Re: Jaws For Windows
to answer your question FS is still dealer based and they do not offer any payment plans on anything so I recall. Sorry to be the barer of bad news. I hope someone can be the bareer of good news. lol! On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all This is my first E-Mail to anybody for a very long time, so I must say it's good to be back. In the hope of securing a teaching position in the not too distant future, it looks like I'm going to have to start learning the ins and outs of Jaws for Windows, as well as refreshing myself in the use of Microsoft Office application, especially Word. Lynne downloaded JFW13 a few days ago, along with NVDA211, but we haven't had the opportunity to try them out as yet. So, to my questions. 1. What's the latest version of Microsoft Office and where do we stand, please, in terms of accessibility with the aforementioned screen-readers, plus GW Micro's Window-Eyes? 2. Does Freedom Scientific sell online to overseas customers, or is it one of those dealership rackets still, as it was when I got my fingers severely burned with them in 2000 when they re-sold my serial number to another customer and also my SMA, and they flatly refused to honour it with a different S/N and SMA. 3. On the assumption that Freedom Scientific does indeed sell internationally online, do they operate any kind of monthly Lease To Own programme, similar to that which GW Micro offers? Currently my outright budget wouldn't stretch to the £1200 USD which Freedom seem to be asking for JFW Professional and that doesn't even cover remote access; shocking. Having spent most of the morning playing around with various aspects of Windows 7 Ultimate Sp1 and Window-Eyes, I'm sorry to have to say that I'm distinctly unimpressed with GW's latest offering. Having become somewhat accustomed to the lack of a Browse Mode, I find it irksome to say the least when I have to keep continually pressing enter on edit boxes etc. before I can insert or modify data, and then having to re-enable browse mode to find out what a consecutive edit box's data should be. Pressing tab when outside of browse mode now yields only Edit, and not the content descriptor field any longer. I also find Window-Eyes 7.5.2 unacceptably slow at times when it's loading web content. Indeed, sometimes I fid that it doesn't even finish loading at all, and I have to turn browse ode of and back on again to make it work. Actually that's a bug which has been around forever, but it's much much worse now. Many times I also see problems after entering my password in the log-on window when loading Window-Eyes. Windows itself contuse down the log-on chain at normal speed but the Window-Eyes task often freezes or responds very very slowly. Thus, it takes often up to five minutes to gain access to the desktop and even then I sometimes get Not Responding notices regarding the Window-Eyes main executable, or one of the dynamic libraries upon which it relies. I'm also finding GW Micro's so-called Industry-Leading technical support extremely poor. Often, they don't even respond at all and when they do, they don't usually provide adequate responses to questions. I have seen opinion expressed in a couple of places on the Internet that Window-Eyes's overall quality has been severely depleted since the so-called innovative and, again, industry-standard scripting mechanism was incorporated into the application. I share that opinion! Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 7.0 is not compatible with 64-bit operating systems, and were it not for the fact that it won't run under Windows 7 at all, I would seriously consider reverting. As it is. I'm going to have to really turn full circle, have a serous look at JFW and NVDA, and perhaps also System Access as well. I am aware that there has been some discussion pertaining to screen-readers on list recently, sponsored initially as I understand it by my wife. I have read through the ensuing thread and found some of the comment very interesting. However, the angle I am hoping to discuss is more a practical one, rather than a financial debate. I'm going to try JFW because for one thing, I just cannot figure out how you configure NVDA for Braille output; which I need. Any comment welcome, and did I say it earlier? It's great to be back, finally. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net
Re: Jaws For Windows
But microsoft office 2010 is fully accessible, I am using all products that fit my needs with very little problem. Those programs are outllook, word, and zcell. I don't have any plans of ever needing power point, but heard it gets the job done also. HTH On Jan 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: to answer your question FS is still dealer based and they do not offer any payment plans on anything so I recall. Sorry to be the barer of bad news. I hope someone can be the bareer of good news. lol! On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all This is my first E-Mail to anybody for a very long time, so I must say it's good to be back. In the hope of securing a teaching position in the not too distant future, it looks like I'm going to have to start learning the ins and outs of Jaws for Windows, as well as refreshing myself in the use of Microsoft Office application, especially Word. Lynne downloaded JFW13 a few days ago, along with NVDA211, but we haven't had the opportunity to try them out as yet. So, to my questions. 