Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Congratulatons Lads, On your new sponsorship It is good news for the OpenBSD usercommunity, great for funding of existing great initiatives or other new initiatives, It is good news for Microsoft users if Microsoft chooses to implement great stable software such as open SSH and Libre SSL in their own product offerings, Microsoft users can benefit making software from the good quality audited code that you guys produce. I also think it is cool that Microsoft supported the foundation in such public manner... it is cool that they recognise in some way your contibution to computer users the world over... and it is cool that they showed it in cash :) PS I do hope they use Open SSH in Power Shell, :) and use Libre SSL in software that presents SSL encrytped Services ... As a user of both Microsoft and Open BSD ( I use each in very differing circumstances) Im pleased with the news... best of luck to the core developers and the guys working hard in the open BSD foundation keep up the great work, well done Sorry for writing this on Tech Mailing list :/ but felt I had to reply... -- Kindest regards, Tom Smyth Mobile: +353 87 6193172 - PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS E-MAIL This email contains information which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify me by telephone or by electronic mail immediately. Any opinions expressed are those of the author, not the company's .This email does not constitute either offer or acceptance of any contractually binding agreement. Such offer or acceptance must be communicated in writing. You are requested to carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Thomas Smyth accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by malicious software or attachments.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Theo de Raadt, 11 Jul 2015 11:43: it flatters me somewhat that you read so much into my simple astonishment about a news item that does in most geek circles provoke the response no way, hell froze over. I quote from your original mail: this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. Have all the other sponsors contributed for only the right reasons over the 20 years? i always wanted to do a bsd based soap. TDR: You did not show simple astonishment -- you judged a sponsor. FH: can't you just accept the fact that i was _happy_ for the foundation? that despite feeling betrayed by the fact that my favourite OS accepted stolen money from a convicted monopolist... TDR: Enough Leech! You have an agenda! sorry, couldn't resist. This is our house, and you don't get to insult guests who bring a generous green salad to the party. That is how you become uninvited. said Mr Goebels to Mrs Goebels after Hitler left the dinner party. sorry, couldn't resist again. gasp, so now a bsd developer tells me i cannot judge (not that i did) microsoft on an open mailing list, after said microsoft just donated a bucket of money to said bsd developer's project? you can't make this up, life immitates art. jesus, you really sound like an american now. what's next, you gonna sue me? get a grip man, you are monty python heritage! in a private email of yours you said you know zero about microsoft, as you did not have to use it ever. lucky you! i wish i could have had that luxury of ignoring them the same way i could now. because i know a bit about microsoft and some of their products as i have been following them for the last 20 years. so excuse me when a piece of news like this hits i become alert, just like 90% of the other non-freaks out there. i am sure KRW felt way more surreal writing that press release than any of us reading it. why single me out when 90% of the mailing list was thinking exactly. the. same. so who has an agenda now? -f -- down with TLAs! (three letter acronyms)
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
it flatters me somewhat that you read so much into my simple astonishment about a news item that does in most geek circles provoke the response no way, hell froze over. I quote from your original mail: this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. Have all the other sponsors contributed for only the right reasons over the 20 years? You did not show simple astonishment -- you judged a sponsor. Others on the day of that donation also crossed similar lines, some implying that the donation was been accepted for the wrong reasons. This is our house, and you don't get to insult guests who bring a generous green salad to the party. That is how you become uninvited.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Theo de Raadt, 09 Jul 2015 21:08: As a group (with me and others as the proxy) we do ask for companies to help fund us from time to time, and this benefits everyone as a result of the common advancements. As for output, there is no discrimination as to their cause, because that is not our oversight/job. The general guidelines for access to software is CLEAR in the licence. Yet you clearly state that we should have some restrictive agenda, Mr. Do-Nothing-Except-State-Position. i wrote no such thing in my email. not. even. close. it flatters me somewhat that you read so much into my simple astonishment about a news item that does in most geek circles provoke the response no way, hell froze over. as a leech, i am of course more than happy when the project receives funding, no matter the source. this whole tirade (including your private mails, that leech etiquette forbids me to quote on an open mailing list) comes off mildly amusing considering you yourself foulmouthed a huge donour in the past (hint hint us army money) and in turn they took their ball and went home. now that was damaging. my email? oh, please. get a grip man. In essence, you are a loudmouth and a leech. i am sorry that since i started using openbsd, i sent its way only around 600 euros for releases, t-shirts, hats, and mugs; not much perhaps, but i find that windows users generally never reach this amount, not by choice anyway. i