take care, Martijn [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/020409.html [2] http://nlnet.nl/ [3] http://www.xs4all.nl/~exel0/osm/OSM%20subsidieaanvraag%202008.rtf -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
I was wondering if the 3 initial subprojects are still current. - Has any progress been made on those topics since November? - Are the requirements stated in the wiki complete and realistic? - Is the budgetted time in any way sufficient? The wiki page is intended to define subprojects that we actually need, so please discuss and refactor as needed. Just to be clear: anyone can bid for a sub-project, you don't have to be Dutch :) On 15 feb 2008, at 19:07, Martijn van Exel wrote: I put up the draft proposal on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/%E2%82%AC15.000_Funding_for_Software_Development_-_Proposal It's now Feb. 15th, it would be good to have the proposal finalized before the month is out. If you know of relevant wiki pages that should link to this, please add! Take care, -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 11 feb 2008, om 22:16 heeft Martijn van Exel het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within the Dutch chapter led to a proposal submitted on Dec. 1st. The proposal is in Dutch and encompasses much more than the software development. It is available here [3]. Last month NLNet granted our request for funding -- at least, the software development part. So now we have EUR15k to spend on various development projects! Great, huh? This is how we think we should proceed: 1. I'll set a page up on the Wiki up to enable us to finetune the projects we're going to be supporting (asap). Starting point will be the central issues outlined in the proposal: a. Monitoring and Rollback b. Mobile Editor c. 'Map annotation for the rest of us' 2. We'll have a review period to finalize the project definitions. This can't last too long, NLNet wants to see progress. Two weeks max. 3. After the review, I submit the definitive project plans to NLNet for approval. 4. On approval, anyone (individual or group) would be able bid on the projects. After that, we agree on who's doing what and we can start implementation. NLNet will require close monitoring, a transparent process, definition of milestones and progress reports throughout the year. This will be an excellent opportunity to catalyse some of the OSM development projects, don't you agree? Let's hear your thoughts on this, I'll let you know when the wiki is done. On behalf of the Dutch chapter, Take care, Martijn [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/020409.html [2] http://nlnet.nl/ [3] http://www.xs4all.nl/~exel0/osm/OSM%20subsidieaanvraag%202008.rtf -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl -- http://www.kovacevic.nl/blog ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
Gefeliciteerd. Zowaar een fantastisch resultaat. Ik denk dat we wel even na moeten denken op basis waarvan eventuele software auteurs betaald moeten worden. Tegen de marktconforme tarieven van softwarehouses, is de pot natuurlijk wel heel erg snel leeg. Misschien moeten we een soort OpenSource uurloon definieren ? Of kiezen we voor project financiering (lijkt mij beter). In het voorstel is uit gegaan van een redelijk tarief voor een freelancer die OSM een warm hart toedraagt, maar wel geld moet verdienen. Door dit geld kan die persoon nu kiezen om te werken aan OSM i.p.v. een wat beter betaalde commerciëlere klus. Uit het initiële voorstel: === Software Development Ontwikkelen van systemen voor backups, rollback-mogelijkheden, signaleren van wijzigingen en toekenning van niveaus van vertrouwen gekoppeld aan bijdragers en hun wijzigingen. 160 uur. Ontwikkelen van een lichtgewicht mobiele editor om het rechtstreeks controleren en aanpassen van de OpenStreetMap-data ‘in het veld’ mogelijk te maken. 160 uur. Ontwikkelen van een laagdrempeliger interface voor het doorgeven van eenvoudige wijzigingen door ‘leken’. 120 uur. Totaal 440 uur software development. We rekenen op eenderde van de tijd uit de community. Resteert grosso modo 300 uur à €50. === We moeten nu (snel) voorstel herzien tot wat we echt nodig hebben, wat het precies gaat doen, hoeveel tijd het gaat kosten en daarna voorstellen van developers vragen. Wie wordt de juridische opdrachtgever, en wie gaat de resultaten beoordelen Vrijschrift heeft aangegeven dat ze onder voorwaarden (geen arbeidsrelatie e.d.) juridisch entiteit willen zijn. Doelstellingen van Vrijschrift en OSM sluiten perfect bij elkaar aan en het scheelt opstart en operationele kosten. op kwaliteit, en daarmee de betalingen fiatteren ?? Er per uit te voeren subproject een contract opgesteld worden. Hierin worden deliverables, milestones, betalingen en andere voorwaarden vastgelegd worden. Fixed fee lijkt mij inderdaad zeer wenselijk :) Komt er per project een programma van eisen ?? Ja, zie mail Martijn. Op te stellen met community. We zijn allemaal van goede wil, maar we moeten daar wel afspraken over maken en ons daaraan houden. Terecht een van de belangrijkste aandachtspunten. Als we dit goed aanpakken kunnen we in de toekomst eenvoudiger meer fondsen werven. Wees dus vooral mede-scherp op proces en kwaliteit en bemoei je er mee. Ga ik ook proberen te doen :) Groet, Zoran -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Martijn van Exel Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 2008 22:17 Aan: Talk Openstreetmap CC: OpenStreetMap BE discussion list; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within the Dutch chapter led to a proposal submitted on Dec. 1st. The proposal is in Dutch and encompasses much more than the software development. It is available here [3]. Last month NLNet granted our request for funding -- at least, the software development part. So now we have EUR15k to spend on various development projects! Great, huh? This is how we think we should proceed: 1. I'll set a page up on the Wiki up to enable us to finetune the projects we're going to be supporting (asap). Starting point will be the central issues outlined in the proposal: a. Monitoring and Rollback b. Mobile Editor c. 