Re: [Techno-Chat]: Experiences with Chromebooks

2017-11-14 Thread Joshua Gregory
Ah OK, thanks!

On 11/14/17, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> The latest model is called the PixelBook. The main advantage is that there
> is now full 100% Android app support built-in which means, of course, that
> you can install TalkBack and BrailleBack. Specs look quite good, although I
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> On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:14, Joshua Gregory  wrote:
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> I'll have to take a look at that, thank you!
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> Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 12:07 AM Dane Trethowan  > wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> No first hand experience hereas yet.
>
> I've thought about getting a Chromebook to look at and I do know someone
> who uses a Chromebook fulltime, he's totally blind and loves it, he came
> from using an Apple Mac Mini and Voiceover.
>
> Further to this, may I suggest you look up the AFB Access World magazine.
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> There you'll find a series of reviews and articles that have tracked the
> Chromebook and the Screen Reading technology.
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> On 11/10/2017 1:34 PM, Joshua Gregory wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I was wondering if anybody has had any experiences with Chromebooks
>> and the chromevox screen reader. What were your experiences? Did you
>> like it, did you not? Was there anything that stood out to you in
>> comparison to, say, windows and nvda or narrator? Thanks very much!
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Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

2017-11-14 Thread Dane Trethowan

Interesting.

I've decided to hold back on any further Amazon Echo purchases until 
Amazon officially start their services in Australia, that won't be too 
much longer in coming.




On 11/15/2017 7:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not true. 
My error, when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was 
that I forgot that I’d tried them both in the same room conditions 
previously, and noticed the difference. On my last test, I had them in 
totally separate rooms, which moves the goal posts. As I said below, 
the speakers have indeed been upgraded.


Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways 
of accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several 
manufacturers are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. 
So look around before buying an Echo Show.




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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal 
> wrote:


Hi there Gordon

Thanks for the review.

you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t 
going to be all that useful to me.


Thanks again and keep it coming sur.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
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Facetime:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith > wrote:


Hello everybody

Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the 
previous generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my 
studio. Both will still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.


Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my 
multimedia equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.


If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you 
wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining 
the silicone sheet that they both sit upon. The power connectors are 
the same, but orientated at right-angles to one another. In the case 
of the Echo, the power connector protrudes from the back of the case, 
indented from the outer rim of the case. On the Echo+, the power 
connector is mounted on the rim of the case, and the indentation does 
not even exist.


In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are 
absolutely identical.


Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 
discrete microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. 
Tests have proven that this is quite an important addition. Even with 
music playing at a considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still 
detect your voice and comprehend your commands.


The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been 
upgraded. It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up 
most when you compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation 
Echo Dot. But that doesn’t particularly worry me.


There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the 
Echo. Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would 
have been particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an integrated 
Smart Hub, meaning that it’s no longer necessary to “bridge” an 
external hub to support those smart devices that need a hub. Not all 
of them do, of course.


But the real reason why I upgraded was the quality of the audio. The 
speaker system has been upgraded, and the audio is now much more rich 
at the top end, and deep at the lower end of the spectrum.


Setup was a piece of cake. Because I already have an Amazon account, 
the device was pre-registered for me. All I had to do was to set up 
the WiFi, Bluetooth® and Voice Remote, the latter of which I have 
hijacked from the Echo Dot, where it never really worked too well anyway.


I’ve only had the device for just over 24 hours. But really, 
configuration was like home from home. It took me no more than 2 
minutes in the Alexa app to get the thing set the way I wanted it set.


I’m not about to start raving about how good the device is. Yes, as I 
said, there are advantages. However, unless the quality of the audio 
in the previous generation Echo really grates you, (and I can’t 
imagine why it would), and unless you are particularly in need of a 
smart hub, it’s probably not worth upgrading. In actual fact, I’m not 
really 

[Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

2017-11-14 Thread Dane Trethowan
Firstly the Samsung Galaxy Books are Windows based tablets so if you 
purchase a Galaxy Book you're literally purchasing yourself a mini 
Windows 10 Pro machine, nothing wrong with that whatever.


