Re: Infinity symbol on application icon
Hi On Friday 27 August 2021 at 4:27:43 AM, in , Ian A. White wrote:- > It's the number of unread messages. There is probably > a limit on the umber of unread that it can show, so is > probably shoring the infinity symbol for LOTS If I recall correctly it shows the infinity symbol for over 99 unread messages. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Zorba the Greek - before he zorbas you Using The Bat! Version 9.3.1 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19042 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %AbFromGroup macro
Hi On Sunday 11 July 2021 at 12:33:42 AM, in , Ian A. White wrote:- > Oh, and I still cannot find anything in the help > system on %ABFromGroup macro. There's a mention at https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/73/#6675 -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> He's an environmentalist - his arguments are 100% recycled Using The Bat! Version 9.3.1 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19042 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Useful templates
Hi On Tuesday 1 December 2020 at 3:37:38 PM, in , Acheton wrote:- I wondered whether there were any templates / macros that the community have found particularly useful that others could share? The most useful sources online seems to be silverstones.com but seem to be broken currently. That's been broken for quite some time but the Wayback Machine has a snapshot at https://web.archive.org/web/20070705050832/http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> It's better to feed one cat than many mice Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem when ALT-Tabbing
Hi On Tuesday 1 December 2020 at 12:54:07 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > No, I can't reproduce the problem. But it seems that > MFPA and perhaps > others, have seen a similar problem. Yep. The blank area below the menu usually appears when I recover TB! from minimised. Unless I an using "classic" theme. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem when ALT-Tabbing
Hi On Monday 30 November 2020 at 9:50:13 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Black on black text again except when I reply, as now. Sorry. Still having problems with Themes. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem when ALT-Tabbing
Title: Re: Problem when ALT-Tabbing Hi On Monday 30 November 2020 at 10:35:32 AM, in <mid:1672873730.20201130103...@gmail.com>, Acheton wrote:- Hi all, Sometimes, when I ALT-tab away from TB to another window and then return I get a long black bar appear at the top of the app as shown in the attachment. Just wanted to report this problem.. That seems very similar to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2030 "Grey unfilled area in main window after minimize to task bar and restore to full screen state". (Although with the Themes, It's black in the ones I use.) -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Don't anthropomorphize computers - they hate it Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OAUTH Grayed Out
Hi On Monday 23 November 2020 at 4:58:23 PM, in , Bill McQuillan wrote:- > I have been seeing the same thing for a few days. I > tried swiping the > cursor over the contents of the email (to select it) > and the black on > black text appeared. CTRL+A (select all) may be easier. > I also tried looking at the source (F9) and I could > not immediately > see any reason for this in the HTML. I've not actually looked at that. > I am using TB v 6.0.12 like you so that may have > something to do with > it. It's related to the new "themes" in The Bat!. Using the current version with the "classic" and certain other themes, I observed the same for those messages. I've now removed the tick from "include current profile's layout into HTML messages" in editor preferences, which might make a difference. But the profile layout was never black on black... -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OAUTH Grayed Out
Hi On Monday 23 November 2020 at 4:32:42 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Hello MFPA, > I suspect it's me, particularly since no one else > seems to have mentioned it but > your emails have started to come through as black on > black text. It's me, not you. It has been mentioned in the "How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders" thread. It's to do with the "themes" that have been introduced in recent TB! releases and betas, and still have some teething troubles. If you are viewing in HTML, it may be odd. In plain text it will, of course, be fine. I've tried tweaking my settings slightly; this one may or may not be better. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> You're only young once; you can be immature forever Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OAUTH Grayed Out
Title: Re: OAUTH Grayed Out Hi On Monday 23 November 2020 at 3:33:21 AM, in <mid:6237844.20201122203...@yandex.com>, David Shepherd wrote:- I did find a work around for my Yahoo! account. Yahoo! offers the ability to generate a third party app password. This did work, whew! When I have the time and inclination I will try the method you described. Thank you for letting me know about your tip. I used that option when yahoo's new requirements first blocked access to my accounts. With one account it failed after two or three days, with another it worked for at least a week. Then I needed to generate another third party app password. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day. Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OAUTH Grayed Out
Title: Re: OAUTH Grayed Out Hi On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 7:11:25 PM, in <mid:1097402151.20201121121...@yandex.com>, David Shepherd wrote:- However, my Yahoo account stopped being able to login. I believe it is because Yahoo has instituted a strict OAUTH policy. [snipped] . Is there something I must do to enable OAUTH? Add a new copy of the yahoo account in TB!. With luck, it will get you to do the "OAUTH" bit in your web browser when you are adding the account, and subsequently the account will login as normal within TB!. It might not work first time; if so delete the new copy of the account and try again. I had to do this four times for one of my accounts. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Free advice costs nothing until you act upon it Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?
Hi On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 5:18:24 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > Same here. Except I get white on black when you say > black on white. Yes. In a rush earlier. I meant white on black. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Gypsy Dwarf Escapes Prison: Small Medium at large Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?
Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders? Hi On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 1:44:52 AM, in <mid:5810176921.20201122084...@gmx.net>, Thomas Fernandez wrote:- FWIW, your reply arrived as black script on black background over here. I am using "Classic" theme. Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> I would like to help you out. Which way did you come in? Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?
Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders? Hi On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 4:41:21 PM, in <mid:78402495.20201121084...@gmail.com>, Susanne wrote:- Do you know of a way to also give a darker background to the menu bars? Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes". I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?
