Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

[Dane Trethowan]

The LTE version is the one I have.
Also bare in mind that the Specs of the smaller Galaxy Book vary considerably 
to that of the large,  with the large you get a 256GB SSD and an Intel I5 
Processor whereas with the smaller you get a 128GB SSD and Intel I3 processor.
I’m wondering if the keyboard is the same with the smaller version? I wonder 
this for the obvious reason size, the keyboard would have to be smaller so 
what’s been sacrificed.


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> On 17 Nov 2017, at 3:03 am, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
> No! The Galaxy Book sells for £699.00 for the 10.6-Inch version and £899.00 
> for the 12-Inch. I’m not sure how much the LTE-enabled versions go for, I’ll 
> check.
> 
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> On 16 Nov 2017, at 15:41, Dane Trethowan  > wrote:
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> I can't be sure of that as I don't know the conversion rate from pounds to 
> Australian dollars but I think it would be near the mark yep.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/17/2017 1:07 AM, david griffith wrote:
>> Wow – I have just looked on Amazon and the price for that Tablet appears to 
>> be £1,400 – does that sound right?
>> David Griffith
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>> From: Dane Trethowan 
>> Sent: 15 November 2017 21:46
>> To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! 
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>> Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
>>  
>> The Samsung tablet in question is the Samsung Galaxy Book 12, its a higher 
>> spec and more powerful machine than the Tab and I think its more recent too.
>>  
>> 
>> **
>> “For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s you put 
>> in the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2017, at 4:01 am, David Griffith > > wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> OK glad to be contradicted.
>> I looked up the Samsung 12 on UK Amazon.
>> Is it this one on the UK Store ?
>> http://tinyurl.com/y8ml9a9o 
>> In my defence it does not scream out a sim card in its  specification though 
>> I did notice a description of 4G WiFi on its description.
>> The main issue I think is that at over £700 including delivery It is 
>> significantly more expensive than the tablets I was looking at – about twice 
>> the cost of other PC tablet machines and nearly 3 times as much as the Asus 
>> Chrome Books and 6 times as much as some of the Kindle options. Even my sim 
>> based 64gb iPad was only £450, admittedly a few years ago now.  so I am 
>> probably looking at the wrong end  of the market.  I am not at all sure I 
>> want to pay over £700 for  a tablet I am only going to use occasionally 
>> whilst out  or on holiday. My main Desktop  machine with 16 GB ram, 512 GB 
>> SSD main drive with 4TB secondary drive  which I used every single day only 
>> cost me £550 ,  with Windows and Office though it was custom built by an 
>> engineer I know.  If I could find a cheaper Tablet option like a Chrome Book 
>> at about £250 with a sim slot I would go for it like a shot.
>> David Griffith
>>  
>>  
>> From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode..on.net 
>> ] 
>> Sent: 15 November 2017 15:28
>> To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!
>> Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
>>  
>> I’m sorry to contradict you but all the devices we have been talking about - 
>> including my Samsung Galaxy Book 12 Windows Tablet - do allow for SIM card 
>> data thus they are totally portable so use on a mountain top, park bench or 
>> in a cafe, the choice is yours.
>> Actually the use of SIM cards in modern day computing goes deeper and runs 
>> wider than I possibly thought, my New HP Probook 404 G3 can also take a SIM 
>> card.
>> Many of the Android tablets out there naturally take a SIM card too though - 
>> as I said earlier - at present I don’t believe the current crop of 

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[Gordon Smith]

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[Techno-Chat]: Amazon/tablets

[Joshua Gregory]

Amazon is great but sometimes you have to be careful, sometimes things
will be a lot more expensive from one seller/result to another. Not
Amazon's fault, some sellers just charge a lot more for one reason or
another.

