reply to macro and addressbook issue
Hello Everyone, I am using the %OFromFName macro in my reply templates and believe this is based on how the incoming email is received (ie how the sender configured his email address or header). I often notice that this is not working well as the output is unsuitable, e.g. one of my contacts uses an email like _joe Company name. In this case my reply comes out as Dear _joe, in other cases they use jane.doe@ and my reply is Dear Jane.Doe . I just sent a message to myself using as address [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and then added me to the address book as First Name Test and Last Name Ing. When trying to reply it just says: Hello testing. Is there any way to correct this. I tried to do this within the addressbook by amending how the name is shown there but this does not seem to have any influence on the macro output. -- Best regards, Tom using TheBat! 3.95.1 on XP Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reply to macro and addressbook issue
Hallo Tom, On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:31:51 +1100GMT (22-1-2007, 12:31 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T I am using the %OFromFName macro in my reply templates and believe T this is based on how the incoming email is received (ie how the sender T configured his email address or header). That's correct. T Is there any way to correct this. I tried to do this within the T addressbook by amending how the name is shown there but this does not T seem to have any influence on the macro output. You could use this: %ABToFirstName=%OFromFName The ABToFirstName will take the first name from the AB entry that matches the (first) address in the To: header. When you've got multiple AB entries with that address the behaviour of the macro will be impaired (like all of TB's address book related actions will multiple entries for the same address). The =%OFromFName will substitute the OFromFName in case there is no AB entry for the given address (or the first name is empty) -- Groetjes, Roelof When I was a boy, when Fortran was only Twotran http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgptwRuEB3FCE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Dear Dwight, -- Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 03:47:47: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves I agree to this. In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. -- liebe GrĂ¼sse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Eddie, On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:50:23 +0100 GMT (22/01/2007, 19:50 +0700 GMT), Eddie Castelli wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. EC Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? EC THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on EC it. It would be faster to just alter the subject line, which is what I would often like to do. Enquiry as a subject just doesn't say anything in my business environment. -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Streichhoelzer muessen gut versteckt werden, damit sie keine kleinen Kinder bekommen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Dwight! On Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:47 PM, you wrote: Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. this, and being able to edit text have been longstanding requests of some, which have been opposed, and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves. Put that way I think is sounds crazy and if you have missed the discussions you probably think I am exaggerating. It is, however, so. It is thought to be immoral to want to make changes, add notes, or condense a message in your database. We should be ashamed for wanting to do it. You are absolutely right about the judgmental tone of the comments in regard to this feature modification request, whenever it is being discussed. It is of a piece with the status of the sacred Outbox. Current position of developers and their supporters: 1) The Outbox settings must over-ride Address Book settings, when a message is re-opened from the Outbox. BTW, please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6182 2) The Draft folder must exist only as a function of the Outbox. 3) There must not be a separate draft folder. 4) Account headers must over-ride manual re-typing of the From field text. 5) If you reply to a message from one Account, but wish to show the address/domain of another account, The Bat! will change the From setting back when you click Send. 6) Only work-around is to copy the message to a folder in the Account that you want to show in the From field and then invoke your editor window for the reply. 7) As noted in this thread, you cannot, inside The Bat!, edit the subject field, or the time-stamp, either, of a received message for purposes of filing a message, in order to make its subject line describe the body contents more accurately. It's my view that The Bat! should allow the user to edit or modify anything he/she wishes or needs to modify. And that these manual modifications should over-ride all template and automatic TB! settings. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Monday, January 22, 2007, 6:50:23 AM, Eddie Castelli wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Thomas! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:43 AM, you wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. EC Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? EC THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on EC it. It would be faster to just alter the subject line, which is what I would often like to do. Enquiry as a subject just doesn't say anything in my business environment. Thomas, I agree with and fully support all your comments in this post. