Re: [Tango-L] Will close embrace go the way of the dinosaur?
Actually, I disagree that nuevo will decrease. It may not be called nuevo, but it will still be there. The reasons are simple. Nuevo classes (or, really, classes with tricky patterns) are popular. That drives the nuevo scene. But, also, we are all better at some things than others in this dance. The majority of men find it easier to go down the path of excelling at tricky moves than at becoming smooth. And, finally, women don't, typically, complain to the guy's face that he is throwing her around. So, without that knowledge, they will keep doing what they are good at, so to speak. Here are two intersting questions: 1. What percentage of guys have looking good and having fun on the top of their minds? 2. What percentage of guys have being softer and softer on the top of their list? I would guess that #1 far outweighs #2. It is what it is! ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Changes of direction
Jack: You listed the 6 CODs as : Right foot front cross to left foot back cross; Right foot back cross to left foot front cross; Right foot open step to left foot open step; Left foot front cross to right foot back cross; Left foot back cross to right foot front cross; and Left foot open step to right foot open step I'm a little confused. I lead quite a number of other things that I think of as changes of direction. For Example: Left Front Cross (now pivot follow 180 deg CCW on left foot) to Right Back (Open). Backstep, not Sidestep. (This certainly can mess with women who don't follow since they are perhaps expecting that after the LFX they will either be led side to continue the turn or RFX as a front ocho.) This is essentially a rock step with a pivot in between. It is very akin to LFX (now both lead follow pivot 180 deg CW) BRX except that by not pivoting with my partner her back right is open and not cross. Cheers, D. David Thorn P.S. And yes Astrid - follows are not expected to get this. It does however represent the intellectual side of the lead process for at least some of us leads. P.P.S. I know that I left the list, but somehow my request to be removed was ignored and I just couldn't help asking this. _ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Will close embrace go the way of the dinosaur?
Mario: I'm not sure why you might ask this. All of the decent nuevo dancers that I know are entirely capable of dancing close embrace, often do dance close embrace, and in fact may change embrace a number of times during a song to incorporate various degrees of light. Although I am sure that they do exist, I personally know no, zero, nuevo dancers who think that they should not be proficient at all forms of dancing to tango music. It is possible that your perception of a dichotomy between the open and close embrace dancers is a boggyman, spawned by a vocal minority who seem to believe that nuevo is a bastard child of the one true tango. I, and most dancers that I know, think that it is all good, it is all fun, and the only question is: What is appropriate to a specific partner, a specific dance floor and a specific set of circumstances. And often it is indeed close embrace. Cheers D. David Thorn _ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Will close embrace go the way of the dinosaur?
-Original Message- From: David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tango-l tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Will close embrace go the way of the dinosaur? All of the decent nuevo dancers that I know are entirely capable of dancing close embrace, often do dance close embrace, and in fact may change embrace a number of times during a song to incorporate various degrees of light. If they are changing the embrace during a tango, they are not dancing 'close embrace'. They are dancing a 'flexible embrace'. The feeling is completely different. The close embrace is a close connection because it is kept throughout the dance. It is not something to be thrown away for a turn (or maybe a boleo). Although I am sure that they do exist, I personally know no, zero, nuevo dancers who think that they should not be proficient at all forms of dancing to tango music. Is there a bridge in Brooklyn you want to sell me? Most of the nuevo dancers I've seen are too busy thinking about their steps to listen the the music. Why else do they dance to music without rhythm? For example, 'Oblivion' is a beautiful tango for listening, but there's no rhythm to dance to. It is possible that your perception of a dichotomy between the open and close embrace dancers is a boggyman, spawned by a vocal minority who seem to believe that nuevo is a bastard child of the one true tango. Bastard child of the one true tango? Now why didn't this vocal minority have the cleverness to think of that one? Mel ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] So what is an OPEN mean?
Jack Dylan wrote -- Astrid, These concepts are only of any value to the man, as leader; they have no relevance to the lady, as follower. So don't worry your pretty little head about it :-)) Oooh, are you in deep shxx, at least if any of the women you want to dance with are on tango-l. And putting smileys after your message doesn't make it into a joke. I hope you don't pat your partners on the head and say Good girl! He also wrote -- The great thing about Naveira's terminology is that the lady's step is determined by her position relative to the man. For example; if the lady steps LF backward on the man's right side, this would be a LF back cross. This means, for example, that the man could lead her directly into a Back Ocho or a Giro to Left, both of which incorporate a LF back cross. But if the lady stepped LF backward on the man's left side, this would be a LF open step. This means, again for example, that the man could lead her directly into a Giro to Right, which incorprates a LF open step. He couldn't lead her directly into an Ocho without an intermediate step. From my perspective as a professional systems engineer, with well over a dozen years experience working for NASA and Boeing deconstructing systems (including human systems) much more complex than than the Naveira/Salas effort, I consider the Naveira/Salas terminology poorly thought out. There's a whole list of requirements for good terminology resulting from such system analyses. One of them is that labels have invariant meanings. Labels that change the way you decribe is a no-no. Perhaps the problem is that we're using English translations. Maybe the Spanish terms are instantly crystal clear to the average Spanish speaker. So maybe you can give us a simple explanation of just what open and closed mean. Larry de Los Angeles Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN a summer spa getaway! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/JKFkuJNzuHgFThcnVKzGYAVA5JUNGPqfc82p7FQ29NuJvZ1E0dzi4C/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Changes of direction
David, A Change of Direction, as the term now seems to be commonly used, includes a change in the direction of a Giro. A LF Front Cross is part of a Giro to Left [CCW]. If you the lead the lady to a RF Back [Open] Step this is still part of a Giro to Left as is shown by the fact that the lady pivotted CCW. As the direction of the turn hasn't changed, it isn't a Change of Direction In the example I gave - Left foot front cross to right foot back cross, the pivot would be to right [CW] and the direction of the turn changes from CCW to CW. In this type of terminology, it really makes no difference whether the step is a RF Open Backstep and a RF Open Sidestep. They're both just a RF Open Step. Jack - Original Message From: David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a little confused. I lead quite a number of other things that I think of as changes of direction. For Example: Left Front Cross (now pivot follow 180 deg CCW on left foot) to Right Back (Open). Backstep, not Sidestep. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
