Re: [Tango-L] Finnish Tandas
Yes I can confirm everything Richard says us is correct. As to websites on Finnish tango, try: http://www.tangomarkkinat.fi/english/etusivu.htm http://www.fimic.fi/ (search on tango - there are no direct links to the articles) and my blog http://www.finnishtango.blogspot.com/ John Ward Bristol, UK __ Find the answer to your questions - www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Argentine Nights
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Re: [Tango-L] Origin of Tandas
Thanks for the comments on tandas. I don't find them surprising. Huck, I totally agree that we dont cater to beginners, that we generally hold the codigos more important than any compromise. As you said, our approach is to favor those with (ten) years of experience. As far as asking beginners to dance with only one or two songs left in a tanda, I agree that its an excellent idea. Unfortunately, beginner men generally don't have an opportunity to ask in the middle of a tanda. But from past comments from women on this list and what Ive seen and heard first hand, in reality I dont think they are being asked late in a tanda very much. I hope you are one that practices it regularly. As far as playing anything other than tandas having to be awful, Im less inclined to go along. I go to other types of dances with DJed music. Its generally played with some kind of organization and is rarely, to use your term, played willy-nilly. It is not played in strict 4 song sequences without partner changes in between. Also, it sounds like the Finns use a somewhat different structure, a modified tanda of only 2 songs with encouraged (mandatory?) changes between. While their style of tango is certainly not the traditional Argentine tango, it certainly appears to have achieved immense popularity there. That returns me to my original question, that perhaps we believe that the codigos are in fact more important, perhaps even essential, to Argentine tango than any compromise that could be made for increased accessibility. What impact do we think this might have on the future of Argentine tango? Do we think that there will always be those few who get it and will be willing to put in the years? No flames please. Im not exactly sure where Im at myself on these questions. I seriously dont know the answers and am offering this only for consideration. mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Argentine Nights
No need to rush to read the article for dancing reasons. It actually has very little to say about tango. It is mostly about the new wave of people moving there. But it has some tips about other aspects of life there. Charles ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Advertising - NYTimes.com: Argentine Nights
Man! Is it just me or is that the best picture you've ever seen for advertising tango? Damn! I wanna learn! I think communities should look into getting the rights to using it and think of a great caption to lure men into the sport! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Advertising - NYTimes.com: Argentine Nights
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Re: [Tango-L] Tango-L Digest, Vol 24, Issue 16
Huck Kennedy wrote: The tanda structure is not an anachronism. Like other Argentine codigos, it evolved over time to what it is today because it serves a very useful purpose. What is most interesting is that, world wide, all other social dances seem to get along wonderfully without benefit of the codigos, even if the dances are quite complex. Without being disrespectful, one could easily imagine that the codigos evolved in a particular culture at a particular time in history to address particular cultural needs and social standards. But that doesn't make them universals. Recognizing that they are perhaps, for most modern cultures outside of Argentina, entirely arbitrary in no way demeans them. Nor does it say that they can't be employed in a Milonga irrespective of the location and date as simply a part of the tradition of the Milonga. But I do not understand the blind conservatism, in any life endeavor, that argues that we do it the way we do it because that is how we do it and then proceeds to defend it as being the only true way on this basis. Sorry, but this is probably the scientist nerd in me rearing its head. Regards, D. David Thorn _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Los Mancifestas
What can anyone tell me about the Orquesta Los Mancifestas? Thank you D. David Thorn _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] There is only tango...