On 11/16/17, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> There are, in fact, a number of Windows-based tablets which include an LTE
> modem. One of which is, of course, the Samsung Galaxy Book, although I think
> you pay a lot for that option. That’s one thing I very much. Like about the
> ElBraille W14 which I have. It includes an LTE modem as standard, and
> doesn’t complain if you don’t enable it. I have, and I installed a micro-SIM
> into the device before I even switched it on for the first time. You have to
> actually go into the options and enable the modem, which is off by default.
> But that’s nothing more than selecting a check box and enabling it. Once
> done, you just enable the dial-up connection and put *99# into the phone
> number filled, and you’re away.
>
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> On 15 Nov 2017, at 15:00, David Griffith  wrote:
>
> The biggest and surprising failing for nearly all of the Android / Kindle /
> windows Tablet options out there  I see is the failure to include a Sim
> option for genuinely mobile computing. WiFi devices may be feasible for use
> in cities but quickly grind to a halt  when travelling or when you are in a
> cottage in the country which does not have WiFi. I find this extremely  odd
> as it is precisely when  I am away from home and in this situation away from
> WiFi that I am most likely to need to use these sorts of devices.  If they
> are portable devices they should in my mind be most useful if they can be
> used wherever  there is a mobile signal rather than reliant on clumsily
> piggy backing on somebody else’s WiFi.
> I started looking at chrome Books but no mobile sim  options I can find,
> similarly for Windows tablets Kindle tablets and most Android tablets. This
> is the strangest lack I find in the  mobile tablet sector at the moment. You
> could cobble solutions together I suppose by using Dongles or tethering but
> elegant this is not.
> In these situations only my iPhone and my old iPad   Mini with data sim cut
> the mustard and provide some web connectivity for me. People are often
> surprised that my old iPad can connect to the web anywhere but this is old
> not new technology. In ancient times  of early Kindle  Keyboard models you
> could use a data sim but bizarrely no more as Amazon has completely
> withdrawn data sim options for Kindle and they are all WiFi only now. As
> useful as a choclate teapot on a motorway or in a country cottage without
> WiFi.
> If anybody can point me to a newer genuinely portable device with this
> functionality I would be interested.
> David Griffith
>
>
> From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net
> ]
> Sent: 14 November 2017 21:15
> To: techno-chat@techno-chat.net 
> Subject: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
>
> Firstly the Samsung Galaxy Books are Windows based tablets so if you
> purchase a Galaxy Book you're literally purchasing yourself a mini Windows
> 10 Pro machine, nothing wrong with that whatever.
>
> I was asked what I thought the best Android tablet was.
>
> Only my opinion of course but I don't think there's any best Android tablet
> right now and I'm astonished that I'm making such remarks as there very
> clearly should be some very good Android tables around but for some reason
> there isn't.
>
> When it comes to build the iPad range are tops, I've not yet seen an Android
> tablet come even close.
>
> When it comes to Power the iPad keeps moving ahead.
>
> So we have the iPad but then that's not everything that people may demand
> from a tablet, yes its powerful but perhaps not versatile enough and that's
> where a good Android tablet should be in its element but no, not yet, the
> only alternative then is a Windows tablet such as the Galaxy Book.
>
> The Galaxy Book isn't quite as well built as an iPad but its a tough build
> all the same as all modern Samsung phones and tablets seem to be thus should
> last you hears to come.
>
> I'm working on a series of audio demos for the Samsung Galaxy Book 12 at the
> moment and will release them shortly.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2017 7:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> The 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

[Gordon Smith]

There are, in fact, a number of Windows-based tablets which include an LTE 
modem. One of which is, of course, the Samsung Galaxy Book, although I think 
you pay a lot for that option. That’s one thing I very much. Like about the 
ElBraille W14 which I have. It includes an LTE modem as standard, and doesn’t 
complain if you don’t enable it. I have, and I installed a micro-SIM into the 
device before I even switched it on for the first time. You have to actually go 
into the options and enable the modem, which is off by default. But that’s 
nothing more than selecting a check box and enabling it. Once done, you just 
enable the dial-up connection and put *99# into the phone number filled, and 
you’re away.



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On 15 Nov 2017, at 15:00, David Griffith  wrote:

The biggest and surprising failing for nearly all of the Android / Kindle / 
windows Tablet options out there  I see is the failure to include a Sim option 
for genuinely mobile computing. WiFi devices may be feasible for use in cities 
but quickly grind to a halt  when travelling or when you are in a cottage in 
the country which does not have WiFi. I find this extremely  odd as it is 
precisely when  I am away from home and in this situation away from WiFi that I 
am most likely to need to use these sorts of devices.  If they are portable 
devices they should in my mind be most useful if they can be used wherever  
there is a mobile signal rather than reliant on clumsily piggy backing on 
somebody else’s WiFi.
I started looking at chrome Books but no mobile sim  options I can find, 
similarly for Windows tablets Kindle tablets and most Android tablets. This is 
the strangest lack I find in the  mobile tablet sector at the moment. You could 
cobble solutions together I suppose by using Dongles or tethering but elegant 
this is not.
In these situations only my iPhone and my old iPad   Mini with data sim cut the 
mustard and provide some web connectivity for me. People are often surprised 
that my old iPad can connect to the web anywhere but this is old not new 
technology. In ancient times  of early Kindle  Keyboard models you could use a 
data sim but bizarrely no more as Amazon has completely withdrawn data sim 
options for Kindle and they are all WiFi only now. As useful as a choclate 
teapot on a motorway or in a country cottage without WiFi.
If anybody can point me to a newer genuinely portable device with this 
functionality I would be interested.
David Griffith 
 
 
From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net 
] 
Sent: 14 November 2017 21:15
To: techno-chat@techno-chat.net 
Subject: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
 
Firstly the Samsung Galaxy Books are Windows based tablets so if you purchase a 
Galaxy Book you're literally purchasing yourself a mini Windows 10 Pro machine, 
nothing wrong with that whatever.

