Re: Gmail POP settings
Hello Code, A reminder of what Code 2 on TBUDL typed on: 30 November 2004 at 02:24:55 GMT +0100 C2 I can send GMail only by setting the outgoing connection to Secure to C2 Dedicated Port (TLS). STARTTLS wouldn't work for me. Some people have trouble with that port as well and need to use the other one. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 30/11/2004 at 08:06 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Gmail POP settings
Hello, TB The full instructions are in your gmailsettingsPop and Forward Tab on the TB gamil site. Here they are in case you can't find them. Authentication and connexion seems work fine for me, but I can't obtain the mail: I receive a -ERR bad command from the serveur. Here are the logs === 8 == 30/11/2004, 10:00:38: FETCH - receiving mail messages 30/11/2004, 10:00:38: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake 30/11/2004, 10:00:38: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 3E9C89, algorithm: RSA (2048 bits), issued from 16 sept. 2004 to 16 sept. 2005, for 1 host(s): pop.gmail.com. 30/11/2004, 10:00:38: FETCH - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google Inc, pop.gmail.com. 30/11/2004, 10:00:38: FETCH - Issuer: ZA, Western Cape, Cape Town, Thawte Consulting cc, Certification Services Division, Thawte Server CA, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/11/2004, 10:00:39: FETCH - TLS handshake complete 30/11/2004, 10:00:39: FETCH - connected to POP3 server !30/11/2004, 10:00:39: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR bad command === 8 === What could be the problem ? Should I delete all the mails presents, is that a problem with the Welcom message ? -- Cordialement, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail POP settings
Hello Francis, A reminder of what Francis Dhumes on TBUDL typed on: 30 November 2004 at 10:08:31 GMT +0100 FD What could be the problem ? Something odd is going on with gmail. I always used STARTTLS for SMTP as instructed on the site but, for some reason I had to change it to TLS today otherwise I couldn't send. You have enabled POP and disabled forwarding in your gmail settings haven't you? Log in to your account and go to your settings in the Forwarding and POP tab. Don't forget to click the Save Changes button. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 30/11/2004 at 09:15 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Gmail POP settings
Hello Tony, Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 10:20:39 AM, vous écriviez: TB You have enabled POP and disabled forwarding in your gmail settings TB haven't you? Log in to your account and go to your settings in the TB Forwarding and POP tab. Don't forget to click the Save Changes button. yes, I have done it and verified many time. The a odd thing: the dot before Enable POP for all mail isn't saved after cliking on Save changes. When I come back, the dot before Disable forwarding is present but not the one before Enable Is this correct, or must I contact the GMail support ? -- Cordialement, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: signing with PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ralph, On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:42:14 +0100GMT (29-11-2004, 11:42 +0100, where I live), you wrote: i use PGP free 8.1 to sign my outgoing mails. Is there a way, to tell TB! that when a mail is from adress A, it should use the corresponding key A and so on ? In my case, there's a lot of mail adresses and a lot of keys and everytime when a mail is going to be signed i have to select, which key to use... can really nobody help me with this? I have asked in PGP-Basics if there is something simular as GPGrelay but then for PGP? This is the answer I got: Yes, PGP Enterprise. It's not exactly affordable, even for most businesses (forget about individual users who aren't millionaires). If you like to read about the possibilities of GPGrelay http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html - -- cheers, Henk __ :tbflag: The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://gswot.webhop.info/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: with GPGshell 3.24 iD8DBQFBrEYYEgabk9vm5ngRAlYNAJwJ0uw0lSNdc1syBPahKWNOK4zIqgCfdk9D tR1cwAHYQ6QO8FV6TEAxQ68= =/X1J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail POP settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Francis, A reminder of what Francis Dhumes on TBUDL typed on: 30 November 2004 at 12:45:44 GMT +0100 FD Is this correct, or must I contact the GMail support ? No, that's correct. I wondered about that but my pop/smtp still works so I left it. It takes a while for pop access to work so apart from waiting a while I don't know what else to suggest. - -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 30/11/2004 at 12:50 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.5 Turbo Diesel Injection Land Rover Defender 110 iQA/AwUBQaxs+NanuJ+T+uXWEQKioACfUErYYYrqpaO82HdfS+ZNItFWzu8AoK+c CHLOrTlnIT3BkHgchF73Mkvc =Ur62 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Space before question mark etc
Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:43:14 + (10:43 AM EST here) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can this diversion continue under this subject please? I'd like comments on my original question [Drag and drop from mail edit and mail display window(s)] I just verified that I can highlight and copy text in TheBat! and paste the copied text into an open Wordpad window. It isn't the same as dragging and dropping, but it accomplishes the same thing. If TheBat! and, for example, Wordpad share the screen, it seems to be an acceptable way to work. Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.9, MyMacros 1.11, gMacrosPlugin 0.80 Windows XP v5.1 - Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Space before question mark etc
I just verified that I can highlight and copy text... Wordpad! Yuch. Yes you can highlight copy and then paste but do the same exercise with highlight drag and drop a few times and you'll see the dfference in workflow. ...it seems to be an acceptable way to work. Oh no it isn't - not when you're doing it day in day out and all your clients have been instructed to end website amendments in plain text email and there are probably a minimum of 50 a day! -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 with POPFile 0.22.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hello Mark,
On Monday, November 29, 2004, 9:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ The filter is as follows:
PJ TB! Message Filter
PJ beginFilter
PJ UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
PJ Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
PJ Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
PJ MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
PJ IsActive
PJ endFilter
PJ Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?
MP This one works for me:
MP TB! Message Filter
MP beginFilter
MP UID: [4A31FDE0.01C49062.236C3EE8.40D55E8C]
MP Name: K9\20Spam
MP Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20spam\0D\0A}
MP MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMark\5CInbox\5CSpam\20Trap\20K9
MP DeleteFromServer
MP IsActive
MP IsSendQueue
MP endFilter
I tried this one and it didn't work either. One account uses
Header contains X-Text-Classification: spam
as a condition; another account uses
Header field X-Text-Classification match spam
(minus quotation marks)
...and neither works consistently. That is, some of the messages K9
marks as spam are redirected, others are not. I've checked the headers
and they are correctly classified, but not always moved.
Could the destination folder have anything to do with it? The filter
is supposed to move them to the Junk folder that already exists.
Thank you!
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Best wishes,
Pat
A Canadian in Houston
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you to use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for the purpose of filtering it. ASK Just to be on the safe side - you do have defined the header field ASK X-Text-Classification in Preferences | Messages | Message Headers? Yes, I did make that modification-- sorry, I should have mentioned it. K9 learns and works very quickly so this is frustrating; don't know whether it's a K9 problem or a TB problem, but suspect the latter. Thanks and... -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 17:11 you (P.Johnson) wrote: K9 learns and works very quickly Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* so this is frustrating; don't know whether it's a K9 problem or a TB problem, but suspect the latter. Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your accounts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 If God dropped acid, would He see people? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 11:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K9 learns and works very quickly ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* I've received a couple lately and you are right, they snuck past K9. However, if I simply send my bank account info I could be a millionaire and hire someone to filter my email! :-) ASK Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your ASK accounts. I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. Thanks for your help! -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hæ!
My filter looks like this:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
Name: SPAM
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
SetColour 226723330
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter
and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
filters.
It has nothing to do with K9, but this common filter works, too:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [9E420870.01C4ADF9.5ED08BA5.73489440]
Name: junk
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`Get\20a\20capable\20html\20e-mailer\0D\0A}
SetColour 1981009950
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
and accessible format?
