Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Marek, On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:30:17 +0100 GMT (24/12/2008, 08:30 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: MM as I expect, there will be minor version updates yet, but AFAIK MM IMAP is no the way. ^^? Just out of curiosity: Did you mean to write not the way, or now the way? -- Cheers, Thomas. Bahnuebergaenge sind die haertesten Drogen. Ein Zug und man ist weg. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Jens, On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:26:02 +0100 GMT (24/12/2008, 20:26 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: JF And maybe it is time to think about, if you could split The_Bat into JF modules - if you do not need calender, could you choose to unselect it JF in the install? I'm all in favour of plug-ins. For different reasons. -- Cheers, Thomas. I'm not cheap, but I am on special this week. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Thomas Fernandez« · 2008-12-25 · 17:10 h (CET)] Moin, Thomas! MM as I expect, there will be minor version updates yet, but AFAIK MM IMAP is no the way. ^^? Just out of curiosity: Did you mean to write not the way, or now the way? I guess IMAP is on the way. :-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.5.1 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Thursday, December 25, 2008, Volker Ahrendt wrote: MM as I expect, there will be minor version updates yet, but AFAIK MM IMAP is no the way. ^^? Just out of curiosity: Did you mean to write not the way, or now the way? I guess IMAP is on the way. thank You Volker ;-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008 at 02:28, Marek Mikus wrote: RSS is very popular for home users and in many reviews I saw, internal RSS support is con for The Bat!. But I agree, Calendar should be focused before There are a lot of RSS Readers which are based on Java and availiable on many platforms - there for. I am used to dedicated applications for each special purpose, but if this is unavoidable to be a target for The_Bat, i would do IMAP and calendar first - of course. And maybe it is time to think about, if you could split The_Bat into modules - if you do not need calender, could you choose to unselect it in the install? Most the best, if this could be feasible, is to make lightning be able to plug into The_Bat... Because nearly all you need from a calendar is already built in there. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.5 AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Wednesday, December 24, 2008, Jens Franik wrote: There are a lot of RSS Readers which are based on Java and availiable on many platforms - there for. maybe, but many users do like Java-based apps, I must say, I do not like them too. And maybe it is time to think about, if you could split The_Bat into modules - if you do not need calender, could you choose to unselect it in the install? this depends on TB's core and API, I am not sure, if can be calendar implemented as plugin. Most the best, if this could be feasible, is to make lightning be able to plug into The_Bat... Because nearly all you need from a calendar is already built in there. sheduller is not calendar and this can not be used for anything except starting features in set date and time. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.5.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Wednesday, December 24, 2008, Peter Ouwehand wrote: MM I do not expect, such feature will be yet implemented, there are MM more important features like calendar or internal RSS support. Uh? What is important about internal RSS support? Please first supply IMAP and calendar support (not proprietary, but generic). as we already know and was confirmed manytimes, IMAP will be focused now after 4.1 release. RSS is very popular for home users and in many reviews I saw, internal RSS support is con for The Bat!. But I agree, Calendar should be focused before -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.5.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Wednesday, December 24, 2008, Peter Ouwehand wrote: MM developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 MM release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay MM tuned. Assuming RIT wrote after 4.1 release, then we still don't know much. Could be version zillion.something. Roadmap? as I expect, there will be minor version updates yet, but AFAIK IMAP is no the way. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.5.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-17 · 03:01 h (CET)] Moin, Arjan! We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. Weeks (months?) ago we already had this discussion and it does not make any sense to renew it! Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Dear Rick, -- Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008, 05:30:01: Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. What can I say? I have become a Ritlabs automaton. They say PAY! and my hand proceeds jerkily towards my wallet. They issue a new version and I yet again craft an up and running prose complete with all my system information for their perusal. My free will is gone. [sigh] No you have become a BAT!holic. UR is just the same RITual as, let's say, skoal with a good glass of wine. Not all who skoal have good knowledge on wine nor are good 'tester' - ähm - 'taster'. Some only consume too much - that's why we call them BAT!holic - ups - I mean Alcoholic. Alcoholics can't taste nor test unless there is a Wine show (something like the Beta ML) where all gather and test. Once you decided to get a BAT!ttle that you will carry home you have to pay for. Just my simple 2c ;) -- best regards | Using The Bat! 4.0.38 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:57:31 +0100, Jens Franik wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. Marek, i tried to use IMAP, but it did not work recently. If this is to become true in a near future, i might switch to IMAP for some Accounts to have the Mails on the Server. And of course a lot of people here which were waiting some long years would be very happy... In our country there is a saying which translates roughly as follows: a donkey doesn't hurt itself on the same stone twice. That's exactly the reason why I take this new implementation announcement with a pinch of salt. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: Registration - v4.x)
