Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
I agree. Hands maybe helpful for executing very complicated figures in open embrace but in salon, they quickly throw you out of your tango trance. Deby Novitz wrote: The embrace is just that...an embrace. With good posture the force of the torso moves the body smoothly and naturally through the dance. With hands it cannot be smooth. AND with a bad lead I feel like I am being worked like a slot machine. Horrbyy. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
With hands it cannot be smooth. AND with a bad lead I feel like I am being worked like a slot machine. Horrbyy. I think a follower's input will far out-weigh a leader's input on THIS subject! I wouldn't want my follower to feel horrbyy about MY lead! ;o) My example, in my previous post, was just an exercise. Thank you, Deby. (Watch out for the leaders with a pocket full of quarters!) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
FWIW, my belief is that the physical aspect of the lead comes through the physical connection. Thus, in close embrace, since the physical connection is via the torso, hands and arms are not needed and perhaps not desirable. In open embrace, the physical connection is via the hands and arms. Thus the physical aspect of the lead can totally come from WELL EXECUTED lead with the arms or hands. The problem here is well executed. Using a body lead insures that the lead is asking the follow to move in a manner consistent with how the lead's body is moving. It almost automatically eliminates rough, jerky, abrupt movements. For a lead to have adequate sensitivity and control to lead as smoothly with hands or arms requires a lot of skill. Perhaps more than most, but certainly not all, possess. It is also the case that leading with the hands need not include a constant guiding of every motion of the follow any more than a torso lead includes constant guiding. That again is a skill issue, and not an absolute. Just M2CW Cheers D. David Thorn _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
I'm with Deby. Most leads who use hands either over-lead or under-lead. All the twisting and pushing of my hand does not make my feet move. But the worst of all is when their body says one thing and their hands say another. I have learned to just stop until they figure out where they want me to be. And if they 'force' lead with their hands, I take a stroll to my table. Nancy --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Deby Novitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deby Novitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Leading with hands To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 1:20 PM I am a follower and I will tell you why I prefer the torso to hands. Leads with hands are annoying. I can be dancing with a man who has nice posture and a good sense of music and then there are those hands guiding me through the dance. Leading with the torso at least for me is a much more natural progression of the movement. It does not interfere with a walk, giro, or ocho. When hands are used no matter how good the lead is, it is never smooth. The embrace is just that...an embrace. With good posture the force of the torso moves the body smoothly and naturally through the dance. With hands it cannot be smooth. AND with a bad lead I feel like I am being worked like a slot machine. Horrbyy. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
NANCY wrote: But the worst of all is when their body says one thing and their hands say another. I have learned to just stop until they figure out where they want me to be. yes, me too. Sometimes it surprises them, but they seem to understand and it gives them a chance to learn. If nothing at all works from there, I kind of quietly ocho back to square one to help them untangle their mess. And if they 'force' lead with their hands, I take a stroll to my table. good one! Not that they necessarily get the message. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
NANCY wrote: But the worst of all is when their body says one thing and their hands say another. I have learned to just stop until they figure out where they want me to be. yes, me too. Sometimes it surprises them, but they seem to understand and it gives them a chance to learn. If nothing at all works from there, I kind of quietly ocho back to square one to help them untangle their mess. And if they 'force' lead with their hands, I take a stroll to my table. good one! Not that they necessarily get them message. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
Let's be more specific. It's not the use of the hands that's the problem. It's the TIMING. It's when the man is impatient and doesn't respect my timing that I feel that he's pushing or pulling me, even if he is trying not to use his hands. Imagine a hoola-hoop being placed around the woman, if the man tugs on the hoop before she is ready to move, she's going to feel pulled. If the man tugs on the hoop when she is moving, she's not going to feel pulled. So it's not the use of the hands. It's about listening to your partner and sensing when she is ready to move. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Fri, 8/1/08, David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands To: tango-l tango-l@mit.edu Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 1:41 PM FWIW, my belief is that the physical aspect of the lead comes through the physical connection. Thus, in close embrace, since the physical connection is via the torso, hands and arms are not needed and perhaps not desirable. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