Hi On Thursday 19 November 2020 at 10:04:46 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > That is just a 'nasty' workaround that does > change the background > color of the folder tree pane if the color group > for each folder is > Generic, and it does also affect the message list. If somebody wants a dark background for the folder list because they find a light background too glaring for their eyes, my guess is the same applies to the message list. I have used colour groups to give a dark background to these lists for many years, although I do have specific colour groups that I use just in the folder list. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas! Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Token Manager v2.0 (iKey1000, eToken Pro) for Professional Edition
Hi I just noticed on The Bat! download page that "Token Manager v2.0 (iKey1000, eToken Pro) for Professional Edition" is dated January 2010. I don't use Token Manager, but ten years since the last revision seems a long time for something that sounds like security software. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Volvo, Video, Velcro. (I came, I saw, I stuck around.) Using The Bat! Version 9.2.5 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Downloading "old" gmail
Hi On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 11:37:07 PM, in , Achdut18 wrote:- > What am I specifically looking at in order to check > POM settings? Under account properties and "general" > the account name is the gmail address. The word > "recent" is not appended to the address. The user name will be on the "Transport" tab, in the "Receive mail" section. The second box, which is called "User" will probably contain your gmail address. Maybe without the "@gmail.com" or whatever. And it might have "recent:" in front of it. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest. Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3.4 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Downloading "old" gmail
Hi On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 10:20:32 AM, in , Achdut18 wrote:- > This seemed like a great idea. However, when I tried > to do that, it only downloaded the headers for mail from > Aug 23 - Sept 23, 2020. That is no use. That was about > 4500 messages. But, I have 288,000+ messages on the > Google server for this account. You could try what it says at https://www.msoutlook.info/question/583, although it's 9 years old, so google probably changed the interface three dozen times since. "Gmail has some specific POP3 options which offers you some additional control about what gets downloaded by Outlook (or any other mail client). Enable POP for all mail In Gmail you can find these option in the Forwarding and POP/IMAP section; Click on the gear icon in the top right corner next to your name and choose; Mail settings Click on; Forwarding and POP/IMAP Enable the option: Enable POP for all mail (even mail that’s already been downloaded) Gmail - Enable POP for all mail (even that's already been downlaoded) POP3 option in Gmail to download all mail." > I don't see anything under "properties" that > restricts downloading to the past month. What am I not > doing right? Check your POP settings in TB!. If your username is your gmail address prefixed with "Recent:", you'll only get the last 30 days worth. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3.4 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Site dowload speed
Hi On Thursday 17 September 2020 at 10:37:15 AM, in , Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:- > could you please check > what is the download speed of the packages I downloaded the 64-bit around 9am on 20200908 and it took just over an hour. I downloaded it again around 10pm the same day and it took under two minutes. > and what are > the actual URL stated in the browser's download list? No list. I have my browser set to wipe history on exit. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Success isn't how far you got, but the distance you travelled from where you started Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message finder's count of found messages exceeds the number of results listed if the search scope includes virtual folders that also see the found messages
Hi On Wednesday 9 September 2020 at 6:40:35 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > Confirmed and note added. Thank you. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message finder's count of found messages exceeds the number of results listed if the search scope includes virtual folders that also see the found messages
Hi When the folders selected for a message search include a virtual folder that also "sees" some of the found messages, those messages are counted in both the real folder and the virtual folder. So the count of found messages exceeds the number of messages available in the results list. Open message finder. Enter search terms. Select folders. Do not include virtual folders. Hit "Start". All three message counts in the status bar will match the number of messages displayed in the results window. Add a virtual folder that will see some of the already-found messages. Hit "Start" again. Two of the three message counts in the status bar will have increased. The third will match the number of messages displayed in the results window. If you can confirm this, please consider adding a note to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2076. Thanks. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail
Hi On Tuesday 1 September 2020 at 11:43:33 AM, in , Peter Meyns wrote:- > The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without > PGP installed you > won't be able to verify the signature though. I can't verify the signature either: GnuPG hasn't found me a copy of Stefan's key. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> I think not, said Descartes, and promptly disappeared Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2.9 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail
Hi On Monday 31 August 2020 at 1:01:39 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Hello, > 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to > a letter stored _not_ >under the main "Inbox" folder. > 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or > hit + > 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an > error message / etc. > POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage. > Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report? I use POP3 but not OTFE. Cannot confirm. I get either a message search dialog, or a box saying the message is not marked as replied and asking if I think a reply was written. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at statistics! Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2.9 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ghost address
Hi On Wednesday 12 August 2020 at 10:05:15 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Where might I look for this mysterious address? Ideas > anyone? Probably just came from the message you received. Try looking at Options | Preferences | Address History for some ideas where to look. Also see Options | Preferences | Message Headers, select To or CC or BCC, then the Editing tab. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Triathlons are good exercise, assuming you�ve made a series of bad life decisions that result in you being hunted by an amphibious Ronald McDonald. Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
GMX mangling cutmarks (Was: Re: 9.2.1 - final MSI / Toolbar customisations lost?)
Hi On Sunday 5 July 2020 at 2:09:20 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > GMX cuts it off during transit. This was discussed > earlier. > -- Did you ever complain to GMX? I have a GMX account but I don't use it for mailing lists so had not noticed they started mangling cutmarks. Anyway, I complained to GMX a couple of weeks ago and today they tell me it's not something that will change soon because I am the only one who has reported it. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> All generalisations are dangerous, even this one. Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v 9.2.2?
Hi On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 9:08:02 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > has anyone installed this version yet? > Is the toolbar customization problem fixed? My customisation is "show button captions" and moving the "Send + Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail". I still have to set "show button captions" each time I restart TB! but the "Send + Check for All" button stays where I put it. YMMV. Somebody on TBBETA reported customising the antispamsniper toolbar is still not sticky. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Change is inevitable except from a vending machine Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd Behavior v9.2.1
Hi On Wednesday 8 July 2020 at 6:46:37 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > I don't know if it is just you or not. It is not a > general problem, at > least I have not seen it here. I find that in v 9.2.1 my menu customisation is lost each time I restart TB!. (My customisation is "show button captions" and moving the "Send + Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail".) -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Confusion is always the most honest response Using The Bat! Version 9.2.1 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Collapse all threads
Hi On Saturday 4 July 2020 at 4:01:18 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Surely there is a button to collapse all threads... > Somewhere. I have > used "menu navigator", but so far was unable to find > one. Any hints? I don't know about a button but the keyboard shortcut CTRL* expands/collapses all threads when the focus is in the message list. For a single thread, it's CTRL+ to expand and CTRL- to collapse. And "menu navigator" doesn't appear if I try from a "separate message viewer" folder window. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Working hard. Please interrupt at once. Using The Bat! Version 9.2.1 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v9.2.1
Hi On Wednesday 1 July 2020 at 5:29:02 PM, in , Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:- > Dear All, > Just wanted to let you know that version 9.2.1 is > now officially available :-) > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1.msi > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-1.msi Just to let you know that clicking Help | Check for Update from The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) still gets the reply "Your version of The Bat! is most current." -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> She looked like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth - or anywhere else. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree font
Hi On Sunday 21 June 2020 at 4:09:27 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts. Also, colour groups can define a font as well as a colour. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> COMMITTEE: A body that keeps minutes and wastes hours. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?
Hi On Wednesday 10 June 2020 at 10:40:45 AM, in , Marck Pearlstone wrote:- > I wouldn't have thought so. But I would think that > he might want an > incentive to invest the time into creating a > pass-on-able version of > the code and data. It's not trivial! That side of it is moot unless TB! still supports Roguemoticons. Under X:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images, I still have the "rogues.msl" file and the "rogues" folder containing the Roguemoticon image files. In the context menu when right-clicking in the header pane of the message viewer, I still have the option selected to "Display contact's photo" (and not the option to "Prefer photo from Address Book". But I don't see the Roguemoticon picture in the message header when I display an email that has a valid X-Rogue header. This has been the case for over three years, since TB! Version 7.4.16 or earlier. Has the required location for the "rogues.msl" file and the Roguemoticon image files changed? Is there another option that I need to set? Or does TB! simply not support Roguemoticons any more? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Kleptomaniac: a person who helps himself because he can't help himself. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?
Hi On Tuesday 9 June 2020 at 9:35:53 AM, in , Marck Pearlstone wrote:- >> On Sunday, 02 March 2008 at 12:13 The server has worked some of the time since then as it sent me a handful of "Someone new has joined or updated their image on Roguemoticons" emails between 2009 and 2013. Discussion on a TBUDL thread from November 2013 (Subject: Roguemoticons/Smileys) says TB! was displaying the Roguemoticon images. In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one person said several years. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The greatest of faults is to be conscious of none. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?
