[Talk-us] Denver RTD's public_transport growth
I "found something rectangular" and sketched in http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Colorado/Railroads which we might agree (as a useful, communicative wiki) is "alpha-1" or so. Denver's FasTracks Lines grow, let's sync OSM and this wiki with another up-to-date light_rail table. This strategy works: Portland TriMet, meet California/Railroads, meet Miami/BrightLine, meet San Francisco BART, meet Denver RTD...and so on. Rail mapping feels like solving a crossword, good for the mind and then there's that volunteer spirit part, too. Go! SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X", etc.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 6:29 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > Heh. Sometimes you have to wait a long time. The signage on 'Avenue of > the Americas' in New York City has said that since the 1950's. The > Postal Service prefers that name on street addresses. New Yorkers > call it Sixth Avenue, which confuses the tourists no end. Likewise, > to a New Yorker, Bruckner Boulevard goes over the Triboro[ugh] Bridge > coming out of the Bronx. The signs say I-278 and Robert F. Kennedy > Bridge. The locals never do. When asked about them, the likely > response will be something like, 'oh, yeah, they renamed one of the > bridges for Bobby Kennedy, didn't they?" > Reminds me of how long it took Portland to phase in Martin Luther King, Junior Boulevard, and old timers for various reasons (many of them rather reprehensible) that still call that street "Union Avenue" or even it's even older name, "Railroad Avenue"... > > Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it > can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as > people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows > better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end. > > ^ This. The name of a geographic feature is what the locals call it. > Why should 150th Street be a name, but County Road 34 have to be > relegated to noname=yes if it has no other name? (Then again, I come > from a part of the world that has settlements named Number Four, > Township 40, and Thirteenth Lake. Those things all started out as > reference numbers but are now established names.) > It's pretty common for county roads to not have names, only refs, though. Why tag twice? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X", etc.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:18 PM Nathan Mills wrote: > My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to use > the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the Legislature's > political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said, there are > situations in which most/all signage refers to the new name, in which case > switching them makes sense. (Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in > Fayetteville, AR being an example. Most still call it 6th Street, but the > city, nearly all signage, and the USPS' preferred name are all "Martin Luther > King Jr Boulevard," and they are going to keep it up until everyone gets with > the program) Heh. Sometimes you have to wait a long time. The signage on 'Avenue of the Americas' in New York City has said that since the 1950's. The Postal Service prefers that name on street addresses. New Yorkers call it Sixth Avenue, which confuses the tourists no end. Likewise, to a New Yorker, Bruckner Boulevard goes over the Triboro[ugh] Bridge coming out of the Bronx. The signs say I-278 and Robert F. Kennedy Bridge. The locals never do. When asked about them, the likely response will be something like, 'oh, yeah, they renamed one of the bridges for Bobby Kennedy, didn't they?" > Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it can > sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as people > do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows better > comes along in the future it will all work out in the end. ^ This. The name of a geographic feature is what the locals call it. Why should 150th Street be a name, but County Road 34 have to be relegated to noname=yes if it has no other name? (Then again, I come from a part of the world that has settlements named Number Four, Township 40, and Thirteenth Lake. Those things all started out as reference numbers but are now established names.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X", etc.
The New Sapulpa Road situation is in practice a road with a secondary name. Just like Flagler Street in part of Miami (FL, not OK) is defined by the state legislature as being "Natan A Rok Boulevard" (or similar, working from memory here). My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to use the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the Legislature's political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said, there are situations in which most/all signage refers to the new name, in which case switching them makes sense. (Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in Fayetteville, AR being an example. Most still call it 6th Street, but the city, nearly all signage, and the USPS' preferred name are all "Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard," and they are going to keep it up until everyone gets with the program) Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end. -Nathan On September 1, 2018 5:28:11 PM EDT, Paul Johnson wrote: >On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM Peter Dobratz wrote: > >To cite a specific example of how we might map something, consider the >town >> of Waldport, Oregon. >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/44.42718/-124.06667 >> >> As you can see, there is a US Route 101 running north-south through >town. >> Roads north of Northwest Hemlock Street include Northwest as part of >their >> names and roads south of Northwest Hemlock Street include Southwest >as part >> of their name. US Route 101 is currently mapped in OSM with >> "name=Northwest Highway 101" for the portions north of Northwest >Hemlock >> Street and "name="Southwest Highway 101" for the portions south of >> Northwest Hemlock Street. If we drop the name tag from this road in >OSM, >> then we lose the Northwest and Southwest directional prefix. I think >we >> should retain the name tags on roads like this. >> > >I don't. While it is uncommon, there's other ways of handling this. >The >way should still be noname=yes in this case. > > >> Here is an examples of a POI along this route: >> >> https://www.grand-central-pizza.com/ >> Grand Central Pizza >> 245 SW Hwy 101 >> Waldport, OR 97394 >> >> USPS standard format of the address: >> 245 SW HIGHWAY 101 >> WALDPORT, OR 97394-3036 >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/463377211 >> addr:housenumber=245 >> addr:street=Southwest Highway 101 >> addr:city=Waldport >> addr:state=OR >> addr:postcode=97394 >> > >And this is how you would handle addresses along such a highway. This >also >comes up (uncommon but still happens) where the USPS has decided to >consider addresses with a different name than the street that frontages >it. In an extreme example, there's a road in my region that has the >name >"Officer Larry W. Cantrell and Mister Charles L. Cantrell Memorial >Highway". The addresses along it are all "New Sapulpa Road", the >road's >old name, presumably due to brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-08-31
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