I was asked what I thought the best Android tablet was.

Only my opinion of course but I don't think there's any best Android 
tablet right now and I'm astonished that I'm making such remarks as 
there very clearly should be some very good Android tables around but 
for some reason there isn't.


When it comes to build the iPad range are tops, I've not yet seen an 
Android tablet come even close.


When it comes to Power the iPad keeps moving ahead.

So we have the iPad but then that's not everything that people may 
demand from a tablet, yes its powerful but perhaps not versatile enough 
and that's where a good Android tablet should be in its element but no, 
not yet, the only alternative then is a Windows tablet such as the 
Galaxy Book.


The Galaxy Book isn't quite as well built as an iPad but its a tough 
build all the same as all modern Samsung phones and tablets seem to be 
thus should last you hears to come.


I'm working on a series of audio demos for the Samsung Galaxy Book 12 at 
the moment and will release them shortly.




On 11/15/2017 7:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
The latest model is called the PixelBook. The main advantage is that 
there is now full 100% Android app support built-in which means, of 
course, that you can install TalkBack and BrailleBack. Specs look 
quite good, although I still think that the Samsung Galaxy Books, 
based on what I’ve read and what I’ve been told, offer a better 
alternative.




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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:14, Joshua Gregory > wrote:




I'll have to take a look at that, thank you!

On

Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 12:07 AM Dane Trethowan > wrote:


Hi!

No first hand experience hereas yet.

I've thought about getting a Chromebook to look at and I do know
someone
who uses a Chromebook fulltime, he's totally blind and loves it,
he came
from using an Apple Mac Mini and Voiceover.

Further to this, may I suggest you look up the AFB Access World
magazine.

There you'll find a series of reviews and articles that have
tracked the
Chromebook and the Screen Reading technology.

On 11/10/2017 1:34 PM, Joshua Gregory wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anybody has had any experiences with Chromebooks
> and the chromevox screen reader. What were your experiences? Did you
> like it, did you not? Was there anything that stood out to you in
> comparison to, say, windows and nvda or narrator? Thanks very much!
>

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Re: [Techno-Chat]: Google Home Mini

2017-11-14 Thread Dane Trethowan
I agree with you regarding the audio from the Google Mini which isn't 
bad at all and certainly not what I'd call average, I was quite 
surprised to hear the audio from the Google Home, if you're lookin for 
very average audio out of a device then the Echo Dot certainly gives you 
that.


Unfortunately Google Home cannot play Audio books as Amazon Echo can at 
this time according to my research but it is a project in progress.


I really love the way Google home handles recipes, giving you 
step-by-step instructions thus you have the ability to take notes and so 
on, just plain brilliant the way these are handled.




On 11/15/2017 7:29 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
I have two of the Home devices, one the full-size model, one the Mini. 
It’s very interesting, the fact that the country code in my original 
full-size model is US, and in my Mini it’s UK. I must try to find out 
how that can be changed, if it’s even possible. I can’t update its 
firmware much, because it’s in the wrong country. The Mini, on the 
other hand, has received a number of updates since I installed it. I’m 
a member of the Google Home Developer’s test group. So I’ve had a 
number of pre-release builds. Anyway, I’m off now, while it’s in my 
mind, to try and track down a fix. But what I will add at this 
juncture is this. Those who have commented that the audio from the 
Home Mini’s speaker is only “Average”, I don’t agree at all with that 
statement. Obviously, it isn’t in the same class as the full-size Home 
speaker system is. But then again, that is totally different type of 
device. The speaker in the Home is an all-round (360º) speaker system, 
and it’s quite room-filling.


But the Mini, given the very solid build of the device and the 
physical size of the thing, is at least as good as, and possibly 
better than, the Amazon Echo Dot second generation.


I have my full-size device in the lounge, and my Mini upstairs. I wish 
it were possible to play Audible books on that device. But if it is, I 
can’t figure out how.