Hi On Monday 8 June 2020 at 6:22:33 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > So you're no longer getting the "internal server error"? The main point is I don't see the Roguemoticon images any more in the message header when viewing messages. The only images I now see in the message header are from address book entries. A secondary point is the server that hosted the Roguemoticon images, and emailed updates when an image was added or deleted, seems to not be performing as it used to. (In additiaddition, a filter used to pull the new image from the server and update my local rogues.msl file if a message came in with un unrecognised handle in the X-Rogues header.) -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?
Hi On Monday 8 June 2020 at 3:50:55 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > FWIW, the link you posted takes me to the PCWIZE.COM > WELCOME screen. That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without "Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same. Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back Machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/ A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header Marck Pearlstone Mark Partous MAU MFPA (me!) Peter Meyns Thomas Fernandez But I'm not convinced that it still does anything. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Are Roguemoticons still active?
Hi,
Are Roguemoticons still active?
I still have the rogues.msl file and the Rogues images folder in place
under Program Files\The Bat!\Images. But I don't see the images any
more in the message header when viewing messages, apart from a few
people for whom I have a photo in an address book entry.
I have not received any email notifications that "Someone new has
joined or updated their image on Roguemoticons" since November 2013. I
just tried logging on at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and it told
me:-
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and
was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the
time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server
error log.
I also have an incoming message filter called catch_rogue that I
vaguely recall was something to do with picking up Roguemoticons that
were not already on my machine.
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [02B2FF90.01CEE96F.230962BE.141169BB]
Name: catch_rogue
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Rogue`5`.\0D\0A}
ExportMessage FmtText filename
I:\5CThe\20Bat!\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log filenamerelative
%WDIR%\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log template
%_rogue\3D\22%OHEADER(X-Rogue)\22%-\0D\0A%_roguesmsl\3D\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues.msl\22%-\0D\0A%_allrogues\3D\22%PUT\3D\27%_roguesmsl\27\22%-\0D\0A%IF:~%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\22%_rogue\22%-\0D\0A%REGEXPMATCH(%_allrogues)~\3D~~:~\0D\0A%DATE\20%TIME\0D\0A%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/getrogue.php?id\3D%_rogue\22,%-\0D\0A\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A%_path\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27URL\5C:\5Cs(.*?)[\5Cs\5Cn]\27%REGEXPMATCH\3D\27%PUT\3D`%XMP_TempDir%-rogue`\27\22%-\0D\0A%_filename\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27.*\5C/(.*?)$\27%REGEXPMATCH(%_path)\22%-\0D\0A%IF:#%_path#<>##:#\0D\0A%_path\0D\0A%_filename\0D\0A%IF:`%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22%_path\22,%-\0D\0A\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22)%-\0D\0A`<>`1`:`%-\0D\0A\20ERROR!\20File\20not\20downloaded!\0D\0A`:`%XMP_FileAddLn(\27%_roguesmsl\27,%-\0D\0A\27Smiley\20\3D\20\22.\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22,\200,\20\22%_rogue\22\27)`%-\0D\0A#:#%-\0D\0AError!\20%_rogue\20has\20no\20picture\20on\20server.\0D\0A#%XMP_FileDel(\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A~%-
IsContinue
IsActive
IsCheckRule
Ignore
Hotkey 24658
endFilter
The file "The_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log" contains mainly entries like-
07 June 2020 12:44
Error! has no picture on server.
Is it time, after nearly 16 years, to retire my "X-Rogue" header?
--
Best regards
MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net>
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Re: Forwarding Filter
Hi On Friday 5 June 2020 at 6:26:22 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > Hello, > Friday, June 5, 2020, 10:18:03 AM, MFPA wrote: >> Are you looking at the log for the account the >> messages were moved >> FROM, or the log for the account where they ended up? > The one it's sent from. > But none of my account logs show received message info. I just noticed that my account logs are also not showing filter actions, except when I re-filter. Try selecting the message in the message list, then clicking "folder" at the top of the screen, then clicking "Re-filter", then select "incoming mail", "log filtering results", and "Re-filter selected messages only", then clicking "OK". -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> It's better to feed one cat than many mice Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forwarding Filter
Hi On Friday 5 June 2020 at 5:25:41 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > Strangely, I only see messages I sent logged in the > account log. And messages deleted by a filter. Is > there something I have to change in the settings? Are you looking at the log for the account the messages were moved FROM, or the log for the account where they ended up? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> INFLATION: Cutting money in half without damaging the paper. Using The Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change "From" field under a single account
Hi On Wednesday 20 May 2020 at 1:41:45 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Appreciate the idea, but the 1st sentence of my > message was: "How can I > change 'From' field under a single account?" I have done this in a couple of cases: configure an additional "account" within The Bat! using the same sending credentials as the main "account" at that domain. As far as the SMTP server is concerned it's the same account. No incoming server details needed as this "account" will not collect mail from the server. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Gypsy Dwarf Escapes Prison: Small Medium at large Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change "From" field under a single account
Hi On Monday 18 May 2020 at 12:23:23 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Hello, > How can I change "From" field under a single account? Type in the "from" field of the message editor. > Is there a way to add most used addresses so they > show in the drop-down > list? One way is to set up "accounts" in The Bat! for the most-used sending addresses. > And what about "Redirect" function? Its window has no > option to edit > "From" at all. When you redirect a message, the From address is still the original sender. You may find your outgoing mail server doesn't accept redirected messages. If the From address is changed to your address, you are forwarding the message instead of redirecting it. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Take my advice - I don't use it anyway. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hi On Monday 18 May 2020 at 2:02:10 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Excuse me, how is this relevant to the question asked? The original message, asking for a way to test if the value of a header field was larger or smaller than X, didn't give a context for where you wanted to perform that test. My reply signposted a way to do it with Macros which can be used, for example, in a reply or forward template. It transpires you were looking for a way to do it in message filters. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hi On Saturday 16 May 2020 at 11:41:35 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Could you please clarify? Would you use it via > "matches all as RegExp" > selector? I was thinking of the macros you use in message templates, etc. Try an internet search for: regex "number greater than" Or if the header field is a spam score, see if the tool can prefix the subject with a string (or put the string in a custom header) and match that string in your filter. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A fool and his money are soon partying Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hi On Thursday 14 May 2020 at 12:34:40 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Hello, > Is there a way to test if header field is greater or > smaller than "X"? If you mean the value of a specific header field is greater or smaller than "X", maybe the %IF or %IFN macro? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at statistics! Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Future of TB* mailing lists
Hi On Sunday 10 May 2020 at 2:51:30 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > groups.io: > - "your own domain" is a $200/month option. I would think most people with a mailing list at groups.io would use the free options, similar to hosting a group at yahoo but they just seem to work better. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Triathlons are good exercise, assuming you�ve made a series of bad life decisions that result in you being hunted by an amphibious Ronald McDonald. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Future of TB* mailing lists
Hi On Sunday 10 May 2020 at 3:06:11 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > * Increase size limits for attachments. Sounds sensible. > * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" > footer. I would vote to keep a footer informing of the current version and linking to info about the other TB* mailing lists. I think the FAQ linked from that info page has not been updated since I first started using TB! over 15 years ago. > * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one. Would that lead to more help for ordinary users' TB! issues? Or would their messages simply get lost among all the beta testers' messages? It would certainly be massively increased traffic compared to the current TBUDL, and most TBBETA traffic is likely not relevant to the needs of most current TBUDL users. > * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain. Why do they need their own domain? They are perfectly fine where Marck currently hosts them at silverstones.com. And many mailing lists are perfectly fine at one of the mailing list hosts such as groups.io, etc. > * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs. Silverstones.com does have HTTPS, with a self-signed certificate. > * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips. I thought that had been done a few years back at something called The Bat User Documentation Project (TBUDP) but I can't find a link at the moment. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's: She changes it more often. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TMP files
Hi On Tuesday 28 April 2020 at 3:34:01 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > I just noticed my wife's laptop HDD is almost full. I > ran WinDerStat to get a > visual representation of the contents of her HDD. The > results showed that at > least a quarter of the HDD space is taken up by .tmp > files, all in TB's folders. Wow! Is it a downloading issue? Maybe the anti-virus detecting an issue in the .tmp files and denying TB! access to them? (I think TB! creates a .tmp file for each incoming message and deletes the .tmp file when the message has been fully received (and similar for messages imported), but if something interrupts the process the .tmp file may not be deleted.) > Can I simply select all of TB's .tmp files and delete > them? Probably. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incorrect time stamps in *some* folders
Hi On Friday 24 April 2020 at 2:38:54 AM, in , Melissa Reese wrote:- > In my main account, I have "inbox" and "sent" folders > for various > individuals. I sent a few emails to one particular > person today, and > in the "created" column, they're all listed as having > been sent on 1 > January, 1970. I don't recall seeing this on messages in my sent folders, but have sometimes seen 1 January 1970 and found the message was missing the Date header. (I thought the server was supposed to add this if it was missing.) I've also seen dates early enough to be obviously wrong, and checked the message headers to find it actually does say that date. And I've seen anomalous "received" dates on imported messages. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Zorba the Greek - before he zorbas you Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?