Ron wrote: Forms of tango where the embrace is opened, often classified as 'tango fantasia' or 'tango nuevo' are reserved for the stage or for exhibitions at some milongas. I don't understand how ignoring comments from dancers who are intimately familiar with the world of tango in BaAs, c.f. Meredith Klein's comment [Tango-L] Different styles of tango in Buenos Aires (was: Now that I'm here in BA) on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:29 -0800 contributes to our understanding or appreciation of tango. Pushing personal agenda despite evidence to the contrary is extraordinarily puzzling to me. Again, probably the scientist nerd in me. Well, enough reading and posting for the day (3!!! in one day). 'Till later. Cheers, D. David Thorn _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Sigs... Was: Finnish Tandas
Barb.. I know you know how to finnish tango... You've done that here already, right? But this is about the sig... Since it's always good to review netiquette occasionally, for everyone's sake, I thought I'd reply to all instead of doing so privately. The netiquette for sigs has been around since the beginning of online time. That they be 2 or 3, or possibly 4 lines at the *most*... Historically they have been placed unobtrusively out of the way, a line or two below the validiction and signature. It was already a well established practice when I first started communicating via email, before the internet, over 20 years ago, with an email address that was a 'string of numbers' @ compuserv.com. Sigs were and are meant to allow website urls, quotes that one finds meaningful, funny expressions, the company worked for, or other short items that in general help to define one's 'persona'.Sig changers have even been deleloped to 'cover more ground', while keeping within netiquette's guidelines. So it's very disconcerting to me, and I'm sure to others, to be reading a post on an aspect of Tango.., and then to have it switch to something totally unrelated and irrelevant to the subject at hand. That it is in fact a 'sig'? No validiction. No name. Almost as though the post was made specifically to lead one into the sig. Closely relating the post to spam. Another point can be made. The sig in question seems rather inappropriate to begin with.As though inviting the entire world to join the Buffalo bats. Surely this is not so. So to fix this, as I'm sure most know, it's very easy for one to have the sig change automatically.., to match the people one is writing to. The particular newsgroup.., listserv.., local group.., family.., etc.. I use Agent myself and I have about 6 different sigs that each attach correctly to the particular people or person the email is going to. The later versions of most email apps should have this ability. We all need to try and keep order. Allowing the widest possible interpretation of a post, being careful to not create what are essentially duplicate threads.., staying on topic, and of course keeping the sigs under control. Abrazos Floyd On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:12:58 -0400, you wrote: thanks - I have to admit that I am fascinated by Finnish tango - I don't know about other people on the list, but I'd like to know if there are any websites, etc. - for English speakers :) Have you joined the Buffalo Argentine Tango Society Yahoo! group yet? It's easy, and the best way to make sure you know what we're doing and what's going on with the Argentine tango in and around Buffalo..go to www.yahoo.com select Groups search for Buffalo Argentine Tango Society follow the directions to join BATS_tango. Thanks! ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Buffalo Tango - Argentine Tango - How To Tango * * * * * * www.buffalotango.com * * * * * * ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] NYT article...
and they mentioned my blog. (As of this writing more than 3500 hits in 2.5 days!) I know it is difficult for many people who have never been here before, but tango is not a regular part of Argentine life. Few Argentines compared to the general population actually dance. You are looking at an area population of 12 million people and a tango community of about 5,000. Buenos Aires has long been known for its art scene and young clothing designers. While the previous government in the Capital Federal promoted tango for tourism, the current government of Macri will not. The arts will continued to be promoted because the government feels that art and culture benefit the population as a whole. Before you get too upset about this, those of us who live and dance here support this. Why? Because in supporting tango, the government was promoting tango in a way that was an abuse to the foreign population who come here to dance. There were government sponsored seminars teaching businesses how to best get that foreign dollar. Everything went up in price - more than inflationary raises. Teachers went from charging 100 - 150 pesos a lesson to 250 - 350 pesos. The rational is that is what is paid in the U.S. or Europe, so why not here? I was asked by a dancer to teach with him. He wanted us to charge $200 USD for privates. I declined. I don't abuse my own people. While most of the milongas were charging 10 - 12 pesos to enter a year ago, there were some that stopped catering to the locals, and went after the cruise ship business, hotel guests - non-dancers, and charged 20 pesos to hear a live orchestra for 30 minutes. Poorly made tango shoes made with cardboard filler are now costing $280 - $300 pesos. The biggest abuse? The campeonato mundial where people paid a fortune to compete. The promoter is now bringing the International Ballroom competition here. That should say it all. These crazy abusive prices along with inflation had one of my Argentine friends commenting to me: One day the milongas will be all foreigners because none of us will be able to afford to come to a milonga. So while I can appreciate that the people on this list think of Buenos Aires only in the concept of tango, this is a city with far more to offer than just tango. Or I would not live here. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Codigos from a woman's POV
--- David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is most interesting is that, world wide, all other social dances seem to get along wonderfully without benefit of the codigos, even if the dances are quite complex. But how many of those social dances place the woman's body in such direct contact with the man and in how many of them do the dances last for the length of a tanda ( 10-14 minutes)? I really like that I am able to ignore a solicitation for a dance from someone to whom I do not wish to give my body. EG: on Friday night, following a class for beginners, one of the men approached a line of experienced women dancers asking for a dance to milonga traspie music. Of course, we all knew he could not manage the dance after his first lesson so we all said, No, thank you. That did not deter him - he continued to ask 4-5 women and was shot down each time. Had it been a nice, slow, tango with clear beat, any one of us might have accepted or even initiated a cabceo to encourage him. As it was, he was shot down. It is not my duty to give my body to any man - much less to one who might physically hurt me with rough leads. It has sometimes taken days for my back, hand or arms to recover from being man-handled by a beginner. It should always be the lady's choice. The men who are asked by women should also have the option to decline a dance - whether it is done thru the cabaceo or more directly. The cabaceo works and saves face and is not unkind. Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] There is only tango...