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Dwight! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 9:18 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! Amen! Me too! And I also want to be able to decide how I will keep my Outbox! Without having to resort to all these cumbersome Work-Arounds. :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. An email is only able to be regarded as a legal document to the same level as a paper letter or any other document. I can alter a letter, I can alter a document, I can alter an email. Since there is often a copy of the email at both ends - any alteration by me of my copy can be held against the copy at the other end and any falsification argued over just as it would for a paper letter or whatever. Therefore, I would suggest, the ability to alter email headers for practical local reasons is fine. Any email held up in a court of law can be scrutinised and compared just as any other document would. In any case, email can be hacked and cracked about without the use of TB! if one is determined to falsify something. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Thomas! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:43 AM, you wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. I've been editing my subject lines for sotrage purposes for ages - using a filter that Roelof helped me put together. What's the problem? I hit ALT -E a text editor pops up - change the header, save and it appears back in a folder from which I move it for filing. Admitedly it would be better if it could judst be edited in place and saved back whence it came...but... this is THe Bat! and useful additions don't seem to carry any weight in the development process. But that's an old gripe of mine. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hi Mary, Monday, January 22, 2007, 3:38:01 PM, you wrote: Hello Dwight! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 9:18 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! Amen! Me too! And me. I'd ditch TB! in a minute if I had something with the same filter and search capacity and the ability to edit received emails easily. And I also want to be able to decide how I will keep my Outbox! Without having to resort to all these cumbersome Work-Arounds. :( Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.95.6 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hi Eddie, Monday, January 22, 2007, 12:50:23 PM, you wrote: Dear Dwight, -- Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 03:47:47: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves I agree to this. In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. But it can be altered, anyone who wants to alter it can. Bad guys will, good guys have to struggle, what's the sense in that? And email won't be considered a legal document unless it's signed, encrypted, or something that insures it can't be altered easily. So that's no excuse. Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. So if I want to do a fast search of subject lines anything in memo will show up? No, it won't. Memo is not a substitute. And I collect recipes and archive them in TB!, and often want to delete from a post. Or add notes without having to read them by extra mouse clicks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.95.6 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Doug! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 11:10 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. So if I want to do a fast search of subject lines anything in memo will show up? No, it won't. Memo is not a substitute. ... Exactly. A fast search of subject lines--one of TB!'s most useable features. But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vanished mail file
Hello Graham, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 19:38:00, you wrote: However, if anyone can explain why this might have occurred, I would be extremely grateful. What is the partition type where you keep The Bat! files (TBB)? Is it a FAT or NTFS partition? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vanished mail file
Hello Maxim, Monday, January 22, 2007, 6:42:25 PM, you wrote: Thursday, January 18, 2007, 19:38:00, you wrote: However, if anyone can explain why this might have occurred, I would be extremely grateful. What is the partition type where you keep The Bat! files (TBB)? Is it a FAT or NTFS partition? NTFS -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vanished mail file
Hello Graham, Monday, January 22, 2007, 21:01:54, you wrote: What is the partition type where you keep The Bat! files (TBB)? Is it a FAT or NTFS partition? NTFS Thank you, could you please check the options of this folder, is Compress folder on exit checked on? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vanished mail file
Hello Maxim, Monday, January 22, 2007, 7:34:26 PM, you wrote: What is the partition type where you keep The Bat! files (TBB)? Is it a FAT or NTFS partition? NTFS Thank you, could you please check the options of this folder, is Compress folder on exit checked on? No, unfortunately, as I see from the help that this may be an issue . There are 2000 messages, many with attachments. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Monday, January 22, 2007, Mary Bull wrote: But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. -- Urban I believe you should live each day as if it is your last, which is why I don't have any clean laundry because, come on, who wants to wash clothes on the last day of thier life Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Combined/truncated messages?