Hi On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 8:10:05 PM, in , Melissa Reese wrote:- > Could you please let me know where to > set this up in > the options? Thanks! I was thinking of filters in the Sorting Office when I wrote that suggestion. Something like condition: any message; action: copy to a folder. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> What if the Hokey Cokey _is_ what it is all about? Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?
Hi On Wednesday 22 April 2020 at 6:19:21 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all > messages to myself. > Different folks, different strokes. Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming messages to IMAP accounts? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Only dead fish go with the flow Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?
Hi On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 1:13:38 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and > TheBat has no native > support for it (any more). Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP". > I'm back to POP only. However, there are > some people on > this list who prefer IMAP. Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something? > -- The trailing space seems to have dropped off your cut mark. At least in the copy I received. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Never trust a dog with orange eyebrows Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move message to spam folder
Hi On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 10:37:58 AM, in , ml-respo...@treadstone79.de wrote:- > Hi, > is there a way to manually move a message to the spam > folder using a > quick button? You could do something with Deletion and Alternative Deletion settings in Account Properties. Or you could probably do it with a common filter that's only executed by pressing a hotkey combination. > (The > button "Mark as Junk" > can't be used without a plugin.) (You could perhaps find a suitable plugin to install.) > Ideally, this function should choose the spam folder > of the correct > account as well: If using a filter, the filter action would be something like Move to the folder ..\Spam -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Something must be done. This is something. Therefore, we must do it. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hi On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > There will have been a reason for that, don't you think? Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta or release version? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hi On Monday 13 April 2020 at 2:41:35 PM, in , MFPA wrote:- > Hi Never mind what else I wrote. I have a gmail account I rarely use. I checked incoming mail and got the "certificate cannot be used for this purpose" error message. The solution that has worked for me for the last ten minutes is to use the command line parameter /tls_disable_ecdhe as suggested at https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en#recommended-answers. I'll just have to remember to remove the command line parameter when I migrate to a TB! version 9.1910 or higher. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hi On Sunday 12 April 2020 at 3:39:44 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > Interesting, because my error message mentions avast: >>[...] >>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Issuer: generated by >>avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail >>Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root. Avast inserts itself as a proxy or "man in the middle" to be able to scan the traffic on SSL/TLS/HTTPS connections. That's why the certificate says "generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning". That certificate is only used to encrypt the connection from Avast to The Bat!. A quick web search on "antivirus tls scanning" suggests that AVG and Kapersky do it this way as well Do you get the same if, under Options | S/MIME and TLS..., you tell The Bat! to use Microsoft CryptoAPI (Windows Certificate Store) instead of Internal Implementation (The Bat! Address Book)? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Filter question
Hi On Sunday 19 January 2020 at 8:36:15 PM, in , Marck Pearlstone wrote:- > It didn't cater for those in both groups. Ah, thanks. I couldn't see that for looking. I started with a more complicated solution and evidently simplified it too far; in my mind I still had that covered. (-: -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a risk? Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Filter question
Hi On Saturday 18 January 2020 at 9:33:55 AM, in , Marck Pearlstone wrote:- > Having seen the other answers, I note that the > actual working answer > hasn't been presented, so I'll give it a go. Out of interest, in what circumstance would my answer not work? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Rose rose to put rose roes on her rows of roses. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Filter question
Hi On Thursday 16 January 2020 at 8:16:41 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > Now, a few people have fallen out with each other, > and the group > is splitting into two, with some of the same people > being in both > groups, and others just in one or the other. If you are in both groups and haven't fallen out with anybody, easiest would be to ignore the split and treat it as still one group. > How can I filter the messages into two folders, > without getting mix-ups? I would think mix-ups are inevitable with or without automatic filtering. If somebody else in the group mixes up, the message they send might trigger the wrong filter when it gets to you. > Is it even possible? There are several ways this could be achieved. Here's a suggestion, which I have not tested. Filter_1 two conditions:- a - the sender is any address in the wider group b - the recipient contains all (or any) of the addresses that are only in SubGroup_1 Action - move all messages to the SubGroup_1 folder. Filter_2 two conditions:- a - the sender is any address in the wider group b - the recipient contains all (or any) of the addresses that are only in SubGroup_2 Action - move all messages to the SubGroup_2 folder. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> No man ever listened himself out of a job Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list
Hi On Friday 4 October 2019 at 12:58:02 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Good to know... Here is the same image: > https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png If it's always about the same amount of space, you could alter the column widths (or add extra columns to the display). -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> If you can't convince them, confuse them. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list
Hi On Tuesday 1 October 2019 at 2:38:02 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Hello, > Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill > the horizontal > space of the message list? Not that I know of. > Please see the screenshot > attached. I'm not sure the list allows attachments. None received here. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Confusion is always the most honest response Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hi On Thursday 12 September 2019 at 5:58:43 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > Right, but Ctrl+Z is actually and generally an > "Undo" last action. > What if you delete several messages and after a few > minutes, or hours > or days, you realize you erroneously deleted > one/some of them. What > should Ctrl+Z do then? I can't answer for Andrew but immediately after selecting several messages at once and deleting them together, I would expect Ctrl+Z to restore them all. Immediately after deleting several messages one at a time, I would expect Ctrl+Z to restore the last one deleted, then another Ctrl+Z to restore the previous one deleted, and so on until no further actions are stored to undo. > But, even after a restart, > you can browse your > deleted messages and select the one(s) you want to > undelete. Depending on your "Compact folders on exit" and "empty trash folder on exit" settings. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Gypsy Dwarf Escapes Prison: Small Medium at large Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hi On Tuesday 10 September 2019 at 11:44:01 AM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > Hi, > Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not > support CTRL+Z > for deleted messages? The browse deleted messages and undelete function is neat. But not so intuitive as a simple CTRL+Z. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Something must be done. This is something. Therefore, we must do it. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sig cutoff