On a different though related topic, I also now own 3 different types 
of Amazon Echo. First, I have the second generation Echo. As I’ve 
said, I own a second generation Echo Dot. I also now own a first 
generation Echo Plus, which was released last month. The only 
difference from the external perspective between my own Echo and Echo 
Plus devices is the colour. In every other respect, they appear 
identical. The audio hasn’t changed at all between the two. The only 
difference between the Echo and the Echo+ is that the Echo+ contains 
an in-built smart hub, allowing you to use a wider range of smart 
devices. That aside, they are absolutely identical. I’m still toying 
with the idea of buying an Echo Show, although I’ll have to give that 
a lot more thought first. The Show is a far higher grade speaker 
system, and also has video screen (7.1-Inch), touch sensitive, and a 
5MPixel camera for video calls etc.


We will have to see on that one, the jury is still out.

OK, off to see if Google can Google me a way to change my Google 
Home’s country code.




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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:17, Joshua Gregory > wrote:


That sounds awesome.


On Nov 10, 2017 12:34 AM, "Dane Trethowan" > wrote:


I received mine this morning, a nice neat little device which will
sit perfectly on my bedside table.

I've found out quite by accident just how helpful Google Home can
be in the kitchen - that's where my bigger unit is -.

Say to Google soemthing like, "Okay Google, How To Cook
Porterhouse Steak" and then interact with yoru wonderful Google
cook as she talks you through each step of a suggested recipe,
from the preparation of ingreedients to the method and tips on
getting the best cooking results to your preference.


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Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

2017-11-14 Thread Gordon Smith
Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not true. My error, 
when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was that I forgot that I’d 
tried them both in the same room conditions previously, and noticed the 
difference. On my last test, I had them in totally separate rooms, which moves 
the goal posts. As I said below, the speakers have indeed been upgraded.

Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways of 
accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several manufacturers 
are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. So look around before 
buying an Echo Show.



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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
wrote:

Hi there Gordon

Thanks for the review.  

you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t going to 
be all that useful to me.

Thanks again and keep it coming sur.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com 
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the previous 
> generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my studio. Both will 
> still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.
> 
> Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my multimedia 
> equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.
> 
> If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you wouldn’t be 
> able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining the silicone sheet 
> that they both sit upon. The power connectors are the same, but orientated at 
> right-angles to one another. In the case of the Echo, the power connector 
> protrudes from the back of the case, indented from the outer rim of the case. 
> On the Echo+, the power connector is mounted on the rim of the case, and the 
> indentation does not even exist.
> 
> In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are absolutely 
> identical.
> 
> Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 discrete 
> microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. Tests have proven 
> that this is quite an important addition. Even with music playing at a 
> considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still detect your voice and 
> comprehend your commands.
> 
> The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been upgraded. 
> It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up most when you 
> compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation Echo Dot. But that 
> doesn’t particularly worry me.
> 
> There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the Echo. 
> Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would have been 
> particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an integrated Smart Hub, meaning 
> that it’s no longer necessary to “bridge” an external hub to support those 
> smart devices that need a hub. Not all of them do, of course.
> 
> But the real reason why I upgraded was the quality of the audio. The speaker 
> system has been upgraded, and the audio is now much more rich at the top end, 
> and deep at the lower end of the spectrum.
> 
> Setup was a piece of cake. Because I already have an Amazon account, the 
> device was pre-registered for me. All I had to do was to set up the WiFi, 
> Bluetooth® and Voice Remote, the latter of which I have hijacked from the 
> Echo Dot, where it never really worked too well anyway.
> 
> I’ve only had the device for just over 24 hours. But really, configuration 
> was like home from home. It took me no more than 2 minutes in the Alexa app 
> to get the thing set the way I wanted it set.
> 
> I’m not about to start raving about how good the device is. Yes, as I said, 
> there are advantages. However, unless the quality of the audio in the 
> previous generation Echo really grates you, (and I can’t imagine why it 
> would), and unless you are particularly in need of a smart hub, it’s probably 
> not worth upgrading. In actual fact, I’m not really sure why Amazon bothered 
> with the Echo upgrade. As in the Echo, not the Echo+. Upgrading from the 
> previous generation Echo which, I think, was the second generation to the 
> current 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Experiences with Chromebooks

2017-11-14 Thread Gordon Smith
The latest model is called the PixelBook. The main advantage is that there is 
now full 100% Android app support built-in which means, of course, that you can 
install TalkBack and BrailleBack. Specs look quite good, although I still think 
that the Samsung Galaxy Books, based on what I’ve read and what I’ve been told, 
offer a better alternative.