am also sorry that i couldn't send more and better patches, or maintain more ports than i do. my contribution overall might not be much (for whatever value of much), but a pure leech i am definitely not, no matter how much you try to paint me as one. of course, by your logic all openbsd users are leeches by definition. maybe a non-leech community member is one that pays your whole salary or what? you can't have both: inviting people to contribute no matter how litle to the project, and then turn around and call them leeches. that is not how a community works, and sadly you could not learn that even in 20+ years. and the other bit, the DO MORE FOR ME one is getting really really old and boring. i never ever asked for a feature for myself. simple smooth operation of the OS on all my gear is my ultimate goal, a goal every single member of this community shares. if you consider bug reports requests to do work for others, maybe you should be running a closed commercial project. -f -- raising your voice does not reinforce your argument.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:47:31PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: Other verbiage aside guys - sorry Frantisek, I might not agree with Theo's level of rancor, but No, Your statement for all the wrong reasons is insulting to all of us, and more developers should speak out about it. Yep, what is entirely a good thing for OpenBSD is being used by conspiracy theorists to promote their own agenda. I certainly hope the paranoia of a few trolls here on the mailing lists doesn't deter future sponsors from contributing. -ml I will speak somewhat out of turn here, and tell you I know for a fact because I have been witness to it that year, a donor (who I will not name) offered the foundation to meet it's *ENTIRE FUNDRAISING GOAL* for this 2015, the only condition was that they could brand the OpenBSD Web pages as and put links on them as a sponsor. Not having any control of the OpenBSD web pages, the Foundation directors replied that they couldn't do that, but they could and would be listed as a donor. The donor then declined and went away. 1) The foundation owns no rights to OpenBSD, whatsoever. (Unlike FreeBSD and NetBSD, the OpenBSD foundation is not a rights holder and owns no code, or OpenBSD). The foundation exists only to support OpenBSD and chooses how to do that. (Theo is actuall not a part of it, he makes requests of the foundation). 2) In light of what I've told you above, The very thought that the directors of the foundation and the OpenBSD developers would somehow sell out for what is, while very much appreciated, a relatively small amount of money is so ridiculous it is insulting. Your wild speculation is irrational, and insulting to me and good friends of mine. If you want to go look for conspiracies of corporate and government control you should be looking under a different HAT. Please apologize and let it drop, or leave our mailing lists and do not return. Thanks -Bob On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: it flatters me somewhat that you read so much into my simple astonishment about a news item that does in most geek circles provoke the response no way, hell froze over. I quote from your original mail: this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. Have all the other sponsors contributed for only the right reasons over the 20 years? You did not show simple astonishment -- you judged a sponsor. Others on the day of that donation also crossed similar lines, some implying that the donation was been accepted for the wrong reasons. This is our house, and you don't get to insult guests who bring a generous green salad to the party. That is how you become uninvited.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Other verbiage aside guys - sorry Frantisek, I might not agree with Theo's level of rancor, but No, Your statement for all the wrong reasons is insulting to all of us, and more developers should speak out about it. I will speak somewhat out of turn here, and tell you I know for a fact because I have been witness to it that year, a donor (who I will not name) offered the foundation to meet it's *ENTIRE FUNDRAISING GOAL* for this 2015, the only condition was that they could brand the OpenBSD Web pages as and put links on them as a sponsor. Not having any control of the OpenBSD web pages, the Foundation directors replied that they couldn't do that, but they could and would be listed as a donor. The donor then declined and went away. 1) The foundation owns no rights to OpenBSD, whatsoever. (Unlike FreeBSD and NetBSD, the OpenBSD foundation is not a rights holder and owns no code, or OpenBSD). The foundation exists only to support OpenBSD and chooses how to do that. (Theo is actuall not a part of it, he makes requests of the foundation). 2) In light of what I've told you above, The very thought that the directors of the foundation and the OpenBSD developers would somehow sell out for what is, while very much appreciated, a relatively small amount of money is so ridiculous it is insulting. Your wild speculation is irrational, and insulting to me and good friends of mine. If you want to go look for conspiracies of corporate and government control you should be looking under a different HAT. Please apologize and let it drop, or leave our mailing lists and do not return. Thanks -Bob On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: it flatters me somewhat that you read so much into my simple astonishment about a news item that does in most geek circles provoke the response no way, hell froze over. I quote from your original mail: this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. Have all the other sponsors contributed for only the right reasons over the 20 years? You did not show simple astonishment -- you judged a sponsor. Others on the day of that donation also crossed similar lines, some implying that the donation was been accepted for the wrong reasons. This is our house, and you don't get to insult guests who bring a generous green salad to the party. That is how you become uninvited.