[Tango-L] Javier Rodriguez, Andrea Misse in Istanbul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peZcXUc7c5M I try to not post 'performances' unless there is something really remarkable about them. We are all used to seeing this couple doing great stuff and maybe a little jaded by that. But let's take another look at them..wow, what a pair..he is, of course, a phenomenom and she is really able to take advantage of the ride...to the stars, Alice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peZcXUc7c5M ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
Pablo Rodriguez Noelia Hurtado show in Zagreb Ok..this is a different Rodriguez...very different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClugH5aEvUM wow, I don't know where to begin...the music is traditional. The moves are traditional too...but the posture! and execution! the embrace is great, imo. but the shoulders and torsos are doing stuff that I was taught NOT to do in both traditional and Nuevo.. then again, look at the results..a serpentine connection that is out of this world...does that make it fantasy?? The guy is superb...does he have a youthfull mental computer that dissects all of the co ordinates before they arrive?...he is amazing! The woman..another youthful phenomena, wow!... look at the kicks I wouldn't want to be near that rotating shredder but how does she do it? This couple is to be noted..they are something else..I personally hope that this doesn't catch on...I couldn't do it and I wouldn't want to be on a social dancefloor where it is danced..but gee one can't help but be amazed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClugH5aEvUM ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
My, Mario, you are too easily impressed. His arm thing is something I'd attribute to personal style. It's a shame when young people sacrifice elegance for the sake of steps, which is what this couple is doing. The head positions are terrible, and it wouldn't take much to fix it. A talented couple, but not one I'd care to have as a role model for my community. Perhaps in Zagreb they don't have many options. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pablo Rodriguez Noelia Hurtado show in Zagreb Ok..this is a different Rodriguez...very different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClugH5aEvUM wow, I don't know where to begin...the music is traditional. The moves are traditional too...but the posture! and execution! the embrace is great, imo. but the shoulders and torsos are doing stuff that I was taught NOT to do in both traditional and Nuevo.. then again, look at the results..a serpentine connection that is out of this world...does that make it fantasy?? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
Of course, elegance, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally find them elegant, and I find many of the dancers who are reputed to be elegant looking stiff. So, it's all a matter of personal preference and style. Trini, I find your tone condescending. Sorin my photography site: http://www.bostonphotographs.com my milonga review site: http://www.milongareview.com blog: http://sorinsblog.blogspot.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My, Mario, you are too easily impressed. His arm thing is something I'd attribute to personal style. It's a shame when young people sacrifice elegance for the sake of steps, which is what this couple is doing. The head positions are terrible, and it wouldn't take much to fix it. A talented couple, but not one I'd care to have as a role model for my community. Perhaps in Zagreb they don't have many options. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
Trini texted: It's a shame when young people sacrifice elegance for the sake of steps, which is what this couple is doing. Sorin scribet: Of course, elegance, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yes, I guess elegance is in the eye of the beholder. Like when a man wears a polyester leisure suit with the shirt color open over his jacket collar - that might be sport elegante for some. But even allowing for taste, I think that there are probably some common principles of elegance in tango dancing. Otherwise, why would people use the word? I would suggest that elegance in tango dancing implies . Upright posture - not stooping or looking at the floor . Graceful movement, flowing - not jerky or rough . Composure, dignity - not falling or stumbling or losing control Fred Astair is elegant. Fred Flintstone is not. Elegance seems to be one of the traditional values of Argentine tango dancers. I tend to agree with Trini's comment, and feel that elegance is not a privileged value among many of younger dancers. Has anyone ever heard Chicho, or Fabian Salas, or Pablo Inza, or Sebastian Arce talk about the importance of elegance? Or heard them say anything like no matter what, don't ever sacrifice your elegance to achieve a move? ... As for Pablo Rodriguez's left arm - if that's the one we are talking about - clearly this is a fad, and not a personal idiosyncracy. It's one of those abrazo viruses spreading everywhere. I suspect that it's more than imitation and people are actually teaching it. Cherie Magnus called it hand on a plate in her blog (http://tinyurl.com/564rs5). It produces a hand position that is, in my opinion, aesthetically disagreeable. I think it is a weak line for the man. For the woman it looks fine. It may score points in mechanics but not in beauty (IMO). BTW - I agree that Pablo Noelia are wonderful dancers. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