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter
K9 learns and works very quickly ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They're troublesome for my filter, too. I figure it's because except for spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the text is generally found in the good word database. The blacklist feature now helps me filter these more effectively. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Majorcan shop entrance: Here speeching American. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Code 2 everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:06 you (Code 2) wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They're troublesome for my filter, too. I figure it's because except for spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the text is generally found in the good word database. Yes, but its odd that PopFile always successfully identified them, while I've been training K9 for 20 days or something and it still misses them... The blacklist feature now helps me filter these more effectively. I just activated K9's DNS blacklist, hope it helps... I'm tempted to improve my english cursing and swearing skills on those guys a lot, really. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I must say that I find television very educational. The minute somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a book. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Thorvald Neumann everyone else,
on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:00 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote:
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
You altered the default header from spam to junk. Unless Pat did that,
it won't work for her. :-)
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Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)
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Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. It is weak on other mails though :( -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As you walk down the fairway of life you must smell the roses, for you only get to play one round. -Ben Hogan Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hæ! Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 19:24, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: You altered the default header from spam to junk. Unless Pat did that, it won't work for her. :-) Ah, yes. I thought my old PopFile-filters would work with K9 when I just changed the header-addition. And guess what, the filters work... ;) -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.8 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* Hi Alexander, I usually alert the company which email is being abused by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have collect so friendly thank you´s like this one today: ASK Dear Sir/Madam, ASK ASK Thank you for bringing a 419 Internet abuser to our attention. ASK ASK We have identified the user, locked the mailbox and rendered the account unusable. ASK ASK We would like to take this opportunity to thank you once again for bringing ASK this to our attention and for helping us to address this serious issue. ASK ASK Yours faithfully ASK Tiscali Abuse Team ASK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Taking action is always better then sitting still and taking the punches :) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What's the point of washing off your ball when teeing off on a water hole? Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Gmail POP settings
Hello, TB It takes a while for pop access to work so apart from waiting a while I TB don't know what else to suggest. Wait and see ... Thanks ! -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Gerard everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:44 you (Gerard) wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. It is weak on other mails though :( It may depend on how you handle whitelisted mails. I added the TB lists (and a couple of other english lists) to the whitelist and had the whitelisted messages added to the ham database (I thought it would be good to let the ham database), but now it seems to me it is better to let the whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419 mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 An optimist thinks that this is the best possible world. A pessimist fears that this is true. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail POP settings
Hello Francis, A reminder of what Francis Dhumes on TBUDL typed on: 30 November 2004 at 20:15:36 GMT +0100 FD Wait and see ... Thanks ! Has it worked yet? -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 30/11/2004 at 19:33 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 8:35:09 PM, you wrote: ASK now it seems to me it is better to let the ASK whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419 ASK mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference... That is how I have set it up. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- By the time a man can afford to lose a golf ball, he can't hit it that far. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello P.Johnson everyone else, on 30-Nov-2004 at 18:51 you (P.Johnson) wrote: ASK Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your ASK accounts. I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so that it'll simply contain spam. IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is spam[89] or something. Maybe thats the problem. Thanks for your help! Now, if it would only work! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers. -- Sydney J. Harris Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Gerard, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 19:44:25 GMT +0100 (which was 19:44:25 where I live), Gerard wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of K9 spam filter: G ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* G BayesFilter catches these for me nicely. G It is weak on other mails though :( That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). -- Best regards, Dick ___ The older you get, the better you realize you were. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote: That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when you answer him, getting Please reply to this message to confirm or Click this link. (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that challenges every poster to a mailing list). -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ A computer makes as many mistakes in two seconds as 20 men working 20 years. -- Horowitz's Rule Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 spam filter
Hello Jernej, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 22:18:06 GMT +0100 (which was 22:18:06 where I live), Jernej Simoncic wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of K9 spam filter: JS On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote: That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very smart and know their ways to cheat these filters. I installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox since then (and that without training it ;-) ). JS No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from JS challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. JS Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when JS you answer him, getting Please reply to this message to confirm or Click JS this link. (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is JS C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that JS challenges every poster to a mailing list). I fully understand your objections against such a system but there are challenge-response systems and challenge-response systems. Whenever I send a message to somebody (even when it is not yet in my address book) and this persons replies to my email, his answer will end up straight in my inbox and no message is being sent first for any confirmation. As I have loaded my address book in this filter, I haven't received any complaints from my friends, etc. (they simply don't know that I have such a filter active). What I have seen is that my blacklist is growing and growing with many spam email addresses. IMHO, I'm afraid that Bayes based spamfilters will lose the battle in the long run as the spammers will figure out ways to bypass it. -- Best regards, Dick ___ My uncle just turned 75. He never married, and someone asked him if it was because he had never found the perfect woman. 'I found her,' he said. 'But she was looking for the perfect man.' Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't add words to spelling list.