Hallo Arjan, On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:41:49 +0100GMT (17-12-2008, 11:41, where I live), you wrote: ADG Yes, Bat!holicism is like religion. Pray with me: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Arjan. ' This topic has gone way off / too long / too heated and I am forced to pronounce it dead in fairness to the purpose and other members of the list. Please take it off-list or to TBOT. For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Take a quiet vacation and it hits the fan. Law of Moderators pgpv7PgE2EL9c.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 20:43 schrieb Hans Stam: Pegasus Mail has a very nice, FREE, 4.51 version. The internation Version is 4.41 Pegasus sometimes ago has been a very sober Mailclient. I think the main difference is that professional Users would like to have the features of The-Bat and basic End Users may use Pegassus. Clyton To better meet our customer's needs, Gammadyne offers two types of licenses: a Shareware License and a Retail License. Shareware License The user is entitled to 5 activations. Once activated, the software will remain activated indefinitely unless it is moved to a different drive, or if a major upgrade (x.0) is installed. Minor upgrades are free. Activations are not restricted to one machine. Retail License The user is entitled to download the fully-enabled Retail Edition, which has no shareware limitations and does not use product activation. The user also receives 3 activations, which can be used to activate future upgrades of the Shareware Edition. Unlike the Shareware License, the Retail License is restricted to one machine. The two editions are identical in features and functionality. Clyton Shareware License $25 Clyton Retail License $35 or Pocomail # Barca (Calendar, Email, Planner) $59.95 # Barca Pro (Shared Calendars, Email, Planner) $79.95 # PocoMail (Email) $39.95 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 21:08 schrieb Marek Mikus: IMAP implementation? developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. Marek, i tried to use IMAP, but it did not work recently. If this is to become true in a near future, i might switch to IMAP for some Accounts to have the Mails on the Server. And of course a lot of people here which were waiting some long years would be very happy... -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:06:24 +0200, Eddie Castelli wrote: What can I say? I have become a Ritlabs automaton. [] No you have become a BAT!holic. UR is just the same RITual as, let's say, skoal with a good glass of wine. [] Yes, Bat!holicism is like religion. Pray with me: Hail Ritlabs, full of grace, The Lord is with thee Blessed art thou among companies and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, The Beta!. Holy Ritlabs, Mother of The Beta!, pray for us users now and at the hour of our death. Amen Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 20:58 schrieb Hans Stam: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. You never tried out Blogbridge and RSSowl - this is what i think of a suitable RSS Reader... -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 um 11:41 schrieb Arjan de Groot: Yes, Bat!holicism is like religion. Pray with me You SHOULD stop now, this is going to be nearly blasphemy. Could the Moderators please think about some actions? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Monday evening, Volker wrote something like this: 4. 0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: [-] (#0003362) The password of an account-group cannot be removed [-] another serious UTF-7 encoding bug in IMAP folder names which might cause IMAP unusable under Windows configured for multibyte-character as a default language (e.g. Chinese) [-] (#0007358) Newly created Folders could lost their data when they were moved outside parent folders and then renamed [-] NTLM authentication didn't work [-] Fixed a serious bug with state-dependent encodings like UTF-7 - last character could have been lost. [-] Fixed an AV when importing a corrupt address book [-] The Bat! failed to generate an RSA key pair with eToken Pro 4.20B [-] (#0006994) Registry entries are not removed completely during uninstall [-] bug in ImapUTF7Encode [-] (#0007297) Folder commands were not properly updated when the active folder changed while the main window was hidden [-] (#0007372) Error List index out of bounds (20) when doing drag-and-drop with message list tabs created by Quick Search [-] (#0007307) Windows/HTML editor doesn't support Insert/Overwrite, but the corresponding status bar element wasn't hidden. [-] (#0005868) Remind Later Textual Error [-] (#0007390) Memo box is in Address Book Group has fixed size even dialog is resizable [-] (#0006491) String: Orphan filters not translatable [-] (#0006488) Color names in in the color section combo-boxes were not translatable [-] When importing from Microsoft Office Outlook contacts, and a contact did contain a distribution list, The Bat! could not continue importing addresses. [-] (#0006335) When a Quick Search filter tab already existed, it was not focused by searching for the same text [-] (#0007339) Window state is always Maximized when starting with /minimize and restoring from tray [-] (#0007303) Size and position of Account properties dialog is not saved [-] (#0006329) Message list tabs were not restored from backup [-] (#0002495) Inconsistency when navigating between tabs using a keyboard [-] (#0001104) Account is not selected, if the user logs as a different The Bat! account [-] (#0005874) Tabs could be too narrow, e.g. the All tab in the folder tree and the message list. [-] (#0007266) Inconsistencies with default mailto: account -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? Well, interface got a slight makeover, hasn't it? Makes it a little harder to read and wastes a little more screen space than before, but it's change, isn't it? And you saying that nothing at all had changed... Now, really. And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. To be frank, the new fee isn't even the core issue for me. I did pay for a new version of Outlook/Office after all, new versions of respectable programs are usually not free. While I can well live with that, I also expect something for it. I want to see the program progressing (as in: getting better, opposed to regressing, as in TheBat), and I need to be convinced that the developement team has their stuff together. What RIT has demonstrated around here the past few years is a joke. NO WAY! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, some to payed products. I'm the only one still using it around here, and that will cease too as soon as I've grown accustomed to the new surroundings in other programs. In the meantime there surely won't be a cent coming out of my own or, for that matter, my clients' pocket going even in the general direction of RIT. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de pgpa3t45aoAZj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? Years ago, I bought from Rhinosoft their excellent FTP-Server 'Serv-U'. In the price was one year upgrade guaranteed. (you can also choose for a 2-year upgrade guarantee, you've to pay more of course then). After that period was over, I had to decide, whether to renew my subscription or not. Of course, shortly after that, a new version was introduced. So I renewed. I did that till this very month, every year again. The program became better and better, got feutures I never used, older bugs disappeared, new bugs came, several old bugs remained. I had to save money now, so I decided not to renew again and moved to the Open source FTP-Server FileZilla. It has the same functionality, it misses some luxury which I don't need at all. This is just one of many similar examples, the worst might be Microsoft itself with those many new operation systems over the last ten years. You pay a lot of money for an extremely buggy OS and you pay again for a next new OS with a bit new functionality but with lots of old and new bugs. And that begging and praying for Servicepacks is going around the world every time. Linux isn't an alternative for me, it needs too many commandline shit for the things I need. So I'm tied to M$. My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet, which has TB's functionality. IMO it's the best emailclient available at the moment, nevertheless how many bugs and wishes there might be (and there are). Zimbra, Eudora and Mulberry as open source emailclients aren't at the level yet I wish and need. I feel tied to TD at the moent, so I renewed my subscription for 4.1. Maybe next time not anymore. It depends.. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 10:08 schrieb Gunivortus Goos: My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet Thats not true, i take a look at Thunderbird with Lightning and is has all basic Features which The_Bat has, at least with extensions. I did tell very often that they should maybe not make Graphical improvements, better make IMAP new and improve the Features like they sometimes do. My Customers, which i installed The_Bat and they did pay for the v1 v2 Versions are back or away to Outlook, Incredimail, Thunderbird. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Volker, Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:25:59 PM, you wrote: 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … I am not talking about pet peeves, but about bugs that make The Bat! unusable … Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:00:25 PM, you wrote: What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. I second that. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Sebastian Murawski« · 2008-12-16 · 09:17 h (CET)] Moin, Sebastian! 4. 0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: I think you got me wrong: All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4.0.39.39 *unusable*? Okay, you may say that you do not want to work with a Beta, so you do not have all these fixes with the latest release of 4.0.x, which is the 4.0.38. But I really cannot say that this version is absolutely unusable. No offense meant! :-) [-] (#0003362) The password of an account-group cannot be removed == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] another serious UTF-7 encoding bug in IMAP folder names which might cause IMAP unusable under Windows configured for multibyte-character as a default language (e.g. Chinese) == Fixed in 4.1.1.3: Okay this one is not fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, but this is maybe a showstopper only for Asian IMAP users of The Bat! [-] (#0007358) Newly created Folders could lost their data when they were moved outside parent folders and then renamed == Fixed in 4.0.39.31 [-] NTLM authentication didn't work == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] Fixed a serious bug with state-dependent encodings like UTF-7 - last character could have been lost. == Fixed in 4.0.39.35 [-] Fixed an AV when importing a corrupt address book == Fixed in 4.0.39.34 [-] The Bat! failed to generate an RSA key pair with eToken Pro 4.20B == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0006994) Registry entries are not removed completely during uninstall == Fixed in 4.0.39.39 [-] bug in ImapUTF7Encode == Fixed in 4.1.1.1: Okay this one is not fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, but this is maybe a showstopper only for Asian IMAP users of The Bat! (see above) [-] (#0007297) Folder commands were not properly updated when the active folder changed while the main window was hidden == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007372) Error List index out of bounds (20) when doing drag-and-drop with message list tabs created by Quick Search == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007307) Windows/HTML editor doesn't support Insert/Overwrite, but the corresponding status bar element wasn't hidden. == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0005868) Remind Later Textual Error == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007390) Memo box is in Address Book Group has fixed size even dialog is resizable == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0006491) String: Orphan filters not translatable == Fixed in 4.0.39.37 [-] (#0006488) Color names in in the color section combo-boxes were not translatable == Fixed in 4.0.39.37 [-] When importing from Microsoft Office Outlook contacts, and a contact did contain a distribution list, The Bat! could not continue importing addresses. == Fixed in 4.0.39.34 [-] (#0006335) When a Quick Search filter tab already existed, it was not focused by searching for the same text == Fixed in 4.0.39.31 [-] (#0007339) Window