I guess most people would agree with Sorin, that good tango is in the eyes of the beholder. But I can't agree. No more than good wine is in the taste buds of the beholder. In my opinion, it's got nothing to do with which I prefer. I might have a penchant for crappy wine and cheap fish and chips. Doesn't make it good cuisine. From my limited experience, tango seems to increasingly lack a clear identity and a corresponding benchmark for assessment. I'm incredulous at the enormous variation of opinion on core matters, emanating from this list. A list which I suspect, harbors the intelligencia of Tango. Maybe I'll eventually come around to accepting the mantra I think it. I believe it. It is so. Anton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sorin Varzaru Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 9:46 AM To: Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out! Of course, elegance, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally find them elegant, and I find many of the dancers who are reputed to be elegant looking stiff. So, it's all a matter of personal preference and style. Trini, I find your tone condescending. Sorin my photography site: http://www.bostonphotographs.com my milonga review site: http://www.milongareview.com blog: http://sorinsblog.blogspot.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] The closest-to-perfect tango couple
Boy, you guys are tough! The performance by Pablo Rodriguez Noelia Hurtado in Zagreb down-thumbed because of their arm and head positions. Whew! Glad there are no videos of ME dancing. I wonder. Are there ANY couples these critics consider near perfect? What about the rest of you? Who would you say comes the closest to your ideal? And how about a video link and a comment or two about the dancing so the rest of us will know what you are referring to? Larry de Los Angeles http://shapechangers.wordpress.com Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbttno07G2EUzkqqtD98hcTli9Dkyg3doVuZ0iSjps12zSaHY/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The closest-to-perfect tango couple
I don't think it's a question of who is near perfect. It's looking at the video and writing if you like the style. Some people are fixated on figures. Some people focus more on technique. It reminds me when I visited an art museum that had modern art. A blank canvass in a frame or what looks like paint thrown onto a canvass is art to some. This list will never agree on a perfect tango or best couple. The problem is how we express ourselves on the list. I didn't care for the performance. Pablo's arm looked like he was stirring something. For me, it detracts from his frame. To somebody else, frame isn't important. I like the Detlef and Melinda videos. For me, they do NOTHING but do it so well! I'm sure some don't like watching because there are no valcaldas, colgaldas, or something else. It's a question of preference. Our preferences mirror the teachers we like. My teacher focused on axis, frame, posture, and balance for eight years of weekly private lessons. At times, it felt like I was in the Tango Marine Corps. So of course, my evaluation of any video is based on my training. Michael Ditkoff Washington, DC Have to sign up for the Atlanta Tango Festival then going to BA for the first time in April - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tango-L@mit.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: [Tango-L] The closest-to-perfect tango couple Boy, you guys are tough! The performance by Pablo Rodriguez Noelia Hurtado in Zagreb down-thumbed because of their arm and head positions. Whew! Glad there are no videos of ME dancing. I wonder. Are there ANY couples these critics consider near perfect? What about the rest of you? Who would you say comes the closest to your ideal? And how about a video link and a comment or two about the dancing so the rest of us will know what you are referring to? Larry de Los Angeles ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
Anton Stanley wrote: I guess most people would agree with Sorin, that good tango is in the eyes of the beholder. But I can't agree. No more than good wine is in the taste buds of the beholder. In my opinion, it's got nothing to do with which I prefer. I might have a penchant for crappy wine and cheap fish and chips. Doesn't make it good cuisine. From my limited experience, tango seems to increasingly lack a clear identity and a corresponding benchmark for assessment. If you want benchmarks for assessment, go do International Ballroom! They've got plenty. Argentine Tango is a social dance, with no ruling body to define and control it. As such, it is free to adapt to changing preferences of the people who dance it. There will always be variation and disagreement, as any perusal of the discussions about styles shows. There have always been such differences, there will always be such differences. Consider that your experience of an increasing lack of identity may simply be due to a wider experience of the existing variation and discussion that is out there. I'm incredulous at the enormous variation of opinion on core matters, emanating from this list. A list which I suspect, harbors the intelligencia of Tango. Don't overrate this list. It's a microcosm of the Tango world Myk in Canberra ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Serpentine youth in Zagreb..look out!
Myk I understand your point in the below comment. But please guide me to someone who can improve my tango dancing. And why their method of defining tango would be any clearer than yours. Anton If you want benchmarks for assessment, go do International Ballroom! They've got plenty. Argentine Tango is a social dance, with no ruling body to define and control it. As such, it is free to adapt to changing preferences of the people who dance it. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
