[Tango-L] Milongas en Buenos Aires

2008-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles wrote - Last time I was [in Buenos Aires] (eight months 
ago) I noticed that crowds and styles varied from night to night, even 
at the same location, according to who was the DJ/sponsor.
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Excellent point.

The same location often hosts several different milongas, each with a 
different set of organizers and DJs.  Each milonga draws different 
crowds, who also differ according to whether the milonga is held on 
weekdays or weekends.

An example of a location is Salon Canning.  It is in the SOHO area of 
Palermo, which is two-three miles west and north of the downtown area 
of the city of Buenos Aires, a 10-mile wide roughly octagonal part of 
the BsAs megaplex.  SOHO is an arty mini-barrio with lots of 
restaurants and small shops.  Canning is also within one to two blocks 
of two other milonga locations (Club Villa Malcolm, Asociacion Armenia) 
and eight blocks from Club Fulgor.

Canning has a long history and was recently renovated.  It is large, 
has a high ceiling (good for dissipating cigarette smoke), a beautiful 
floor, a big bar and snack area that (I believe) can deliver a full 
meal, and beautiful photos on the wall, one a very large mural.

Here are some pictures and a video that showcases Canning.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dedonna/295837774/ - shot including mural
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dedonna/295837536/ - shot of bar
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aladorada/29008690/in/photostream/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzh-accjq1M 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRnzRXNXgJk

Canning hosts two milongas: A Puro Tango (three nights a week) and 
Parakultural (four).  Even though the last has the same organizers, the 
milongas are not identical.  Parakultural Mina, for instance, often has 
live bands such as Color Tango


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[Tango-L] Milongas of Buenos Aires - 2

2008-06-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Several people have emailed me asking for the names of the milongas I 
went to.  It was several years ago; I don't remember. The curious might 
look at my writing web page for some specifics.  It has a link to a 
diary of my visit, written when I got back home, and expanded from 
daily posts to TANGO-L. 

The diary does not include all my experiences. For instance, since I 
was in the Hotel Bristol only a block away from Confiteria Ideal I 
sometimes stopped by there two or three times a day for various 
reasons, such as to meet someone. (Ideal is open every day of the week. 
And I highly recommend el Bristol. It's inexpensive, centrally located, 
and recently renovated to a high standard.)

http://www.hotelbristol.com.ar/english/home.htm

I also did not mention the non-tango dance places I went to, such as 
the night-club with a goth-looking crowd out front. Which I found out 
when I got inside was for gays of both sexes looking to hook up. Before 
I could escape two French women asked me to sit with them to ask me 
about Los Angeles, where they were going next.

http://larrydla.home.att.net/writing.html

_EXCERPTS FROM TANGO DIARY_
I open the window and look out. The tops of buildings show even less 
care than their fronts. The people, however, bely that overall 
impression. The economy may be depressed, but the people do not seem to 
be. This Sunday afternoon they are out in the streets, strolling, busy, 
seemingly happy and full of energy. They are all ages and sexes, 
casually but often very nicely dressed. Perhaps Paris was very like 
this a few years after WW2.

The bed is comfortable. After settling in I crash, leaving the window 
open for a cool, light breeze. When I wake at 3:00 in the afternoon I 
feel amazingly good. I clean up, dress, go downstairs, excited at my 
first free moments in Buenos Aires. I put my valuables in the safe at 
the lobby then go outside. There is sun coming through the clouds and 
the temperature is perfect. Just walking outside onto the sidewalk is 
thrilling. I am here!

Across the street is a little convenience store. I buy just a snack and 
a drink, though I am very hungry. I am eager to see the city. I go a 
half block East, walk North on Nueve de Julio. This street is so wide 
(20 or more lanes, a full city block in width) that it is like walking 
in a canyon. The cool breeze rushes down 9 de Julio, ruffles my hair, 
bathes my face, just as it would in a desert canyon.

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Re: [Tango-L] Milongas of Buenos Aires - 2

2008-06-04 Thread Christian Lüthen
Larry de Los Angeles wrote to Tango-L:
 Several people have emailed me asking for the names of the milongas I 
 went to.  It was several years ago; I don't remember. 

Those who are *really* interested might try to search the Tango-L archives.
From what I remember from those postings to Tango-L you also kept us very well 
informed about which McDonalds was open at what time of the night before you 
managed to get to your first milonga on day three or so. It was quite an 
amazing read, I have to admit =;-o.

Christian

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Re: [Tango-L] Milongas of Buenos Aires - 2

2008-06-04 Thread Astrid
The first one or two postings expressed your surprise at how your body felt 
after a long overseas flight (hellooo?). The first 3 of them dealt with how 
you kept changing hotels night after night, trying to find one where people 
did not smoke, and how you locked yourself into your room and then smoke 
came in from under your door and you tried to tape it shut and so on. And 
then you finally got a milonga or two and reported how the portenas looked 
right through you, noone danced with you and you were quite happy to 
discover some Anerican tourist women to spend the time with.
And then you claimed a copyright for those reports in case anyone wanted to 
steal that valuable information

Christian:
Larry de Los Angeles wrote to Tango-L:
 Several people have emailed me asking for the names of the milongas I
 went to.  It was several years ago; I don't remember.

Those who are *really* interested might try to search the Tango-L archives.
From what I remember from those postings to Tango-L you also kept us very 
well informed about which McDonalds was open at what time of the night 
before you managed to get to your first milonga on day three or so. It was 
quite an amazing read, I have to admit =;-o.