state is always Maximized when starting with /minimize and restoring from tray == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0007303) Size and position of Account properties dialog is not saved == Fixed in 4.0.39.29, but verify fail (no showstopper = minor bug) [-] (#0006329) Message list tabs were not restored from backup == Fixed in 4.0.39.31, but verify fail (no showstopper = minor bug) [-] (#0002495) Inconsistency when navigating between tabs using a keyboard == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0001104) Account is not selected, if the user logs as a different The Bat! account == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0005874) Tabs could be too narrow, e.g. the All tab in the folder tree and the message list. == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0007266) Inconsistencies with default mailto: account == Fixed in 4.0.39.30 Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Tuesday morning, Volker wrote something like this: Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: I think you got me wrong: All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4. 0.39.39 *unusable*? Okay, you may say that you do not want to work with a Beta, so you do not have all these fixes with the latest release of 4.0.x, which is the 4.0.38. But I really cannot say that this version is absolutely unusable. I not say that TB v4 even in Beta cycle is unusable. I only write that there is couple of bugs that are not fixed in FINAL version and in v4.0.x FINAL will be not fixed. RITs policy is ~ number UP, support DOWN ... In this case this is my opinion of course. What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Robert, What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. I second that. Isn't Google Maps good enough? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Jens, My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet Thats not true, i take a look at Thunderbird with Lightning and is has all basic Features which The_Bat has, Well, we disagree. No problem. :-) -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
NO WAY! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, Pegasus Mail has a very nice, FREE, 4.51 version. http://community.pmail.com/files/folders/11243/download.aspx As a registered user of The Bat! I read all the discussions here about pay or not pay for a new update, remember: Pegasus is free! I can also advise you to look at other paid programs, like: Clyton, http://gammadyne.com/eclient.htm or Pocomail, http://www.pocosystems.com/home/index.php?option=content; task=viewid=5Itemid=25 So, there is more then The Bat!-)) Hans some to payed products. I'm the only one still using it around here, and that will cease too as soon as I've grown accustomed to the new surroundings in other programs. In the meantime there surely won't be a cent coming out of my own or, for that matter, my clients' pocket going even in the general direction of RIT. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3694 (20081215) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( -- Mackley who tries every client mailreader for PC Windows ! Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. -- Mackley who tries every client mailreader for PC Windows ! Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3696 (20081216) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Hans Stam« · 2008-12-16 · 20:43 h (CET)] Moin, Hans! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, I can also advise you to look at other paid programs, like: Clyton, […] or Pocomail […] Why don't you recommend AK-Mail, which you are using yourself? ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Hans Stam wrote: Pegasus Mail has a very nice, FREE, 4.51 version. http://community.pmail.com/files/folders/11243/download.aspx As a registered user of The Bat! I read all the discussions here about pay or not pay for a new update, remember: Pegasus is free! guys, if is Tbird or Pegasus usable enough for You, than You probably do not need The Bat!, really. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Hans Stam wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Robert Tomanek wrote: Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Marek, who uses newsgroups today? I do. I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. Ehm... I still carry several very usefull newsgroups. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. I had to throw that away, it didn't work under Vista. So Forté Agent 4.1 is active here for the News. As for other mailclients.. from the time TB couldn't handle well HTML, I've still Incredimail blush. It's inactive since TB has a rather good functioning HTML, but it had given me for that time the opportunity to read my html papers and periodicals. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:58:10 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. Like someone else who just posted (Mackley?), I have tried every email client known to man (and more besides...). Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that PocoMail doesn't do a full job with IMAP - it only synchronizes with the Inbox, as I recall - at least as of a year or so ago. Bob Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:58:10 PM, you wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. ...which both could be implemented via plugins. I read and post usenet news using The Bat (though I am also user of Forte Agent and beta tester of it) I could live without RSS and truth to be told I don't get what RSS has to do with a mail client. SmartBat and Scheduler (and of course IMAP) should be developed more. SmartBat is quite handy but it could be much much better for keeping notes (for example note tree, categories etc). Scheduler could be also be much much better, in fact I would rather like the bat to replace outlook completely. Poco's Barca is on the right track but Barca is based on Pocomail and Pocomail is inferior. I would love Ritlabs to make a product like Barca... (Not necessary The Bat, it could be another program like The Bat Business edition...) -- George M. Menegakis Using The Bat v4.1.1.3 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Marek, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:07:03 PM, you wrote: who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. I do. As do many people. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. Agreed. And, this is not a priority item for me (but it would be nice anyway, some time in the future). -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Marek, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:08:18 PM, you wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. I will admit that I quite curious about this upcoming development! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Robert Tomanek wrote: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:07:03 PM, you wrote: who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. I do. As do many people. and for which purpose, if I can ask? BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. Agreed. And, this is not a priority item for me (but it would be nice anyway, some time in the future). I do not expect, such feature will be yet implemented, there are more important features like calendar or internal RSS support. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, at 21:08:18 [GMT +0100] (which was 21:08 where I live) Marek Mikus wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. I will, got my registration code 5 minutes ago ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! Natural Email System 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows Vista 6 0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 AntispamSniper for The Bat! 3.0.1.3 pgpvbk237ubj2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:58:10 PM, you wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. FYI, Pocomail is in full beta testing right now. The RSS feature works very well. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:58:10 PM, Hans Stam wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. My Swiss Army Knife has a corkscrew. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Volker, on Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:16:43 +0100GMT (16.12.2008, 11:16 +0100GMT here), you wrote: VA ... All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP VA and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. VA with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to VA pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any VA old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4.0.39.39 VA *unusable*? Not that I'm aware of. I'm using an older version too - I didn't find the time to participate in this cycle... :( If you are content with your version of The Bat!, keep it and be happy. There is no obligation to upgrade if you don't want to. I know people who work happily with TB! v2.x or even 1.x. All of them are excellent programs. :D -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v4.0.34 on WinXP, SP3, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, several newsgroups via MyGate OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 1024 MB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hallo Christian, I don't get the point why all the Beta Testers have to renew anything. Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? -- Gruß Roman __ Dipl.-Inform. Roman Mülchen Fakultät II Informatik, Wirtschafts- und Rechtswissenschaften Institut für Rechtswissenschaften C.v.O. Universität Oldenburg 26111 Oldenburg Tel.: (+49) 441 798 4092 Fax: (+49) 441 798 4136 E-Mail: roman.muelc...@uni-oldenburg.de Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hallo Christian, I don't get the point why all the Beta Testers have to renew anything. Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test -- Rick Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest. - Alexandre Dumas v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:47:01 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( And the last time I tried it, couldn't cope with hundreds of thousands of emails and search. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 4.0.38 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:47:01 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( And the last time I tried it, couldn't cope with hundreds of thousands of emails and search. I tried POco and it has a slick interface but if you use it for any length of time you will start running into walls ... things it can't do. -- Rick Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts. And we are never, ever the same. - Unknown v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote: Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. On the other hand I also believe that Ritlabs has already awarded the few people who have actually made genuinly valuable contribu- tions to the The Beta! development with free upgrades to future versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote: Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. On the other hand I also believe that Ritlabs has already awarded the few people who have actually made genuinly valuable contribu- tions to the The Beta! development with free upgrades to future versions. Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:13:32 -0500, Rick wrote: Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. What can I say? I have become a Ritlabs automaton. They say PAY! and my hand proceeds jerkily towards my wallet. They issue a new version and I yet again craft an up and running prose complete with all my system information for their perusal. My free will is gone. [sigh] -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore Commodore 64 Turbo 512k memory Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Marek, On 16-12-2008 21:08, you wrote in mid:46439853.20081216210...@ipex.cz: Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. Well, why did they not do that before? IMAP has been broken for years and I have upgraded twice on the promise of better IMAP. These promises have never been made good. There are still basic errors in IMAP and I am not paying for another version until these are fixed. I have lost my faith with RitLabs' ability to deliver on their promises. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.39.39 (BETA) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Registration - v4.x