Hi On Monday, 29 November, 2004, at 2:50:55 PM, Dan Grunberg wrote: This didn't solve the problem. Non-administrators still can't add words to the spelling lists. I moved my speller dictionaries initially and I thought it did it for me but there was some problem that I can't remember. I then decided to edit permissions with cacls and it's been ok since. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hi Alexander, On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the filter. ASK I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so ASK that it'll simply contain spam. ASK IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is ASK spam[89] or something. Maybe thats the problem. OK, I've changed that setting and here's hoping it will help! Thanks again. -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Hello Thorvald,
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TN My filter looks like this:
TN TB! Message Filter
TN beginFilter
TN UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
TN Name: SPAM
TN Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
TN MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
TN MarkRead
TN SetColour 226723330
TN IsActive
TN Ignore
TN IsSendQueue
TN endFilter
TN and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
TN filters.
Thank you; I will give this one a try too.
TN BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
TN and accessible format?
I can't really decipher the above format, until I copy and paste into a
new filter.
--
Best wishes,
Pat
A Canadian in Houston
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Re: Can't add words to spelling list.
Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:59:49 + (4:59 PM EST here) MFPA wrote: On Monday, 29 November, 2004, at 2:50:55 PM, Dan Grunberg wrote: This didn't solve the problem. Non-administrators still can't add words to the spelling lists. I moved my speller dictionaries initially and I thought it did it for me but there was some problem that I can't remember. I then decided to edit permissions with cacls and it's been ok since. --?-- What is/are cacls? Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.9, MyMacros 1.11, gMacrosPlugin 0.80 Windows XP v5.1 - Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Can't add words to spelling list.
Hi On Wednesday, 1 December, 2004, at 12:09:52 AM, Dan Grunberg wrote: What is/are cacls? CALCS is a command line utility for setting file permissions which is built into Windows NT,2000 and XP. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9 spam filter
Alexander, Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 9:58:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a ASK day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh* They usually get past k9 and BayesIt here also, but frankly I don't mind. Some of them are quite funny, and once in awhile I'll bite on one of them and encourage them to fax me info, call, etc. Since they're usually in Africa, the faxes cost them a bit of money, and I currently live in Uzbekistan, so the random number I give them here is going to frustrate them, since I doubt few of the scammers know Russian or Uzbek. If I can get them to waste time and money on me, maybe some other poor soul won't get taken in that week. -- Cheers, Rick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
File Location, Permission, Spell Checker, etc.
These recent threads of conversation remind me of something I said
about a year ago.
Chris @ 2003-Nov-27 10:53:46 PM
File Locations mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why does The Bat! insist on putting data files in its own directory?
In theory, normal users should not be able to modify the contents of
The Bat!'s directory. Therefore, The Bat! should store its data files
in the user's home directory (%userprofile%\Application Data\The Bat!
[There is a better way to get the path of the Application Data
directory {it can be redirected}, using the API SHGetFolderPath()
{this may be getting to technical}]).
If the DEFAULT location for The Bat!'s files became
CSIDL_APPDATA\Rit Labs\The Bat!\ or some variant thereof, these
problems would be solved. Axillary files, like BayseIt files and the
custom dictionary would need to be moved there also.
For those of us who want to have control over where our data files are
stored, those options would still remain.
In a message one day later, I said:
Chris @ 2003-Nov-27 11:05:48 PM
File Locations mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changing the way The Bat! stores file would solve the problems
mentioned in the thread Setting up TB! for multiple users?
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Global address books and
other shared files could be stored in the All Users directory.
Network settings would need to be stored in The Bat!'s directory so
that they could only be changed by users with permissions (normally
only administrators).
Also, these changes will help users of Windows 2000 and Windows XP and
will NOT break The Bat! on older operating systems. There are user
profiles and an All Users directory on both Windows 98 and Me (and
perhaps even 95).
The All Users Application Data directory is CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA.
What do you guys think?
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Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.
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