1. What's the latest version of Microsoft Office and where do we stand, please, in terms of accessibility with the aforementioned screen-readers, plus GW Micro's Window-Eyes? 2. Does Freedom Scientific sell online to overseas customers, or is it one of those dealership rackets still, as it was when I got my fingers severely burned with them in 2000 when they re-sold my serial number to another customer and also my SMA, and they flatly refused to honour it with a different S/N and SMA. 3. On the assumption that Freedom Scientific does indeed sell internationally online, do they operate any kind of monthly Lease To Own programme, similar to that which GW Micro offers? Currently my outright budget wouldn't stretch to the £1200 USD which Freedom seem to be asking for JFW Professional and that doesn't even cover remote access; shocking. Having spent most of the morning playing around with various aspects of Windows 7 Ultimate Sp1 and Window-Eyes, I'm sorry to have to say that I'm distinctly unimpressed with GW's latest offering. Having become somewhat accustomed to the lack of a Browse Mode, I find it irksome to say the least when I have to keep continually pressing enter on edit boxes etc. before I can insert or modify data, and then having to re-enable browse mode to find out what a consecutive edit box's data should be. Pressing tab when outside of browse mode now yields only Edit, and not the content descriptor field any longer. I also find Window-Eyes 7.5.2 unacceptably slow at times when it's loading web content. Indeed, sometimes I fid that it doesn't even finish loading at all, and I have to turn browse ode of and back on again to make it work. Actually that's a bug which has been around forever, but it's much much worse now. Many times I also see problems after entering my password in the log-on window when loading Window-Eyes. Windows itself contuse down the log-on chain at normal speed but the Window-Eyes task often freezes or responds very very slowly. Thus, it takes often up to five minutes to gain access to the desktop and even then I sometimes get Not Responding notices regarding the Window-Eyes main executable, or one of the dynamic libraries upon which it relies. I'm also finding GW Micro's so-called Industry-Leading technical support extremely poor. Often, they don't even respond at all and when they do, they don't usually provide adequate responses to questions. I have seen opinion expressed in a couple of places on the Internet that Window-Eyes's overall quality has been severely depleted since the so-called innovative and, again, industry-standard scripting mechanism was incorporated into the application. I share that opinion! Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 7.0 is not compatible with 64-bit operating systems, and were it not for the fact that it won't run under Windows 7 at all, I would seriously consider reverting. As it is. I'm going to have to really turn full circle, have a serous look at JFW and NVDA, and perhaps also System Access as well. I am aware that there has been some discussion pertaining to screen-readers on list recently, sponsored initially as I understand it by my wife. I have read through the ensuing thread and found some of the comment very interesting. However, the angle I am hoping to discuss is more a practical one, rather than a financial debate. I'm going to try JFW because for one thing, I just cannot figure out how you configure NVDA for Braille output; which I need. Any comment welcome, and did I say it earlier? It's great to be back, finally. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated
altec lansing imt 520
Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
Hello, When you get it, would you let us know how you like it? I now have a Sony but I would like something with more base. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
howdy! Yep indeed! I hhave one of these docks and they're quite impressive. Obviously you're not going to get performance equal to that of your home stereo system but for a portable its damn good. Okay so how can I describe it, did you ever see one of those Mini stereo boomboxes from the 1980s? I'm not talking about the big huge thigns, I'm talking about the Mini Stereo one's, anyway the dock looks pretty much lie one of those, a speaker at each end and the dock in the middle where you plug in your iPod or iPhone. On the top is a handle which can be folded into 3 positions, for carrying, for a stand and tucked away out of sight for when you throw the unit into a bag, case or whatever. There are buttons on the top which control the basic functions, power on/off, play/pause, volume up/down and previous/next track. A remote controller comes with the Dock and I don't know what all the buttons do on that yet, the controller conveniently slides into a cradle at the top rear of the Dock when not in use. On the back of the Dock are 2 sockets, one for input from other MP3 players, radios or whatever and the socket for the charger, takes around 4 hours to charge the battery of the Dock and the iPhone etc can be plugged in and charging at the same time. That's pretty much it! I posted a review of the dock to the list some time ago. On 03/01/2012, at 10:58 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
This is just a personal opinion and nothing more. I've never liked Sony speakers and docks,, I bought some of their speakers and paid far too much for them in my view compared to what I could have bought from say Altec Lansing, Logitech, Creative and so on, just not worth worrying about, most of Sony's stuff has been for the last 30 years just sold for the name and not for any particular attributes such as quality sound, quality build etc. On 03/01/2012, at 11:13 AM, William Deatherage wrote: Hello, When you get it, would you let us know how you like it? I now have a Sony but I would like something with more base. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
Hi, I'll certainly let you know. Another thing good about this system is it's builtin rechargeable battery. So I assume it's pretty easy to carry around. Courtney Sent from my macbook air On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:13 PM, William Deatherage wrote: Hello, When you get it, would you let us know how you like it? I now have a Sony but I would like something with more base. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