Once again Ritlabs has done it again. This is the last straw and the last email i will send with TB! Very sad since i have used it (registered / licensed) since 1.x. But enough is enough! Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. NO WAY! -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams mailto:i...@grams-it.com Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Once again Ritlabs has done it again. This is the last straw and the last email i will send with TB! Very sad since i have used it (registered / licensed) since 1.x. But enough is enough! Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. NO WAY! Grow up! You are on a beta list. That means you are beta TESTING. That means bugs are to be EXPECTED. They have been VERY UPFRONT about the way the licensing was going to work. Either accept it and realize they are doing what they said they would do (and gave you a lot more while coming to this point!) Or go back a version, quit the beta list and wait until 4.1 is officially released -- Rick Necrophiliacs need love too! v4.1.1.3 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. If you think there is no significant change/improvement between 3.x and 4.x, then you don't need to upgrade. And if you don't need to upgrade, why then complain about upgrade fee? As Rick said, please grow up! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.3 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi MAU, Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:02:41 AM, you wrote: Hello Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. If you think there is no significant change/improvement between 3.x and 4.x, then you don't need to upgrade. And if you don't need to upgrade, why then complain about upgrade fee? As Rick said, please grow up! I agree that Christian went a bit overboard in his frustration, and I had questions about the upgrade myself (considering that I renewed my license in 21 November 2007, thinking it would be valid into version 4.1, and it wasn't - although that was clarified in the February 2008 website posting, which satisfies me). However, let's not be unkind to Christian or act as a parent voice, just accept that is where he is. Haven't we all lashed out in frustration at times? So Christian must be allowed the same ventilating, even if you and I think that it was unjustified. I am upgrading my registration myself, today, BTW. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.1 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi MAU, Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:02:41 AM, you wrote: Hello Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. If you think there is no significant change/improvement between 3.x and 4.x, then you don't need to upgrade. And if you don't need to upgrade, why then complain about upgrade fee? As Rick said, please grow up! I agree that Christian went a bit overboard in his frustration, and I had questions about the upgrade myself (considering that I renewed my license in 21 November 2007, thinking it would be valid into version 4.1, and it wasn't - although that was clarified in the February 2008 website posting, which satisfies me). However, let's not be unkind to Christian or act as a parent voice, just accept that is where he is. Haven't we all lashed out in frustration at times? So Christian must be allowed the same ventilating, even if you and I think that it was unjustified. I am upgrading my registration myself, today, BTW. Sure - but Ritlabs isn't filling their pockets and they have been very open about the upgrade policy for a long time And the product is still buggy? Uh ... YEAH! this is a beta list. 2 updates since yesterday's MSI release. If you don't want to work with bugs, don't play with beta releases. I whimper and do pouty face when certain things don't work but not on the beta list :)) -- Rick Dare we hope? v4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Christian Grams wrote: Once again Ritlabs has done it again. This is the last straw and the last email i will send with TB! Very sad since i have used it (registered / licensed) since 1.x. But enough is enough! Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. NO WAY! many apps have 1-year subscription and between 3.x and 4.x were 4 years, so I really do not understand You. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Bob, I agree that Christian went a bit overboard in his frustration, and I had questions about the upgrade myself (considering that I renewed my license in 21 November 2007, thinking it would be valid into version 4.1, and it wasn't - although that was clarified in the February 2008 website posting, which satisfies me). However, let's not be unkind to Christian or act as a parent voice, just accept that is where he is. Haven't we all lashed out in frustration at times? So Christian must be allowed the same ventilating, even if you and I think that it was unjustified. One can 'ventilate' disagreement (even strong disagreement) and frustration with a little more respect for people working very very hard to earn an honest living. Don't you think so? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Guten Tag MAU, am Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 um 19:46 schrieben Sie: Hello Bob, I agree that Christian went a bit overboard in his frustration, and I had questions about the upgrade myself (considering that I renewed my license in 21 November 2007, thinking it would be valid into version 4.1, and it wasn't - although that was clarified in the February 2008 website posting, which satisfies me). However, let's not be unkind to Christian or act as a parent voice, just accept that is where he is. Haven't we all lashed out in frustration at times? So Christian must be allowed the same ventilating, even if you and I think that it was unjustified. One can 'ventilate' disagreement (even strong disagreement) and frustration with a little more respect for people working very very hard to earn an honest living. Don't you think so? Of course you can, but you can also show respect to paying customers. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams mailto:i...@grams-it.com Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Sveiki, Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:36:30 PM, you wrote: Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Christian Grams wrote: Once again Ritlabs has done it again. This is the last straw and the last email i will send with TB! Very sad since i have used it (registered / licensed) since 1.x. But enough is enough! Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. NO WAY! many apps have 1-year subscription and between 3.x and 4.x were 4 years, so I really do not understand You. You are right. But I think he was referring to that nothing changed in those 4 years. Version 3.x and 4.x differs only in bug fixed and some changed glyphs. He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. At the same time he don't want to pay for bug fixes that were supposed to be fixed before the next major release. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi MAU, Monday, December 15, 2008, 11:46:42 AM, you wrote: Hello Bob, [snip] One can 'ventilate' disagreement (even strong disagreement) and frustration with a little more respect for people working very very hard to earn an honest living. Don't you think so? If one is extremely self-controlled and thoughtful, including having good genes and good parenting and a regular spiritual life, having relatively low life stress, and/or having a fundamentally holistic view of people, yes. At this present time, however, any one of us, under enough pressure, can think, behave and speak impulsively and thoughtlessly - and even savagely. Look at how otherwise decent soldiers have behaved in war at times. I never said I approved of Christian's expressing himself in that fashion. But I think a less parent-like response (using those loaded terms, Grow up!,) on your part would IMHO have been more constructive and therefore better. I.e., Christian is responsible for trying to do his best, and so are you and I. The real question for you is, Did my response to Christian help him to attain more self- and other-respect? That recognizes that you cannot truly judge Christian but only wish him to act in a more respectful fashion to RitLabs. This is an unfair discussion - I am not bilingual and you are! :) Thanks for your response! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Christian, Monday, December 15, 2008, 5:09:24 PM, you wrote: Once again Ritlabs has done it again. This is the last straw and the last email i will send with TB! Very sad since i have used it (registered / licensed) since 1.x. But enough is enough! Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. NO WAY! This is the change list between The Bat - 3.99.30 and 4.0.38. 0003170: [Interface] Color of hot spots in the example box of Print Setup don't changes to selected color 0006155: [! Other] No trailing spaces in templates in FOLDER properties 0005017: [HTML Editor] Some formatting issues of Windows Editor 0002288: [] The Bat! needs to use Smart MAPI DLL from Outlook Express 0003390: [! Other] all user defined SSCE dictionaries have language 'any-language' 0005449: [Interface] Account Log list rendered outside screen borders 0006218: [Address Book] Adressbook is opening twice 0006530: [Interface] Can't edit folder templates - Cannot focus a disabled or invisible window. 0003239: [IMAP] Serach doesn't work 0005893: [MicroEd editor] After writing subject text falls down and one half of it becomes hidden 0006499: [Mail Management] Lost attaches if acocount renamed 0005609: [MicroEd editor] CSAPI spellchecker from MS Office 2003 can't be used 0006548: [Mail Management] Folders structure doesn't saved when moving folder to another account 0006013: [MicroEd editor] Autocomplete of subject forces wrong subject 0001693: [Mail Management] Attachment in a message forwarded from Outlook is not visible nor accesseble from TB. 0006384: [Filters] Filter not working with EUC-KR charset 0006473: [Interface] Attached files from nested EML message are not displayed in attachment pane 0002823: [Backup/Restore] Virtual Folders are restored without selected folders 0006064: [Backup/Restore] Watched folders in virtual folder setting are not backed up/restored 0001136: [Interface] Autocomplete and AB macros doesn't work for second address in a Contact 0006566: [HTML Editor] An extra tr tag in HTML results in Access Violation error message. 0004353: [Interface] Width of name in folder Tab all is always bigger than in other folder tabs. 0006508: [Interface] Mark all Messages Read for sub folders gone 0006007: [! Other] Options-Preferences-Messages-Tabs edit problem 0006313: [Interface] Different radio buttons in Search text for Plaintext 0006527: [Interface] Vista : flickering progressbar in Trial dialog 0002888: [Interface] Unread and Virtual tabs is not-functional 0006512: [! Other] Headers quoted twice 0005290: [Mail Management] Organisation header added to TO address 0006386: [Address Book] Toggling the Favourites setting for an address book contact in a group sees it moved to the address book root 0006286: [Filters] Unable to edit long conditions 0006540: [! Other] Creating Welcome message after installation is broken in latest builds 0006514: [! Other] Help support: preferences sections Tabs and Date/Time uses same Help Context Number 14238 0006515: [! Other] Help support: preferences sections Plug-ins, Updates and Other options uses same Help Context Number 14244 0006516: [! Other] Help support: dialog View mode setup menu has disabled Help button, F1 is unaccessible 0006517: [! Other] Help support: Customiser dialog has disabled Help button, F1 is unaccessible 0006518: [! Other] Help support: dialog Edit header field has no support for Help 0006519: [! Other] Help support: dialog File Encrypt/Sign has no support for Help 0006572: [! Other] Help support: preferences sections Address History and General uses same Help Context Number 14231 0006569: [HTML rendering] URL Manager: the 'Remove' button does nothing 0004632: [Interface] Error in 'mark as read' confirmation window 0004249: [Interface] Cannot turn on LAN connection after deleting all dial-up accounts 0006492: [! Other] RAM usage, minimized and maximized 0004911: [! Other] Adressbook Group Template and always use character set option 0004837: [! Other] US-ASCII charset is displayed in pop-up with caption Western European (ISO) 0005416: [Address Book] Assign Character Set to Write Messages to Groups Not Working Correctly 0005746: [! Other] Memory Usage on Password Protected Account NOT RELIEVED After Closing 0006580: [PGP-S/MIME] S/MIME encrypted Mails are not shown (X.509) 0004038: [Mail Management] needed Support for IDN Domains 0006348: [MicroEd editor] URLs with accents are not fully underlined 0006149: [HTML rendering] Korean encoding displayed as weired characters 0006609: [Maintenance Centre] Maintaince center is not compressing folders 0006332: [! Other] %SETEDITOR from account properties works for AB template. 0006596: [Customisation] Access