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Kenneth R Westerback, 08 Jul 2015 10:13: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. sad world when even ms realises openssh's importance, (even while not supporting it out of box natively) while the other big open source players are just feeding off of it. speechless. Frantisek, With respect, and at the same none at all due to what you say; I know very little about you except what I see historically. This mailing list contains hundreds of people. You have been around for a long time. You know the general agenda which is 20+ years old. Yet here you broadcast just your own, acting like it has any acceptance at all; furthermore you seem to expect validation of your own agenda without consideration of the fact that it is not at all like our general agenda; in fact, you do not put any limiters to indicate so. Therefore: You are welcome to provide the same revenue, and I will personally argue that the OpenBSD Foundation should return what Microsoft gave them; my understanding being that it was without any strings. So pony up all the cash, to match the efforts by hundreds over two decades, and I will gladly validate your opinions as having some value greater than negative to the greater community. Luckily, saying that to you is just a prank. My historical analysis indicates you are just a tiny/tinny loudmouth, who accidentally hurts the people who have spent over two decades building good software. You have some hateful agenda entirely unlike our own (by own, I consider the rough consensus of 500+ openbsd developers over two decades). Your comments are entirely disassociated with the general project guidelines of writing software which anyone can use, to advance the state of the art, without restriction. To keep it simple: Where are you coming from, Mr. Do-Nothing? As a group (with me and others as the proxy) we do ask for companies to help fund us from time to time, and this benefits everyone as a result of the common advancements. As for output, there is no discrimination as to their cause, because that is not our oversight/job. The general guidelines for access to software is CLEAR in the licence. Yet you clearly state that we should have some restrictive agenda, Mr. Do-Nothing-Except-State-Position. In essence, you are a loudmouth and a leech. I've been working on this community for two decades. It is my right to call you out for your destructive words. Few are in the position where they can say your words cause harm. Few have as much insight. You have zero insight. You only harbour a general hate and want to change our direction. You have no skin in the game. When the BBQ gets lit up, you are the just a sparrow flitting away down the alley in search of a place to hide. I'm looking at your record of postings in various forums. You add ZERO value. You have spent almost a decade demanding we do more, more, MORE, DO FUCKING FOR ME MORE DEVELOPERS, yet I've never seen your name show up elsewhere of consequence to actually solve the costs behind advancing the state of the art of free options. Yet you feel qualified to tell us this pattern is wrong. Unfortunately, it is a sad world filled with Holops who have done VERY LITTLE, and then deride funding opportunities, very late in the game; for what many of have simply done sans funding for decades. The problem here is simple. Holop has an specific agenda that is not generally held! For everyone following allong, please find the original IPF removal commit message for guidance. The standard is to advance the industry. In general, we don't care about people who whine and try to apply their agenda towards us, but in your case I must make an exception. I think it is high time people like you FIND A MIRROR. You are the specific cause of the situation you so deride. Frantisek, you have absolutely no right to speak like you do. You are a pure-form leech, and leeches should not preach. Please leave our userbase instantly; I am afraid someone in this community might accidentally make a mistake of fixing a bug you care about (and you made it clear you care about nothing else except your own leechy agenda). Frantisek, it would be easier if you just went away. I hate writing these mails, editing them, and creating a disaster. Perhaps you should stop pissing off people who try hard by stabbing yourself with a knife, repeatedly. I don't know if that would work. Maybe you will return as a zombie and say the same things again.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Kenneth R Westerback, 08 Jul 2015 10:13: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. sad world when even ms realises openssh's importance, (even while not supporting it out of box natively) while the other big open source players are just feeding off of it. speechless. -f -- the current death rate? one per person, of course.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Jul 9, 2015, at 17:06, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: Kenneth R Westerback, 08 Jul 2015 10:13: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. this is very impressive news, although for me for all the wrong reasons. sad world when even ms realises openssh's importance, (even while not supporting it out of box natively) This is in connection with them integrating it into powershell. The Windows people I work with are very excited about this. It dramatically improves their toolset for administration. Which just serves to make your point, yes. While other vendors have given none as much. while the other big open source players are just feeding off of it. speechless. -f -- the current death rate? one per person, of course.
Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. Donations to the Foundation can be made on our Donations Page at www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html We can be contacted regarding corporate sponsorship at fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org.