Hi On Monday 9 September 2019 at 1:15:16 AM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Interesting. As you can see it didn't activate in my > reply either. Your cut mark in the message to which I am replying worked. If there is more than one cut mark in a message, only the last one works. And if a cut mark is quoted from a previous message, the quote prefix means it is no longer a valid cut mark as the two dashes and single space are not the only characters on the line. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sig cutoff
Hi On Wednesday 4 September 2019 at 3:47:41 AM, in , Chris Wilson wrote:- > I checked before posting this, delimiter is present, > two dashes and a > space. > -- > Chris Wilson Received with the delimiter intact. But for some reason it hasn't activated in my reply. I thought about looking for clues in the message source but was prevented by Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The best way to destroy your enemy is to make him your friend. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log entry definition
Hi On Tuesday 27 August 2019 at 10:53:17 PM, in , MFPA wrote:- > I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return > the "(64-bit)" > suffix. I just reported this at > https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809. It seems this was already addressed. There is now %THEBATVERSION(WITHBITS) and several other variants. See Max's reply to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic. Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log entry definition
Hi On Wednesday 28 August 2019 at 12:20:10 AM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Hmmm, interesting. When I open a command window the > first line says "Microsoft > Windows [Version 10.0.17134.950]". The only > difference is the last three > numbers. My Windows did a major update this morning and is now Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.295]. > The only odd thing I > see is your use of the "percent,dash" in two places > without anything following > it. That apparently made the difference but I don't > see how unless "percent,dash" > is just undocumented. In the help file's full alphabetic list of macros, "-" is the first on the list. You use it to create line breaks in the template without creating the corresponding line breaks in the message (which I do to make my templates easier to read). No idea why it should make any difference to the output from executing the windows version macros, but glad it helped. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Ultimate consistency lies in being consistently inconsistent Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving TB! and also getting a legacy copy download?
Hi On Tuesday 27 August 2019 at 6:29:59 PM, in , Chris Wilson wrote:- > I > can't get back my Folder View modes and my Colour > Groups, would anyone > know which files I need to grab from the old > installation to copy to > the new one? My Colour Groups seem to be defined in "COLORS.INI" in my mail folder. And I couldn't swear to it but the View Modes might be in "CONFIG.CDB" -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Wise men learn many things from their enemies. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log entry definition
Hi On Monday 26 August 2019 at 5:15:46 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > I just noticed that one of the macros in my sig no > longer works. You'll see that > none of the "Windows" macros returns the actual > version number which is 10. Any thoughts? My first thought is that I didn't realise "Windows 10" was an actual version number, rather than a marketing name like Windows 95/98/2000/ME/XP/Vista/7/8. However, when I open a command window the first line says:- Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.885] This seems to match the string "Windows 10.0 Build 17134" in my signature, so at least some of the Windows version macros work in TB! v8.8.2.5 (BETA)(64-bit). My template has %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION%-. The last one of those macros seems to return nothing, where I would have expected 885. I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return the "(64-bit)" suffix. I just reported this at https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> To know what we know, and know what we do not know, is wisdom. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is TBUDL using a new hosting domain?
Hi On Monday 26 August 2019 at 11:24:49 AM, in , Marck Pearlstone wrote:- > I have now corrected the "preferred domain" setting > so this should now > be corrected. Thank you. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> COMMITTEE: A body that keeps minutes and wastes hours. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! development pace, RitLabs support, Bugs.
Hi On Tuesday 30 July 2019 at 12:54:58 PM, in , Andrew Savchenko wrote:- > However, certain issues make me wonder about > priorities. Some examples: [snipped] Some issues reported at https://bt.ritlabs.com are attended to quickly, others go unresolved and/or unacknowledged for months or years. Some are resolved without ever being acknowledged. > 1. Is there a model of community engagement and some > transparency to > the development process? Developers have been known to red and reply on this list from time to time. There is also the TBBETA mailing list. https://web3.networkexchange.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/ > 2. Does anyones have a reliable communication channel > with the office > in Chisinau? I used in February 2019 to report a blocked login for the forum and the support centre on the ritlabs.com website. I sent my email at lunchtime on a Friday and the reply was sent on the Tuesday morning from Alexander Petrari. > Otherwise, safer > bet would be to go with the OpenSource solutions > (Claws, Thunderbird, > etc) where community is active, developers are within > the reach and > fixing the bug can be achieved by either helping > others or submitting > a pull request by oneself. Unfortunately, none of the open-source email solutions that I have tried hold a candle to The Bat!. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk there is a work station. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: encrypting messages
Hi On Tuesday 4 June 2019 at 3:08:56 AM, in , Avram Sacks wrote:- > What is S/MIME? > What is OpenPGP? They are standards for signing and encrypting. In both cases you generate a key or certificate. Sometimes called a key pair because it actually consists of a public part you share and a private part you keep safe. S/MIME uses Certificate Authorities (CA). You send them your certificate to sign as certificates that are only self-signed are not generally trusted. The CA may charge for the service and may carry out identity checks. It is likely a CA that doesn't charge will just check you can receive email at the address stated on the certificate. OpenPGP uses a "web of trust" where users can sign each other's keys. > Currently the bar reads "S/MIME + OpenPGP (auto)" That means that S/MIME and OpenPGP are both enabled and that PGP/MIME is set to "Auto". You can change these settings from the context menu that appears if you click that part of the status bar or select Privacy from the menu at the top. > What is happening automatically? If you are not actually signing or encrypting with an OpenPGP implementation, nothing. I think setting PGP/MIME to "Auto" allows TB! to automatically choose which method of OpenPGP to use, inline or PGP/MIME. This relates to how the signed or message is structured within the message source, and to whether the PGP begin/end lines and signature are concealed or visible in the message text. I don't recall seeing a description of how TB! makes this decision. > There are also a picture of a locak and a green "Sign when > complete" button to the right of the S/MIME + Open PGP (auto) bar. What do > those buttons do? You can select "Sign when Completed" or "Encrypt when completed". If you have a private key (also called a certificate) linked to your email address, you can sign outgoing messages. If you have a public key (certificate) linked to the recipient's email address, you can encrypt the message you are sending. > If I went to send an encrypted message to a client. What are the > steps that would permit me to do that? > I apologize, in advance, if this is discussed in a help file, but I > could not find a coherent discussion. Did you try, under Privacy and Security, The section called OpenPGP or the section called S/MIME? They are not the clearest but are worth a read. And maybe do a little research on the internet. Then come back with more specific questions. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> He's an environmentalist - his arguments are 100% recycled Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: encrypting messages
