Re: KeySoft
Hi Mary Is the US moving over to UEB? It is my understanding that UEB includes mathematical Braille as well as other standards such as poetry and music. If the US is adopting that standard there shouldn’t be an issue. MathType does seem to support UEB. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help Support To Young People LivingWith Visual Impairment, plus Braille Transcription services. On 2 Nov 2013, at 20:42, Stores, Mary A. msto...@indiana.edu wrote: Hi, Gordon From what I understand, UK math Braille is different from Nemeth code, which is the ystem of math Braille the uS has adopted. But yes, it's a system of math braille. Mary -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 3:50 PM To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! Subject: Re:KeySoft Hi Mary Are we talking here about Math Braille? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]
I don’t get this. Who is shunning you? Just because others have different priorities that does not mean that they’re shunning you, as you put it. Seems to me that there’s a touch of paranoia creeping in here. :) |As for development, that’s good. But just because others opt to go other routes means nothing. In terms of the Pi®, I have read stuff about it here and there and, come a time when I’m not so busy with other little things like work, broadcasting, and various other things, I may well look seriously at the project. But right now I don’t really think there would be much advantage to me personally from becoming involved. I don’t need a DAISY player, I have them on a number of platforms. In fact, one can even publish DAISY now from within Windows without having to chew on with OpenOffice and assorted plug-ins. The DAISY Consortium has now released their own publisher which works very well actually. Dolphin Computer Access used to be the only realistic publishing solution on Windows until OBI came along. But I’m getting off the point. The point here is that yes, the project has interest. But I’m puzzled by your outlook on this to be honest. After all, we were promised by a number of people that when we got our broadcasting project off the ground they would join us. But that has not happened. Are they shunning us? Of course not. They just have their own priorities and interests. That’s fair enough. At this time I have no intention of becoming involved with RP. Why? It’s very simple really. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help Support To Young People LivingWith Visual Impairment, plus Braille Transcription services. On 3 Nov 2013, at 02:49, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: I take your point, maybe to you to yes however as I said, we're doing it for our own satisfaction more than anything else and if it can benefit anyone then fine! and it proves the point I made earlier, if anyone tries to develop or work on anything then they seem to be immediately shunned. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
RE: KeySoft
Hi Gordon, The US has made a decision to move over to UEB but it is probably going to take a couple of years to undertake all the necessary work. Regards, Roger. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Changing gmail settings using VoiceOver on Mavericks
Hello, I am running Safari under VoiceOver on the latest version of Mac OS 10.9. Last time I needed to change my gmail settings (a couple of months ago) I went to mail.google.com/mail/h which gave me the basic html interface to gmail from where I could access my gmail settings and change them. Now google seems to have changed their user interface. If I now go to mail.google.com/mail/h I get my mail inbox and the list of my other mail folders. I cannot find any way to modify my gmail settings. I can get into and modify the details of my google account but not my gmail settings. I would appreciate any tips. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
RE: Braille
Hi Gordon, An addendum: Please see http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb/BANA-UEB-Nemeth-Report.doc which is a Word file explaining how why Nemeth Code was still chosen and how UEB and Nemeth can exist in the same document. There are .brf and .pdf files available at http://www.brailleauthority.org/ . Mary -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of Stores, Mary A. Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:07 AM To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! Subject: RE: Braille Hi Gordon, The USD adopted the UEB last November, but they are keeping Nemeth Code because, they say, it expresses Math better. So I think the differences in math will still be an issue. Mary === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]
Okay, well its not a personal observation actually and it really doesn't have much to do with the list to be honest so perhaps I can try and make things a little clearer. I'm not being personally shunned, what I have found is a... well.. very odd type of attitude. I've explained the concept of the Pi Player and explained that the system is in multiple parts, for example you have the Raspberry Pi computer at the player's center and other parts plugging into this - the speaker, the dongle for the remote control, the memory stick for the content etc -. I appreciate the discussion particularly on this list surrounding the Pi Player and similar subjects however its a shame that other people have suggested that the whole idea is utterly useless and worthless because of the nature of the Pi Player's design of having multiple components so perhaps Shunned was a too stronger term to be used here. Now I admit, we'd really love to build everything into a case like a Plextalk, a Victor Reader stream etc and we are looking at options to do this now that 3D printing is becoming move viable however if we start building custom boxes and making custom designs then the whole cost of the thing sky rockets dramatically when the central point of this project is to provide a low cost Daisy solution to those who want it, people have the choice of putting it together themselves or - if need be - we can send out all the parts required so all the user need do is plug everything in and switch on. There's no way that the Pi Player will ever take the place of the commercially available products but remember that most of those products are at least 3 times the price of one of our Daisy Pi configurations which can be built from off-the-shelf hardware and most of us have a budget we have to live by. On 11 Nov 2013, at 7:57 pm, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: I don’t get this. Who is shunning you? Just because others have different priorities that does not mean that they’re shunning you, as you put it. Seems to me that there’s a touch of paranoia creeping in here. :) |As for development, that’s good. But just because others opt to go other routes means nothing. In terms of the Pi®, I have read stuff about it here and there and, come a time when I’m not so busy with other little things like work, broadcasting, and various other things, I may well look seriously at the project. But right now I don’t really think there would be much advantage to me personally from becoming involved. I don’t need a DAISY player, I have them on a number of platforms. In fact, one can even publish DAISY now from within Windows without having to chew on with OpenOffice and assorted plug-ins. The DAISY Consortium has now released their own publisher which works very well actually. Dolphin Computer Access used to be the only realistic publishing solution on Windows until OBI came along. But I’m getting off the point. The point here is that yes, the project has interest. But I’m puzzled by your outlook on this to be honest. After all, we were promised by a number of people that when we got our broadcasting project off the ground they would join us. But that has not happened. Are they shunning us? Of course not. They just have their own priorities and interests. That’s fair enough. At this time I have no intention of becoming involved with RP. Why? It’s very simple really. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help Support To Young People LivingWith Visual Impairment, plus Braille Transcription services. On 3 Nov 2013, at 02:49, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: I take your point, maybe to you to yes however as I said, we're doing it for our own satisfaction more than anything else and if it can benefit anyone then fine! and it proves the point I made earlier, if anyone tries to develop or work on anything then they seem to be immediately shunned. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954