Dead easy though I'd say its a little heavy given its size but that's a trivial point. Battery lasts for about 7 hours of playing time. On 03/01/2012, at 11:17 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'll certainly let you know. Another thing good about this system is it's builtin rechargeable battery. So I assume it's pretty easy to carry around. Courtney Sent from my macbook air On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:13 PM, William Deatherage wrote: Hello, When you get it, would you let us know how you like it? I now have a Sony but I would like something with more base. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: altec lansing imt 520
Hi, Will it charge my phone when the dock is on battery power? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Dead easy though I'd say its a little heavy given its size but that's a trivial point. Battery lasts for about 7 hours of playing time. On 03/01/2012, at 11:17 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'll certainly let you know. Another thing good about this system is it's builtin rechargeable battery. So I assume it's pretty easy to carry around. Courtney Sent from my macbook air On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:13 PM, William Deatherage wrote: Hello, When you get it, would you let us know how you like it? I now have a Sony but I would like something with more base. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I ordered my Altec Lansing In Motion Kick 520 portable speaker dock for ipod and iPhone on Friday. It should be here by Wednesday or Thursday because of the holiday. I have a question, since I know somebody on the list has one of these docks. About what size and weight is the dock, is it really portable? I'm excited to get it this week. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my macbook air === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Screen-Readers
Uhh, I must correct one misconception in this email. Ms *did* produce a screen reader years ago. At that time, a few screenreader manufacturers blew their top, threatened all sorts of legal action, and (surprisingly enough) ms caved. They didn't toss their efforts entirely though, they turned it into narrator, which still exists even in the latest version of windows. So, in this case, don't blame ms. This is actually the first (and in my opinion) one of the only times that ms actually tried to do the right thing, then gave in to bad pressure to do the wrong thing, and thus, the visually impaired market was once again left to the mercy of the large screen reader manufacturers. Most things ms does don't make sense to me, and this one is no exception, but at least in this particular instance, ms isn't to blame here. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Blogging
lol. all of the wp pluggins I use are free and the dev is quite willing to work and make thing s work for me. Now let's hope they make wp 3.3 a bit more accessibil. It has some issues and I've been talkign with developers. they want feedback. Take care. On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: First off, don't waste your money on wp plugins. There's plenty of them out there that are free, and if they're free, there's usually no strings attached, meaning that if it's not perfectly accessible, making it so won't invalidate your license or something equally silly. If you're going to use word press (a lot of folks do) there's no harm in changing things if they don't suit your purposes, because it's all free, and you can pretty much do what you like with it, as long as you release your changes if you make significant ones. I decided for my purposes, wp was too bloated, and way too complex for what I wanted. I would have had no problem using it, as I've been using computers for 25 years, and php for about 5 of those, so changing things to my purposes would not have been hard, but on the same note, if I could change them, I figured it'd be better to start from scratch, and build my own, especially since all I wanted was rather simple things, all of which I could make myself w/o any wp help, and since I've been hand coding my html from the outset (around 1996 or so) I figured it'd be silly for me to start using other stuff now. :) And besides, I like programming, and this was fun. But, with all that said, wp does what it does very well, and if you can use it, then by all means use it. However, I strongly advise you to look around before purchasing any plugins. I've almost always found free or cheaper alternatives to just about every plugin I've seen that was charging lots of money for it's use. Don't waste your money until you're sure there's nothing else available that will do the job. With that said, I'll freely admit, that folks are doing some amazing things with word press, and ocasionaly, even I don't recognize a site as being a wordpress site until I get to the bottom and it says so at the footer, but generally those exceptions are rare. This is why you should carefully consider if you want wp as your web site, because it's so recognizable, a lot of folks that don't like wp will leave your site without looking when they see that little banner. Admittedly, it's probably not a lot of folks, but they are out there. Of course, you'll get a percentage of folks leaving anyhow, so that may not be a concern for you. I didn't need or want the complexity of wp, so didn't use it, but then again, with that complexity comes a lot of power, and a lot of things are done for you, so if simple is what you want, there's not much that's simpler than a properly setup wp site. I know I'm probably not making sense, supporting and tearing down alternatively, but I'm only trying to state all te angles here, so take this for what it's worth. But, I stand by my don't buy wp plugins for tripple digit prices until you've searched, and assured yourself there's nothing equivalent elsewhere to suit your purposes, most of the time, it's just not worth the price. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