Hi On Wednesday 22 May 2019 at 6:59:30 AM, in , Avram Sacks wrote:- > For what it is worth, the bar at the bottom of the > message window, > on the far right reads "S/MIME + OpenPGP (auto)." > Does this have > anything to do with what I want to do? Yes. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a risk? Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level
Hi On Sunday 19 May 2019 at 6:27:58 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > Just tried it. When a folder has some sub-folders, > the counts Unread > an Total in the parent folder will show in > parenthesis the > corresponding counts of the sub-folders, I see that in ordinary folders. > except VFs > if they don't have > the option "Count in upper level" selected. No wonder I can't see any difference. I only have three virtual folders and their parent is "< Root Folder >", so there is no "upper level". Thank you for clearing that up for me. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Change is inevitable except from a vending machine Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level
Hi For virtual folders, in the properties dialog the Filter tab has a checkbox called "Count in upper level". What does this do? I can't see what effect it has, although I don't know what to look for. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: From address in message list
Hi On Friday 17 May 2019 at 5:21:57 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > I'm still a member on a few yahoo groups, and up > until recently, > under the "From" column in the message list window, > the name of the actual poster was shown. > Now, it only lists the yahoogroup address there. The > real posters > name is still on the header, once I look > at the message. This problem was introduced in TB! v8.2 in January 2018 [0]. we have improved The Bat! to made the following checks in the display name part of an address: if it contains an "@" character or any control character (such as "carriage return", "line feed" or "null" characters), then such a name part is discarded, and the user sees real email address rather than a fake one put to the sender’s name part. Yahoogroups messages provide the From header in the format "Name email address [group name]" Is there a way to change something in > the settings > to get that name shown again in the message list? Unfortunately not. It's an annoying nannying feature with no way to deactivate it. You could always persuade the groups to move from yahoo to a group provider that has a more sane way of providing the From header. As well as yahoogroups, it affects mail forwarded from Spamgourmet addresses, where the From header should be "sender name - sender email address" . I reported it on Ritlabs Issue Tracker [1] in February 2018. Aswell as not fixing it, so far the developers have failed to acknowledge it. [0] https://www.ritlabs.com/en/news/7059/ [1] https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435 -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Two wrongs don't make a right. But three lefts do. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move Templates
Hi On Friday 26 April 2019 at 6:51:03 PM, in , Richard Newman wrote:- > I'm changing my primary email account to a new one. > Is there a > way to move Templates from one account to another? (I > understand > sharing but I want to get rid of the account where > the templates were originally created. I don't know of a way other than copy/paste. Or you could change the address on your primary account in TB! to the new email address. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> During an eruption - move away from the volcano - not towards it Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG?
Hi Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG for debugging purposes? TB! fails to decrypt some of the encrypted messages I receive, giving as it's error message a portion of GnuPG's output (but not the part saying what went wrong). If use GnuPG on the command line and copy in the text from the body of the encrypted message, the message is decrypted without error. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Did you hear? They took the word gullible out of the dictionary Using The Bat! v8.8.2.5 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Toolbar icon sizes
Hi On Saturday 23 March 2019 at 4:45:25 PM, in , Susanne wrote:- > is there a way to make the toolbar icons smaller, > but not super tiny? > So far, I've only found the option to use "menu > icons", which makes them really, really small. I have "toolbar icons" or "menu icons" options, but switching between the two makes no noticeable difference. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The truth is out there. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more Gmail?
Hi On Thursday 21 March 2019 at 10:40:35 PM, in , Paul F. Siebern wrote:- > I just got this message from Google Accounts: One of my email accounts is gmail and I have received no such notification. > So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts > with The Bat! ? Aslius wrote in the TBBETA mailing list [0]: "Don't worry, we updated TheBat! access and it will work with GMail after 31 of March." and "All existing versions of TheBat! which are work with Gmail for the moment - will work after end of month without any actions from user's site. No need to do any action or update application. TheBat is being reverified by Google." So, no reason for panic at the moment! [0] Thread starting at <https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg111235.html>. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> People who throw kisses are hopelessly lazy. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternate Threading Options?
Hi On Wednesday 20 March 2019 at 6:13:53 PM, in , Steven P Vallière wrote:- > I am hoping and praying that this is some other way for > TheBat to thread messages that is independent of and > more reliable than similarity of subject lines. The standard way of threading is by the References header. TB! has nine threading options, seven of which ignore the Subject header. > and I would want to get rid of the external tag and the > space before (or after) it. I'm not sure you can edit the Subject within TB! for an incoming or received message. [0] shows an example of two filters and a batch command to export the message, edit in a text editor, and import the message back to TB!. Note it is called "Editing received messages without changing the headers" so you might need to adapt it to be able to edit the Subject header. If you want to automatically clean the subject line when you reply to their messages, you could probably adapt the example at [1] for your needs. I have not tried any of these myself. The links below are to a Wayback Machine archived copy because the page because the original page is currently unavailable. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20070705050832/http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#edit_a_received_message [1] <https://web.archive.org/web/20070705050832/http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#clean_subject> -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> No matter where you go, there you are. Using The Bat! v8.8.2.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Roguemoticons
Hi all, Do Roguemoticons no longer work, is it just me, or is there an option I may have inadvertently turned off? I have the X-Rogue header in my outgoing emails but no longer see my Roguemoticon image in the header pane when viewing my messages. I have the rogues.msl file present in my Program Files\The Bat!\Images directory, and also the rogues folder containing the images. I asked a similar question nearly two years ago [0] and didn't see a response. A search for the X-Rogue header on my mailbase shows that since my April 2017 query, as well as my messages it has also still been included in messages from Greg Strong, Marck Pearlstone, Mark Partous, MAU, Peter Hampf, Robin Anson, Volker Ahrendt, and Thomas Fernandez. In the previous two years the list also included Stuart Cuddy, Rick , Peter Meyns, Jack S. LaRosa, and Feli Wilcke. If any of you are reading this, do you still see Roguemoticon images in the header pane? [0] https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg103567.html -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Always be on the lookout for conspicuousness Using The Bat! v8.8 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can macros be used to create a unique filename?