I have recently had some unusual problems with emails. For example, here is an email which starts out as a message to one mailing list and then in the middle switches to an entirely different message sent to another mailing list. In the below quote, everything up to regularly. is one message and then it switches to a something from a different email. 5. Play time and perspective: He loves climbing and bouldering, and boy scouts, and his friends. We make time for those three things regularly. just for frequently used sires or questioned litters, but a means of providing unique information for future research. Clearly the two clubs involved feel that ALL dogs - male or Another problem. This is on numerous messages in my inbox. They do not show an author or recipient or subject matter. The text is somewhat there and sometimes only partialy there. For example here is what is shown as text of one message which has no headers showing who it is from or who it is to (it is clearly a message to a mailing list): !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head /head !-- Network content -- body style=background-color: #ff; !--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~-- div id=ygrp-mlmsg style=width:655px; position:relative; div id=ygrp-msg style=width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1; !--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~-- div id=ygrp-text pAt 09:06 PM 1/21/2007 -0500, you wrote:br br gt;In my opinion the worst thing to do is give into such a demand. Make him br gt;stop biting and when he has settled down, then put him down. Always put br gt;them down on your own terms.br -- Best regards, Kitty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Urban! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:00 PM, you wrote: But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. Yes, Urban, that's another nice work-around. But, in general, as I wrote earlier in this thread, I believe that The Bat! should support a manual over-ride of all templates and all TB! automatic settings. I am enjoying this thread. But my own main complaint is not about the Inbox, but about the Outbox. The Outbox also over-rides the user's wishes. Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6182 It is a Bat Wishes entry that asks for the Outbox to be configured to respect Address Book header settings, when a message is re-opened in the Outbox Draft section, for further editing. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Combined/truncated messages?
Hallo Kitty, On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:04:16 -0600GMT (22-1-2007, 21:04 +0100, where I live), you wrote: KV I have recently had some unusual problems with emails. KV For example, here is an email which starts out as a message to one KV mailing list and then in the middle switches to an entirely different KV message sent to another mailing list. That's odd behaviour. Is this happening to one account or to multiple accounts? When inspecting the messages via webmail, are they listed correct on the server? (You might try to keep messages one day at the server, so you can inspect messages that show up corrupted in TB.) Are you using any proxy servers? (virus scanner, spam filter, content fiter in firewall) -- Groetjes, Roelof This program must die under Microsoft Windows. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgps5kGBlbkMA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Combined/truncated messages?
That's odd behaviour. Is this happening to one account or to multiple accounts? When inspecting the messages via webmail, are they listed correct on the server? (You might try to keep messages one day at the server, so you can inspect messages that show up corrupted in TB.) I've only noticed it on 1 account but I only have one account that I get much mail on. It goes even beyond what I posted. For example, I found a message in a strange folder and so I looked at the headers. There was a return header shown that clearly belonged to another message and not that one. The messages are vine on the server. In fact, I get mail at home on a different computer and they come in fine on that computer. -- Best regards, Kittymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
U So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. But that would alter the correct sender ID and time stamp. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A liberal is a person whose interests aren't at stake at the moment. - Willis Player Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 at 19:12:07 -0500, Rich wrote: U So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. But that would alter the correct sender ID and time stamp. Hence the approach I suggest in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is also what Marten refers to in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. TF True, but [un]resolved. UNRESOLVABLE. This topic is similar in tone to a religious war for some reason! Those who insist that the integrity of an email should be unassailable seem wholly unable to compromise. Nobody else cares, and those who want to be able to do this feel vilified! EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. I'd ask why but we're getting too OT (the topic was: How do I...?) I'll simply say that I think email SHOULD be fully alterable if you want to for any reason whatsoever. It is after all YOUR email in YOUR database. I often fix emails that I've received to ensure better data in my message database. Mostly it is a subject line edit, sometimes it is to correct the message contents. For example, I'll correct an email when someone might send me their contact info but omit or typo something. I also edit EVERY message from PayPal to remove the footer and to clean up the message so that it prints one order to (only) one page. Lastly, since to me it is preferable to keep the time stamp and sender's email address intact, emailing messages back to myself is not an option. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. - Jerome K. Jerome Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Combined/truncated messages?
Kitty @ 2007-1-22 4:07:03 PM Combined/truncated messages? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've only noticed it on 1 account but I only have one account that I get much mail on. It goes even beyond what I posted. For example, I found a message in a strange folder and so I looked at the headers. There was a return header shown that clearly belonged to another message and not that one. The messages are vine on the server. In fact, I get mail at home on a different computer and they come in fine on that computer. Your hard drive may be dying. I'd make a backup and get that looked at. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Notice in health food shop window: CLOSED DUE TO ILLNESS pgpsrfJHXWOvq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:00:53 PM, Urban wrote: Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. work arounds are no substitute -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html