[Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Boehme wrote: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph Thanks Christoph. How do I find what what tags are needed to be completely tagged? The page still won't print (produces a largely blank page from FF3) which is valuable for taking out to find stops yet to be checked. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 22 Oct 2009, at 10:11, Christoph Boehme wrote: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Thanks Christoph. Much clearer. I understand that when you update the colours you will show:- 1) Unverified naptan import nodes (ie with verified=no) 2) bus stops in OSM which don't have any NaPTAN fields (ie ones without a naptan:AtcoCode field). 3) stops that don't have all the expected fields (please remove routeref field from this test) 4) and of course... complete and happy stops which have everything required! Can I suggest that you place stops with issues on top of ones without issues on the browser, so that stops with problems are not obscured by nearby ones which are ok. When you have that in place I will I suppose have to go and complete the review of stops in my town! Thanks again, Peter Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study
Hello all As part of the data.gov.uk experiments, I had several encounters with top brass of various gov departments. They were very excited in the NaPTAN import, none of them had heard about it and as far as I know it is the first example of crowdsourced improvements to a UK gov dataset. Very glad to see http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ is back online today. I need to prepare some briefing information to send back to top brass, and was wondering where are some good locations to show off the great work OSMappers have been doing with the NaPTAN data? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study
Christopher Osborne wrote: Hello all As part of the data.gov.uk http://data.gov.uk experiments, I had several encounters with top brass of various gov departments. They were very excited in the NaPTAN import, none of them had heard about it and as far as I know it is the first example of crowdsourced improvements to a UK gov dataset. Very glad to see http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ is back online today. I need to prepare some briefing information to send back to top brass, and was wondering where are some good locations to show off the great work OSMappers have been doing with the NaPTAN data? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com http://www.itoworld.com We have checked about 75% of the stops in Hull. I have established a contact in the city council's transport team who has received the data we have checked with all of our comments about what we found so far. I hope he will use the data to feed back to NaPTAN so eventually the quality will improve all round. I created a simple overlay for the city http://bus.raggedred.net to help to show the progress but also to highlight stops that we have found that need correction to the NaPTAN data. I like the idea and the look of NOVAM, esp. because it is national and updates regularly, but it doesn't yet show quite what I need to help the council team. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Boehme a écrit : Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph Hi, There is no control of the map with the URL, and no permalink to check the URLs and add it to the mapJumper : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/mapJumper http://frvipofm.net/osm/mapjumper/?mode=hub Sorry, I wanted to translate the wiki page into English but English is not my native language... If somebody wants to try the translation. -- Vincent alias FrViPofm ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Spam] Re: NOVAM is back
On 22 Oct 2009, at 14:30, Christoph Boehme wrote: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Will be added too. All good ideas. A 'see this area of mapping in openstreetmap.org' would also be great. Do you mean in an editor or just on the OSM website? I meant just the plain old OSM website from which one could use edit if one wished. Having said that the MapJumper is possibly a better way of achieving this (although I don't yet understand exactly how it works). The 'help' link doesn't see to be much help btw (it just links back to the same page as far as I can see). Possibly a page of explanation would be good. There is no help available yet. Perhaps I better remove the link completely until some documentation has been compiled. I think that would be a good idea - however, help doesn't need to be more complex than saying what a 'complete set of tags' means really with a few links into the wiki. Alternatively, why not just direct the 'help' link to the wiki and then we can add whatever is appriopriate for the help to that page. Regards, Peter Cheers, Christoph Regards, Peter Shaun Thanks again, Peter Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study