Hi On Tuesday 26 February 2019 at 5:19:16 AM, in , Ian A. White wrote:- > My question is if the date macro can be used to > automatically create > this date tagged backup file? If so (and hoping), any > tips? I don't know, but if not you could try using the %date% environment variable in your filename. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> The trouble with words is that you never know whose mouths they've been in. Using The Bat! v8.8 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reset Gmail
Hi On Saturday 2 February 2019 at 3:56:04 PM, in , Richard L de S Clauson wrote:- > I'd not heard of the "recent:" prefix before, and > haven't Googled about it, > but I suspect, based on some of the other replies, > that it may be an IMAP4 > feature. As far as I can see, it's a gmail-specific and POP-specific feature. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Using The Bat! v8.7 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Out-of-date "Current Version" in the footer added to list messages
Hi The footer added to TBUDL messages needs the "Current Version" updated. (-; -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose Using The Bat! v8.7 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reset Gmail
Hi On Monday 7 January 2019 at 8:56:24 PM, in , Richard Newman wrote:- > I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my > machine. I > downloaded another batch and got another 500ish circa > 2014 emails. Strange. It works for my old gmail account that I rarely use. Previously fetched emails last May. Just fetched mails and the created dates range from 09/12/2018 to today. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A picture is a poem without words Using The Bat! v8.7 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reset Gmail
Hi On Monday 7 January 2019 at 6:41:49 PM, in , Richard Newman wrote:- > Is there a way to reset something so TB will only > download current > new messages? Or, do I have to keep on downloading > 450-500 at a time until everything is current? At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no quotes and no spaces). Then you only get the last 30 days or so of emails. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at statistics! Using The Bat! v8.7 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding accounts in Account Tree
Hi On Saturday 8 September 2018 at 3:09:49 PM, in , Adrian Godfrey wrote:- > That is tricky when they are duplicated in the > account tree. Yes. I was answering the text I quoted, not the other question about duplicates. ;-) > Deleting the account.cfg and doing the registry edits > fixes it (except > the account tree is now in a different order) for the > first time The Bat is started afterwards, but the > duplicates come back > some time later and on subsequent restarts of The Bat. I'm convinced when I had an account that appeared twice, the solution I used was to add a new account with a similar name, then close down TB!, then (in Windows Explorer) copy all files from the old account's folder to the new account's folder, then start TB!, delete the old account from the account list, and rename the new one to have the same name. > But why do the duplicates happen in the first place? I don't know. It only happened once for me so far with an account. I also had it with address books just after moving to a new computer. > but is there a way to set either "ignore > check all accounts" > and/or reset all accounts so that no scheduled > checking for new mail > happens in one place without having to go into the > properties of each > account one at a time? I think you can add scheduled checking for new mail in the Scheduler tool, with check-boxes to select the accounts. But that would be independent of the settings in each account's properties. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> "Just" is a four-letter word Using The Bat! v8.5.6 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding accounts in Account Tree
Hi On Friday 7 September 2018 at 12:53:39 AM, in , Sam Brown wrote:- > how can I tell > TB! which accounts to display and which to hide from > the Account Tree? You can delete the accounts you don't want shown. TB! gives you the choice to leave the account files on disk, so that you could later re-add the account and still have the old messages and folders. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> We're all shipwrecked on this idea that everything has to be explained. Using The Bat! v8.5.6 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moderators Announcement
Hi On Saturday 28 July 2018 at 12:44:00 PM, in , MAU wrote:- > Don't worry. Marck has already reverted the settings > till they find a > better solution. That's great news! It's still a shame the bug <https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435> has not been corrected yet. Despite Marck's claim in <https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg110620.html> that "TB is just showing you what is there. No more, no less." my TB! displays all senders in the message list for a Yahoo group as just the group's email address, but only for messages downloaded since I upgraded to TB! 8.2. Granted that when you actually view the "sendername senderemail [listname]" . Searching on SENDER contains SENDERNAME only brings up results that were downloaded pre-8.2. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Two wrongs don't make a right. But three lefts do. Using The Bat! v8.5.6 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moderators Announcement
Hi On Monday 23 July 2018 at 11:15:08 PM, in , tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:- > Hi T'Buddlers, > Change to list settings > --- > I have received the following request from Max > Masiutin to modify the > way the list addresses out bound mail and have > changed the Mailman > settings accordingly. That is a pity as it gives false information. The messages are sent _to_ the list, they do not originate _from_ the list. Will it make this list suffer from the bug that was introduced in TB! 8.2, which I reported at <https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435>? Not being able to see from the message list display who posted which message is a major irritation on lists affected by that bug. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars Using The Bat! v8.5.6 on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Only Current G-Mail
Hi On Thursday 21 June 2018 at 7:56:18 PM, in , Richard Newman wrote:- > How can I tell TB to load only the most recent > emails . . . just as > it does with three other Gmail accounts? Assuming you are using POP to download your messages from your Gmail account, within The Bat! go to Account Options | Transport tab | Receive Mail section and add "recent:" (without quotes, and with no space after the colon) to the front of your user name. Gmail should then not download messages more than 30 days old. (Make sure to add it only for the POP settings, not the SMTP.) For more info, try googling something like "gmail recent mode". -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A picture is a poem without words Using The Bat! v8.3.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub-filtering across accounts
Hi On Tuesday 5 June 2018 at 7:26:19 AM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote:- > Yes. But since the mails are arriving there by > filter and not by > downloading, these filters are not triggered. Is the option "continue processing with other filters" selected in your filter that moves the messages to Account B? Also, why the two-step process? You could do away with the first filter and move messages straight from Account A Inbox to the required folder in Account B. I did away with per-account filters long ago and switched to Common filters instead, which I find far easier. I would suggest giving them a try. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Does anybody really read these things? Using The Bat! v8.3.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Accounts showing multiple times in the tree
Hi On Saturday 2 June 2018 at 9:43:30 PM, in , Adrian Godfrey wrote:- > Is there a way to force a refresh of the > account tree that would > remove the duplicates and only leave the account > there once? I had that with an account a few years ago. I deleted the account from TB", selecting the option to keep the account files on disk. Then I created a "new" account with the same name and pointed it to the existing account files. (First I made a copy of the account files in case anything went wrong.) -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else Using The Bat! v8.3.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0 Build 17134 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
efail exploit
Hi I see the publishers of the "efail" exploit have said [0] The Bat! is not vulnerable when decrypting OpenPGP emails, but for S/MIME there is an exfiltration channel that requires user interaction. [0] https://efail.de/#disclousure -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you. Using The Bat! v8.3.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails
Hi On Saturday 3 March 2018 at 10:19:09 PM, in <mid:1933950442.20180303141...@gmail.com>, Susanne wrote:- > Hello, > does someone have any advice how to accomplish this > with a Gmail Imap account in TB: > I want to archive messages older than a certain date > in TB, and delete them in gmail. > Is this possible with filters? This is what I do for POP accounts. I have no IMAP accounts so do not know if it translates. I got the idea from MAU on this list over ten years ago, and I may as well paste in his description:- On Wednesday 10 January 2007 at 1:32:49 PM, in <mid:50628043.20070110143...@rancho-k.com>, MAU wrote:- > Hello Lex, >> Is there a way i can do this or something very >> similar in the bat! ? > Similar and from my POV even better and easier. I got > the idea from > someone else (don't remember who), but this is what I > do: > - I have a password protected account (will explain > later why it is > password protected) that I call 'Archive'. > - This Archive account duplicates the folder tree > structure of my main > account. Actually, it just duplicates the folder I do > want to archive. > - In the Properties/General of each of the folders of > my main account > that I want to archive, I tick the option 'Keep > messages in the vase for > (days)' and enter the NN number of days. > - In Properties/Deletion, I tick the 'Use folder > specific deletion > settings' option. > - Then, for 'Alternative deletion' I select 'Move to > the specified > folder' and, of course, I browse to select the > corresponding folder in > the 'Archive account'. > - And also tick the box for 'Use alternative deletion > for purging this > folder'. > And that is it. As I have said, I do this in each of > the folder I do > want to archive. Now, when every night I run ?folder > Maintenance with > the Purge and Compress option, the 'old messages' in > each folder are > automagically moved to the corresponding folder in > the Archive account. > What's the benefit of doing this? Well, as I said at > the beginning, the > Archive account is password protected. This way, when > you start TB, it > will not open any password protected account and > 'waste time' in opening > each of it folders. Only when I need to find an > archived message is when > I select my Archive account, enter the password and > open it. > One other thing I do to easily remember which folders > I have set up for > 'automatic archiving' is to assign these folders to > an 'Archive Colour > Groups' (blue in my case). This way, I can easily see > in my folder tree > which folder do have an corresponding archive one. > I'm really happy with this set-up. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> An idealist is a person who helps other people to be prosperous Using The Bat! v8.2.8.2 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which New Message Template?