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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:14, Joshua Gregory  wrote:



I'll have to take a look at that, thank you!

On

Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 12:07 AM Dane Trethowan > wrote:

Hi!

No first hand experience hereas yet.

I've thought about getting a Chromebook to look at and I do know someone
who uses a Chromebook fulltime, he's totally blind and loves it, he came
from using an Apple Mac Mini and Voiceover.

Further to this, may I suggest you look up the AFB Access World magazine.

There you'll find a series of reviews and articles that have tracked the
Chromebook and the Screen Reading technology.


On 11/10/2017 1:34 PM, Joshua Gregory wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anybody has had any experiences with Chromebooks
> and the chromevox screen reader. What were your experiences? Did you
> like it, did you not? Was there anything that stood out to you in
> comparison to, say, windows and nvda or narrator? Thanks very much!
>

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Re: [Techno-Chat]: Google Home Mini

2017-11-14 Thread Gordon Smith
I have two of the Home devices, one the full-size model, one the Mini. It’s 
very interesting, the fact that the country code in my original full-size model 
is US, and in my Mini it’s UK. I must try to find out how that can be changed, 
if it’s even possible. I can’t update its firmware much, because it’s in the 
wrong country. The Mini, on the other hand, has received a number of updates 
since I installed it. I’m a member of the Google Home Developer’s test group. 
So I’ve had a number of pre-release builds. Anyway, I’m off now, while it’s in 
my mind, to try and track down a fix. But what I will add at this juncture is 
this. Those who have commented that the audio from the Home Mini’s speaker is 
only “Average”, I don’t agree at all with that statement. Obviously, it isn’t 
in the same class as the full-size Home speaker system is. But then again, that 
is totally different type of device. The speaker in the Home is an all-round 
(360º) speaker system, and it’s quite room-filling.

But the Mini, given the very solid build of the device and the physical size of 
the thing, is at least as good as, and possibly better than, the Amazon Echo 
Dot second generation.

I have my full-size device in the lounge, and my Mini upstairs. I wish it were 
possible to play Audible books on that device. But if it is, I can’t figure out 
how.

On a different though related topic, I also now own 3 different types of Amazon 
Echo. First, I have the second generation Echo. As I’ve said, I own a second 
generation Echo Dot. I also now own a first generation Echo Plus, which was 
released last month. The only difference from the external perspective between 
my own Echo and Echo Plus devices is the colour. In every other respect, they 
appear identical. The audio hasn’t changed at all between the two. The only 
difference between the Echo and the Echo+ is that the Echo+ contains an 
in-built smart hub, allowing you to use a wider range of smart devices. That 
aside, they are absolutely identical. I’m still toying with the idea of buying 
an Echo Show, although I’ll have to give that a lot more thought first. The 
Show is a far higher grade speaker system, and also has video screen 
(7.1-Inch), touch sensitive, and a 5MPixel camera for video calls etc.

We will have to see on that one, the jury is still out.

OK, off to see if Google can Google me a way to change my Google Home’s country 
code.



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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:17, Joshua Gregory  wrote:

That sounds awesome.


On Nov 10, 2017 12:34 AM, "Dane Trethowan" > wrote:
I received mine this morning, a nice neat little device which will sit 
perfectly on my bedside table.

I've found out quite by accident just how helpful Google Home can be in the 
kitchen - that's where my bigger unit is -.

Say to Google soemthing like, "Okay Google, How To Cook Porterhouse Steak" and 
then interact with yoru wonderful Google cook as she talks you through each 
step of a suggested recipe, from the preparation of ingreedients to the method 
and tips on getting the best cooking results to your preference.


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[Techno-Chat]: Re: [Techno-Chat]: ☯wow look at that, it's amazing!

2017-11-14 Thread Gordon Smith
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