'Map annotation for the rest of us' 2. We'll have a review period to finalize the project definitions. This can't last too long, NLNet wants to see progress. Two weeks max. 3. After the review, I submit the definitive project plans to NLNet for approval. 4. On approval, anyone (individual or group) would be able bid on the projects. After that, we agree on who's doing what and we can start implementation. NLNet will require close monitoring, a transparent process, definition of milestones and progress reports throughout the year. This will be an excellent opportunity to catalyse some of the OSM development projects, don't you agree? Let's hear your thoughts on this, I'll let you know when the wiki is done. On behalf of the Dutch chapter, Take care, Martijn [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/ 020409.html [2] http://nlnet.nl/ [3] http://www.xs4all.nl/~exel0/osm/OSM%20subsidieaanvraag%202008.rtf -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within the Dutch chapter led to a proposal submitted on Dec. 1st. The proposal is in Dutch and encompasses much more than the software development. It is available here [3]. Last month NLNet granted our request for funding -- at least, the software development part. So now we have EUR15k to spend on various development projects! Great, huh? This is how we think we should proceed: 1. I'll set a page up on the Wiki up to enable us to finetune the projects we're going to be supporting (asap). Starting point will be the central issues outlined in the proposal: a. Monitoring and Rollback b. Mobile Editor c. 'Map annotation for the rest of us' 2. We'll have a review period to finalize the project definitions. This can't last too long, NLNet wants to see progress. Two weeks max. 3. After the review, I submit the definitive project plans to NLNet for approval. 4. On approval, anyone (individual or group) would be able bid on the projects. After that, we agree on who's doing what and we can start implementation. NLNet will require close monitoring, a transparent process, definition of milestones and progress reports throughout the year. This will be an excellent opportunity to catalyse some of the OSM development projects, don't you agree? Let's hear your thoughts on this, I'll let you know when the wiki is done. On behalf of the Dutch chapter, Take care, Martijn [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/020409.html [2] http://nlnet.nl/ [3] http://www.xs4all.nl/~exel0/osm/OSM%20subsidieaanvraag%202008.rtf -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
Gefeliciteerd. Zowaar een fantastisch resultaat. Ik denk dat we wel even na moeten denken op basis waarvan eventuele software auteurs betaald moeten worden. Tegen de marktconforme tarieven van softwarehouses, is de pot natuurlijk wel heel erg snel leeg. Misschien moeten we een soort OpenSource uurloon definieren ? Of kiezen we voor project financiering (lijkt mij beter). Wie wordt de juridische opdrachtgever, en wie gaat de resultaten beoordelen op kwaliteit, en daarmee de betalingen fiatteren ?? Komt er per project een programma van eisen ?? We zijn allemaal van goede wil, maar we moeten daar wel afspraken over maken en ons daaraan houden. Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Martijn van Exel Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 2008 22:17 Aan: Talk Openstreetmap CC: OpenStreetMap BE discussion list; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within the Dutch chapter led to a proposal submitted on Dec. 1st. The proposal is in Dutch and encompasses much more than the software development. It is available here [3]. Last month NLNet granted our request for funding -- at least, the software development part. So now we have EUR15k to spend on various development projects! Great, huh? This is how we think we should proceed: 1. I'll set a page up on the Wiki up to enable us to finetune the projects we're going to be supporting (asap). Starting point will be the central issues outlined in the proposal: a. Monitoring and Rollback b. Mobile Editor c. 'Map annotation for the rest of us' 2. We'll have a review period to finalize the project definitions. This can't last too long, NLNet wants to see progress. Two weeks max. 3. After the review, I submit the definitive project plans to NLNet for approval. 4. On approval, anyone (individual or group) would be able bid on the projects. After that, we agree on who's doing what and we can start implementation. NLNet will require close monitoring, a transparent process, definition of milestones and progress reports throughout the year. This will be an excellent opportunity to catalyse some of the OSM development projects, don't you agree? Let's hear your thoughts on this, I'll let you know when the wiki is done. On behalf of the Dutch chapter, Take care, Martijn [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-November/020409.html [2] http://nlnet.nl/ [3] http://www.xs4all.nl/~exel0/osm/OSM%20subsidieaanvraag%202008.rtf -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] EUR 15K grant for software development
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: Misschien moeten we een soort OpenSource uurloon definieren ? Of kiezen we voor project financiering (lijkt mij beter) Ja, bounty systeem wil ook nog wel eens positieve stimulans opleveren. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