Christian

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Re: [Tango-L] Milongas of Buenos Aires - 2

2008-06-04 Thread Christian Lüthen
to clarify:
astrid is refering to larry's old postings on tango-l.

I never posted my initial experiences in bs.as. to tango-l!
christian


astrid wrote:
 The first one or two postings expressed your surprise at how your body
 felt 
 after a long overseas flight (hellooo?). The first 3 of them dealt with
 how 
 you kept changing hotels night after night, trying to find one where
 people 
 did not smoke, and how you locked yourself into your room and then smoke 
 came in from under your door and you tried to tape it shut and so on. And 
 then you finally got a milonga or two and reported how the portenas looked
 right through you, noone danced with you and you were quite happy to 
 discover some Anerican tourist women to spend the time with.
 And then you claimed a copyright for those reports in case anyone wanted
 to 
 steal that valuable information
 
 Christian:
 Larry de Los Angeles wrote to Tango-L:
  Several people have emailed me asking for the names of the milongas I
  went to.  It was several years ago; I don't remember.
 
 Those who are *really* interested might try to search the Tango-L
 archives.
 From what I remember from those postings to Tango-L you also kept us
 very 
 well informed about which McDonalds was open at what time of the night 
 before you managed to get to your first milonga on day three or so. It
 was 
 quite an amazing read, I have to admit =;-o.
 
 Christian
 
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[Tango-L] Milongas of Buenos Aires

2008-06-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A useful guide to tango in Greater Buenos Aires is 
maintained by the government.  Among many web pages on the 
site is one that lets you find milongas for any day and 
locale.  Clicking on a milonga name brings up a window with 
info about it, including a link to the milonga's web page 
if it has one.

http://www.tangodata.gov.ar/ingles/home_milongas.php
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To hear some travelers to Buenos Aires every milonga is 
alike.  It's easy to understand why.  It's natural for 
people to seek out and continue going to just those 
milongas which suit their tastes best.

But when I went I was looking for as much variety as I 
could find, since my personal situation makes travel 
difficult and I might not ever be able to go back to BsAs.  
I went to noon-time practicas, matinee milongas, and late-
night milongas.

Each practica or milonga was as individual as their 
organizers and their regulars and seemed to have its own 
special atmosphere.  On any weekend night in Greater BsAs 
there are more than forty milongas to choose from, so some 
organizers may work to make their milongas stand out from 
the crowd.

I went to three young-peoples milongas, and each of them 
was very different.  One was a night club for twenty-
somethings with several hundred people packed together and 
the bars doing very good business.  Half the time a 
Beatles-look-alike band played only Beatles music, the 
other half a DJ played traditional tangos but without 
cortinas.  A second was for late-teens and early twenties 
and had a traditional milonga organization.  This seemed to 
be more social- than dance-oriented.

The third was a milonga for teens, some of whom seemed as 
young as thirteen and the oldest barely eighteen.  The 
dancers there seemed very serious about tango, had lots of 
training in both traditional and show tango, and did 
advanced figures very compactly and within the flow.  I had 
the weird feeling that the dancers at this third milonga 
were all grownups despite being the youngest of them all.

I also went to the most expensive milonga I could find.  
Everyone there seemed to be professionals and dressed 
fashionably and well.  They also seemed to be the tallest 
dancers in the city!  I saw a few men with short haircuts 
who acted as if they were movers and shakers, possibly 
government or military officials or business executives.  
Each was with a trophy wife half his age.  Or, more likely, 
a high-class hooker.  Each had that look that I'd seen so 
often while a military policeman - I've seen everything 
and I am not impressed.

I was presented with a hostess, very beautiful and well-
dressed, who the host said was an expert swing dancer.  
(They were playing a swing set.)  I told her I was sorry 
but I only danced tango.  Speaking of swing, one older man 
in a beautiful grey suit and short white beard danced it 
(and tango) so elegantly and with such enjoyment that I 
wondered if he was a teacher or former professional or 
milonguero de swing.

I also went to many of what one talky cab-driver called 
old peoples' milongas though to me the age distributions 
seemed to be all over the place.  They were in all sorts of 
venues.  These included a former gymnasium with basketball 
boundary markings on the floor, a thirties-style former 
night club, a modern night club, a confiteria, and a large 
convention hall.  Some of these milongas had several 
hundred guests.  One crowd I estimated at well over a 
thousand.

Several of the milongas had tandas of other kinds of 
dancing interspersed among tango tandas.  These included 
tropical: cumbias, merengues, rumbas, and others but no 
salsa.  (Salsa and cumbia occupy almost the same dance 
space, and salsa is popular enough in Argentina to have its 
own salsa-only clubs.)  Also swing dancing.

We tend to think of swing as an American dance and say only 
Americans can really dance it.  But swing has long been 
popular in Argentina and some of the best swing dancing 
I've ever seen were in Argentine milongas.  (I began 
dancing rock-n-roll as a teenager and have done other kinds 
of swing.)  The spirit of any dance refuses to be prisoned 
within national boundaries.  That's certainly true of the 
wild exuberance of swing, which the Nazis suppressed in 
Germany in the run-up to WW II.

What were your experiences with Argentine milongas?  How 
far from the stereotypes did some vary?  What practices 
seemed common?

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