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Bob, If one is extremely self-controlled and thoughtful, including having good genes and good parenting and a regular spiritual life, having relatively low life stress, and/or having a fundamentally holistic view of people, yes. All those fancy words and phrasing just to say grown up? ;-) But I think a less parent-like response on your part ... Given my age you'd probably better say grandpa-like. This is an unfair discussion - I am not bilingual and you are! :) Language is not really a problem. My slow typing speed due to my arthritic fingers is, and that's one of the reasons why I tend to write short messages. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Vilius, But I think he was referring to that nothing changed in those 4 years. That's not true. Splash screen has changed a few times. ;-) He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. ,- [ From the License Agreement (that document no one ever reads) ] | | The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility | for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained. | | RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated | from the program software and, with respect thereto, RITLABS shall not | be responsible for losses, damages, costs, or expenses of any kind | resulting from using or misusing the program including without | limitation, any liability for business expenses, machine downtime, | damages experienced by you or any third person as a result of any | deficiency, defect, bug, error or malfunction. RITLABS shall not be | liable for any indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages | relating to or arising out of the subject matter of this Agreement or | actions taken thereunder `- BTW, quite similar wording to License Agreements of many other software I use. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Christian, One can 'ventilate' disagreement (even strong disagreement) and frustration with a little more respect for people working very very hard to earn an honest living. Don't you think so? Of course you can, but you can also show respect to paying customers. Please see my mid:1507285950.20081215214...@rancho-k.com in response to Vilius Šumskas in this same thread. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Vilius Šumskas wrote: You are right. But I think he was referring to that nothing changed in those 4 years. Version 3.x and 4.x differs only in bug fixed and some changed glyphs. He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. At the same time he don't want to pay for bug fixes that were supposed to be fixed before the next major release. are You jokoing? You does probably. I do not know why he can't use 3.x, but he has 4.0.x free. He can't use 4.0.x but used until today? Strange -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi MAU, Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:34:45 PM, you wrote: [snip] But I think a less parent-like response on your part ... Given my age you'd probably better say grandpa-like. Careful! I am 66 and can remember when the French surrendered at Sedan, near the Meuse River, much to the delight of Bismarck. I enjoyed your humorous reply. Thank you. End of thread, before the moderator justifiably yells at the two old men? -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
You are right. But I think he was referring to that nothing changed in those 4 years. Version 3.x and 4.x differs only in bug fixed and some changed glyphs. He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. At the same time he don't want to pay for bug fixes that were supposed to be fixed before the next major release. thankyou for making it more clear. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams mailto:i...@grams-it.com Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Sveiki, Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:48:27 PM, you wrote: He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. ,- [ From the License Agreement (that document no one ever reads) ] | .. `- BTW, quite similar wording to License Agreements of many other software I use. Well, legally RitLabs maybe right. But in any business you should pay respect to clients, e.g. supporting old version and fixing critical bugs at least for some time after next major version is released. Or change major version number only when your program really have changed much and not confuse the clients tricking into next buy. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Sveiki, Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:53:55 PM, you wrote: Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Vilius Šumskas wrote: You are right. But I think he was referring to that nothing changed in those 4 years. Version 3.x and 4.x differs only in bug fixed and some changed glyphs. He can't use 3.x anymore because it's still buggy and not supported. At the same time he don't want to pay for bug fixes that were supposed to be fixed before the next major release. are You jokoing? You does probably. I do not know why he can't use 3.x, but he has 4.0.x free. He can't use 4.0.x but used until today? Strange 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Vilius Šumskas wrote: 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Sveiki, Monday, December 15, 2008, 11:10:17 PM, you wrote: Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Vilius Šumskas wrote: 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Monday, December 15, 2008, Vilius Šumskas wrote: Well, legally RitLabs maybe right. But in any business you should pay respect to clients, e.g. supporting old version and fixing critical bugs at least for some time after next major version is released. Or change major version number only when your program really have changed much and not confuse the clients tricking into next buy. I could accept this only if previous upgrade fee was year before, not 4 years before. I do see respect to clients if they updated program for such long time without any fee. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Vilius Šumskas« · 2008-12-15 · 22:14 h (CET)] Moin, Vilius! 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … I am not talking about pet peeves, but about bugs that make The Bat! unusable … Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