David Thorn wrote: I don't understand how ignoring comments from dancers who are intimately familiar with the world of tango in BaAs, c.f. Meredith Klein's comment [Tango-L] Different styles of tango in Buenos Aires (was: Now that I'm here in BA) on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:29 -0800 contributes to our understanding or appreciation of tango. Pushing personal agenda despite evidence to the contrary is extraordinarily puzzling to me. Again, probably the scientist nerd in me. First a question. As a scientist, are you basing your response solely on Meredith's comments or from your own research in Buenos Aires? Ron was not pushing any personal agenda here. Sounds more like a lack of knowledge of the tango scene there from Meredith, or at best a myopic one. The milongas in Buenos Aires usually do not and did not have open embrace or nuevo tango dancing (too crowded) but that has changed somewhat over the last ten years or so. There are many milongas in Buenos Aires and Meredith's intimately familiar observations are only her limited experience and depend on where she went. When I was there, none of the milongas that I went to had any sort of open style dancing and I went to a different place every night for two weeks. New milongas that cater to the open style of dancing and/or nuevo styles are a recent development and there are places to go for that, but they are not the prevalent style. There are also early or afternoon milongas for the early birds, a fairly new development. The scene is evolving but nuevo is the new kid on the block, compared to traditional tango.I personally am glad there are now places for both nuevo and alternative music, or whatever people want to do, because that means we have a choice. We can go wherever the others don't go, which is where I'll be in three weeks. Cheers, Charles ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] There is only tango...
Charles: In the spirit of full disclosure I have to admit that I have never been to BsAs and that _all_ of my knowledge is second hand. Also, since Meredith lives, dances and teaches there, and apparently (based on previous posts) dances in a wide variety of situations, I was placing more weight on her words than on those of mere visitors to BsAs. I was even placing more weight on her words than on those of other BsAs residents whose sole focus appears to be only on the close embrace style and on the Milongas that are exclusively close embrace. From Meredith's postings, and from having spent time understanding Andres' background ( andresamarilla.com ), I assume that Meredith has a fairly good and broad understanding of the entire BsAs tango world. In particular, I would need significantly more evidence than I have seen to believe that the under 40 year-old dancers, and especially the under 30 y.o. dancers, do not dance open / nuevo when a particular Milonga's etiquette permits. And her posts seem to indicate that at some Milongas, etiquette does so permit. The result is that I am very sceptical of such blanket remarks as: Forms of tango where the embrace is opened, often classified as 'tango fantasia' or 'tango nuevo' are reserved for the stage or for exhibitions at some milongas. But I certainly could be (and often am) wrong. Cheers, D. David Thorn _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango radio programs via internet
Los Secretos de la Milonga Radio Palermo 94.7 FM Saturday 14 hs. www.radiopalermo.com.ar Los Habitantes de La Musica Radio Tango 1120 AM Tuesday 21 hs. www.amtango.com.ar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