On 22 Oct 2009, at 15:12, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 22 Oct 2009, at 15:00, Peter Miller wrote: Every bus stop has an associated authority in NaPTAN - possibly we should import this as well to help spot errors in the boundaries. You don't need to import the authority into OSM too. The bug reporting system could take an osm node id, then lookup the live naptan data for differences etc and these could be included in the report, which would go to the authority that has been found in the live naptan data. The other advantage of this, is that if the naptan bus stop changes hands (for whatever reason) then it'll be going to the right group, rather than an out of date group from some old OSM data. To be cleat, to date we have only been given permission to take occasional updates from NaPTAN with agreement from Traveline - and we do not have agreement to 'sniff' the live data on a regular basis as I think you are suggesting. However... I would not be surprised if Traveline agreed to allow access to the live data in time given the motivation that is building within the community to get the data right in both systems. Even with the above restriction, we will of course be able to parse the released version of NaPTAN against the OSM versions of the same data and produce reports for OSM contributors, which could include details of stops that appear to be out of the appropriate authority, or where the NaTPAN and the OSM data have diverged and where one or other of the datasets may be wrong. Regards, Peter Shaun___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] Interesting NapTAN/OSM data
with top brass of various gov departments. They were very excited in the NaPTAN import, none of them had heard about it and as far as I know it is the first example of crowdsourced improvements to a UK gov dataset. Very glad to see http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ is back online today. I need to prepare some briefing information to send back to top brass, and was wondering where are some good locations to show off the great work OSMappers have been doing with the NaPTAN data? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20091022/a8cfc11a/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:55:52 +0100 From: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 4ae04848.2070...@raggedred.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Christopher Osborne wrote: Hello all As part of the data.gov.uk http://data.gov.uk experiments, I had several encounters with top brass of various gov departments. They were very excited in the NaPTAN import, none of them had heard about it and as far as I know it is the first example of crowdsourced improvements to a UK gov dataset. Very glad to see http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ is back online today. I need to prepare some briefing information to send back to top brass, and was wondering where are some good locations to show off the great work OSMappers have been doing with the NaPTAN data? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com http://www.itoworld.com We have checked about 75% of the stops in Hull. I have established a contact in the city council's transport team who has received the data we have checked with all of our comments about what we found so far. I hope he will use the data to feed back to NaPTAN so eventually the quality will improve all round. I created a simple overlay for the city http://bus.raggedred.net to help to show the progress but also to highlight stops that we have found that need correction to the NaPTAN data. I like the idea and the look of NOVAM, esp. because it is national and updates regularly, but it doesn't yet show quite what I need to help the council team. Cheers, Chris -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:33:02 +0200 From: Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 4ae050fe.7010...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Christoph Boehme a ?crit : Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph Hi, There is no control of the map with the URL, and no permalink to check the URLs and add it to the mapJumper : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/mapJumper http://frvipofm.net/osm/mapjumper/?mode=hub Sorry, I wanted to translate the wiki page into English but English is not my native language... If somebody wants to try the translation. -- Vincent alias FrViPofm -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:54:13 +0100 From: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 4df03676-52c7-4a80-a1de-77d355a5f...@itoworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 22 Oct 2009, at 12:55, Chris Hill wrote: Christopher Osborne wrote: Hello all As part of the data.gov.uk http://data.gov.uk experiments, I had several encounters with top brass of various gov departments. They were very excited in the NaPTAN import, none of them had heard about it and as far as I know it is the first example of crowdsourced improvements to a UK gov dataset. Very glad to see http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/ is back online today. I need to prepare some briefing information to send back to top brass, and was wondering where are some good locations to show off the great work OSMappers have been doing with the NaPTAN data? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com http://www.itoworld.com We have checked about 75% of the stops in Hull. I have established
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study
I will not be adding route_ref tags, all route information is going on relations. One aspect of NaPTAN which I have not investigated in any detail are Stop Place. I was hoping that we would have visualisation of the relations in OePNV-Karte but it does not parse the NaPTAN data. My impression is that many of these are peculiar in Nottingham: for instance the Nottingham Road / Vernon Road stop place includes two tram stops (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/258878); and Nottingham Road / Haydn Road extends for around 1500 metres (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/258691), with one stop in the group being a kilometre away from where I (as a bus user) would assume the stop place to be (i.e., by The Potters House church). Jerry From: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2009 15:38:27 Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study I forgot to add: I agree with Peter, please drop the route_ref tag as a requirement for completed stops. Most of the stops in Hull have no route info on the stop signs. And in Clacton some signs do (in which case I add the tag) and some don't. Those that do might not have kept up with changing routes however so may be wrong. Adding routes is something I'll be doing at some point, but won't be relying on the route numbers on the signs. I did drive along behind the 137 one morning until it took a bus only road... Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study