Hi On Monday 5 March 2018 at 5:05:13 PM, in <mid:446605705.20180305170...@parkinch.co.uk>, Tony Hoare wrote:- > Does anyone know how to find which templates exist > and are active? I do not know where The Bat! stores them by default. But there are ways around this. > You can have a template at the account level, the > folder level > within an account, an address book group and an > individual contact. The folder level does not have to be within an account: you can have Folder Templates in Common Folders, too. > I need to update the new mail template but I have > used it (with > minor variations) in many folders. Is there a way to > find them all? Maybe somebody knows a quick way to find them. I don't but I made it easier for myself. I learned most of this from this list but unfortunately cannot remember who to credit. As you need to update it anyway, I suggest you look at building it up from Quick Templates. That way, next time you just change the info in the QT and the change carries through to all your varying versions of the new message template. Another suggestion is to use the %include macro in the message templates to point to a text file. For example, one of my new message templates just says:- %INCLUDE="%maildir%\templates\new_msg_template_general.txt"%- The actual template is in the text file it points to, and I keep all of them in the same folder. In that case, the text file says:- %SetEditor="1"%- %QT="Std_Header"%- %- Hi %UCFIRST="%TOFName" %Cursor %- %QT="Std_Signature"%- %- %nopgpmime%- (My Quick Templates are also just a %include macro, but they point to text files in a quick_templates subdirectory of the templates folder.) -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight Using The Bat! v8.2.8.2 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! 8.2 Incorrect display of "From" column in message list for Yahoo Group messages and Spamgourmet Messages
Hi Yahoo Group messages provide the From header in the format "Name email address [group name]" . In the "From" column of the message list, TB! used to show Name email address [group name]. Since updating to TB! v8.2 it has now switched to displaying group email address instead. So all messages appear to come from the group email address without a member's name. You cannot determine which member posted a message until you click on that message and can see the headers. It also makes it harder to locate a particular message as you can no longer sort by the "From" column. Messages forwarded from Spamgourmet addresses to your real email address also suffer from this change. They no longer display as "sender name - sender email address" ; now the "From" column just shows the obscured email address to reply from the Spamgourmet address. It appears to be deliberate behaviour [0] but has seriously eroded the user experience. [0] <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7047/>. Has anybody else experienced this? -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Wait. You think I'm right? Using The Bat! v8.2.8.2 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder font issues.
Hi On Tuesday 20 February 2018 at 1:00:21 PM, in <mid:1918431408.20180220080...@tranquilrefuge.net>, Gene Kearns wrote:- > No, the generic color group is in use for all folders. Do the folders that are a different font or weight contain unread messages, or anything else that the generic colour group's settings would cause to display differently? Failing that, it might be worth a try to change the ones that display differently to another colour group, then close and re-open The Bat!, and then change them back to the generic colour group. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you. Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder font issues.
Hi On Monday 19 February 2018 at 6:00:51 PM, in <mid:648011378.20180219130...@tranquilrefuge.net>, Gene Kearns wrote:- > Hello MFPA, > I have a few folders that are not the same > font and > font-weight as the other folders. I cannot find > where to > correct this. can anyone help? You probably have a Colour Group applied to these folder names. Change it at Folder | Colour Group. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Beware the deadly donkey falling slowly from the sky Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting/importing address books
Hi On Friday 16 February 2018 at 1:34:58 AM, in <mid:95511018.20180215193...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Over the years I have somehow managed to create three > address books. I wanted to > export them to a file I could edit and so chose to > export all three to comma > separated (.csv) files. Why not copy all entries from each address book directly to a new one within TB! and delete the duplicates there? (If you use address book groups that have "hide items if not specifically selected" checked in their options, you would need to either copy members of these groups separately or remove this checkmark before selecting all entries in the address book to copy.) > What am I missing? Is there any possibility that you didn't delete the whole line when deleting the duplicate entries? A long shot, but all I could think of. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A picture is a poem without words Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB / Windows 10 / Outlook 2010
Hi On Tuesday 30 January 2018 at 2:53:49 AM, in <mid:1143119402.20180129205...@4getspam.xxx>, Greg Strong wrote:- > Hello TBUDL, > I've upgraded my old HP PC tower to Windows 10 a > few months ago with > no problems using TB. > Without getting into the reason I wanted to > install Outlook 2010. > After installing Outlook 2010 TB window was > hidden. Using > Windows 10 Task Manager I was able to see TB process, > but not see > the TB window. Just a suggestion. I do not have Outlook installed. Try Windows start button | type "default " (no quotes) into the search box | select "default app settings" | clixk on whatever is set for email | Click The Bat! -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Those who do not read are no better off than those who cannot. Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message has not been sent
Hi On Friday 26 January 2018 at 6:29:33 PM, in <mid:26209793.20180126122...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > I was trying to forward an email and it kept getting > denied, ostensibly by > Charter (my ISP). But when I click on the part of the > denial that says: > Please visit http://www.charter.com/postmaster, I get > a 404 error from Charter > (now Spectrum). www.charter.con diverts to www.spectrum.com and you get the 404 error because they have no page with the address www.spectrum.com/postmaster. If you are contacting them, I'd suggest pointing it out to give them the opportunity to fix the redirect and/or the email error message. By complete fluke, I found https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/charter-postmaster-services/ That page has a section tilted "Email Security Alerts" which says:- Spectrum customers with compromised or infected computers who are broadcasting outbound spam or virus-infected email won't be able to send email messages and will receive an error 554 Email Security Alert. To resolve this issue: Send us the original blocked email in one of two ways: Open the original message in your sent folder, update the address to unbl...@charter.net and send it. Create a new message addressed to unbl...@charter.net, copy and paste the original message, and then resend. Resend the email to the original recipient 48 hours later as a test. If you're still having problems, contact us https://www.spectrum.net/page/contact-us/. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> A closed mouth gathers no foot Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Autofill suggestions
Hi On Saturday 6 January 2018 at 5:32:46 AM, in <mid:1098290187.20180105233...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > Actually, no. Even if I had known to do that I > wouldn't have known what I was > looking at. Here's a link to the image in Dropbox: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk40w088pvengwg/2018-01-05%2023_27_41-The%20Bat%21.png?dl=0 > Take a look at <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/70/#6640>. Only part of the page is relevant, then it moves on to address book synchronisation. And while I was googling for that, I found <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic6643/message25311/#message25311> where Roelof Otten says:- You can play with the auto-fill options (per address field) at: Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor -> Message Header -> To: -> Edit -> 'Editing' tab The autofill options can be configured per header, so instead of 'To:' you can aso select CC: or BCC: -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> Versifiers write poems for it. Using The Bat! v7.4.16.14 (BETA) on Windows 10.0 Build 16299 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