I'd completely forgotten that tram stops were imported, because they were stored as bus stops in NaPTAN: this is a significant data issue with Nottingham data (3% of data). I think I've failed to make clear that these examples were of defined stop places which appear to me to be far too diffuse to have any coherence either for transport planners or transport users. However, I don't know enough about NaPTAN rules to be sure of this. I also don't know if anyone else has looked at stop places in the data which has been imported. Jerry From: Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2009 17:23:08 Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study The tram stops should not have been imported as bus stops, this appears to be an error in the Nottingham data - they're identifying them as bus stops for some unknown reason. But, I think we've covered it in the past. Stop places will eventually be expanded to include inter-modal groups, I've not yet worked with the applicable datasets though. 2009/10/22 Jerry Clough - OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk: I will not be adding route_ref tags, all route information is going on relations. One aspect of NaPTAN which I have not investigated in any detail are Stop Place. I was hoping that we would have visualisation of the relations in OePNV-Karte but it does not parse the NaPTAN data. My impression is that many of these are peculiar in Nottingham: for instance the Nottingham Road / Vernon Road stop place includes two tram stops (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/258878); and Nottingham Road / Haydn Road extends for around 1500 metres (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/258691), with one stop in the group being a kilometre away from where I (as a bus user) would assume the stop place to be (i.e., by The Potters House church). Jerry From: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 22 October, 2009 15:38:27 Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN case study I forgot to add: I agree with Peter, please drop the route_ref tag as a requirement for completed stops. Most of the stops in Hull have no route info on the stop signs. And in Clacton some signs do (in which case I add the tag) and some don't. Those that do might not have kept up with changing routes however so may be wrong. Adding routes is something I'll be doing at some point, but won't be relying on the route numbers on the signs. I did drive along behind the 137 one morning until it took a bus only road... Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Spam] Re: NOVAM is back
I added the permalink and mapjumper is now working fine. It is a very
handy tool!
Cheers,
Christoph
Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com schrieb:
Peter Miller wrote:
I meant just the plain old OSM website from which one could use edit
if one wished. Having said that the MapJumper is possibly a better
way of achieving this (although I don't yet understand exactly how
it works).
First
===
The server must be recorded into the list of the wiki page :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/mapJumper/MapJumperServers
(One rule, the service must be linked to the OSM project.)
I suggest something like :
{{MapJumperServer
| name = novam
| shortcut = n
| url = mappa-mercia.org/novam/
| layers = B0T
| desc = post-import NaPTAN
| theme = import,survey
| zone = UK
}}
I will not be there those days when the URL control and permalink
would be set.
So you ( Christoph ?) can hat this record.
The full url must be check. Cloudmade's like URL are supported by
adding | lon = lng
When the page is saved, the server is available in the mapJumper page.
Second
=
Install a bookmarklet in your browser
--
- Go to the mapJumper builder page :
http://frvipofm.net/osm/mapjumper/
- Chose a preset, make your choice...
The javascript code is set dynamicly in the yellow zone.
- Copy the code
- Create a new bookmark in your browser, give it a name (let us say
'mJ[survey]', you can have several mapJumper with different themes)
- Paste the code and save.
The mapJumper bookmarklet is available.
Third
Using the mapJumper bookmarklet
When you are on a map with a reguliar url (with
'lat=NNN[lon|lng]=NNNzoom=NNN')
- Select the mapJumper bookmarklet.
- In the dialog, enter the shortcut ( let us say : 'n' ), if you want
the map open in a new window, add a '+' sign. Enter.
Using the mapJumper hub
-
By default the mapJumper hub is available in the bookmarklet with the
'_' (underscore) shortcut.
With only one clic more, with the '_' shortcut, all the services are
near... Even those you didn't select...
When you are on a map with a reguliar url (with
'lat=NNN[lon|lng]=NNNzoom=NNN')
- Select the mapJumper bookmarklet.
- In the dialog, enter the '_' shortcut, if you want the map open in a
new window, add a '+' sign. Enter.
- On the hub page, select a theme, or select directly the service.
Fourth
=
Enjoy
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Vincent alias FrViPofm
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