I was asked what I thought the best Android tablet was.

Only my opinion of course but I don't think there's any best Android tablet 
right now and I'm astonished that I'm making such remarks as there very clearly 
should be some very good Android tables around but for some reason there isn't.

When it comes to build the iPad range are tops, I've not yet seen an Android 
tablet come even close.

When it comes to Power the iPad keeps moving ahead.

So we have the iPad but then that's not everything that people may demand from 
a tablet, yes its powerful but perhaps not versatile enough and that's where a 
good Android tablet should be in its element but no, not yet, the only 
alternative then is a Windows tablet such as the Galaxy Book.

The Galaxy Book isn't quite as well built as an iPad but its a tough build all 
the same as all modern Samsung phones and tablets seem to be thus should last 
you hears to come.

I'm working on a series of audio demos for the Samsung Galaxy Book 12 at the 
moment and will release them shortly.

 

 
On 11/15/2017 7:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> The latest model is called the PixelBook. The main advantage is that there is 
> now full 100% Android app support built-in which means, of course, that you 
> can install TalkBack and BrailleBack. Specs look quite good, although I still 
> think that the Samsung Galaxy Books, based on what I’ve read and what I’ve 
> been told, offer a better alternative. 
>  
> 
> 
> My compliments and 

[Techno-Chat]: Re: Apple TV 4K

[Gordon Smith]

To be utterly fair, I own a third generation Apple TV, and I find it off great 
use. However, I am contemplating an upgrade for no other reason than the 
improvement in sound quality it brings. I believe the onboard storage has also 
be increased.



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On 15 Nov 2017, at 15:18, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I’m mystified as to why the Echo Tap isn’t available in the United Kingdom, 
would save you heaps of money and time buying all these battery bases.
The device that sounds mild interesting to me right now is the Google Home Max 
which will be available shortly.
Good to see the Amazon Echo+ has a lie out so perhaps in time Amazon will see 
fit to have that line out jack a digital connection as well as an analog one.
Now I have to admit that - for the first time - I’m thinking of purchasing an 
Apple TV 4K as I’m toying with the idea of setting up a Homekit Hub.
I already have some home automation in my house in the form of the Demo light 
bulbs and I can control these with Google Home.
There are some interesting Homekit compatible devices around such as an indoor 
sensor that measures air quality etc, you can use SIRI to ask for measurements 
such as indoor temperature and so on.


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the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”




> On 15 Nov 2017, at 11:56 pm, Gordon Smith  > wrote:
> 
> Another subtle difference I forgot to mention is that the Plus has a line 
> output, whereas the Echo does not. I’m off to look for a battery base 
> actually, similar to the ones I have for the Echo and for the Dot.
> 
> I’m quite surprised that Amazon haven’t yet established a presence over 
> there. I would have thought that there is quite a market.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 14 Nov 2017, at 21:16, Dane Trethowan  > wrote:
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> I've decided to hold back on any further Amazon Echo purchases until Amazon 
> officially start their services in Australia, that won't be too much longer 
> in coming.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2017 7:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not true. My 
>> error, when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was that I 
>> forgot that I’d tried them both in the same room conditions previously, and 
>> noticed the difference. On my last test, I had them in totally separate 
>> rooms, which moves the goal posts. As I said below, the speakers have indeed 
>> been upgraded.
>> 
>> Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways of 
>> accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several 
>> manufacturers are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. So 
>> look around before buying an Echo Show.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> >
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>> 
>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there Gordon
>> 
>> Thanks for the review.  
>> 
>> you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

[Gordon Smith]

No! The Galaxy Book sells for £699.00 for the 10.6-Inch version and £899.00 for 
the 12-Inch. I’m not sure how much the LTE-enabled versions go for, I’ll check.



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On 16 Nov 2017, at 15:41, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I can't be sure of that as I don't know the conversion rate from pounds to 
Australian dollars but I think it would be near the mark yep.




On 11/17/2017 1:07 AM, david griffith wrote:
> Wow – I have just looked on Amazon and the price for that Tablet appears to 
> be £1,400 – does that sound right?
> David Griffith
>  
> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ 
> My Blind hammer Blog
> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts 
> 
>  
> From: Dane Trethowan 
> Sent: 15 November 2017 21:46
> To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
>  
> The Samsung tablet in question is the Samsung Galaxy Book 12, its a higher 
> spec and more powerful machine than the Tab and I think its more recent too.
>  
> 
> **
> “For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s you put 
> in the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 2017, at 4:01 am, David Griffith  > wrote:
>  
>  
> OK glad to be contradicted.
> I looked up the Samsung 12 on UK Amazon.
> Is it this one on the UK Store ?
> http://tinyurl.com/y8ml9a9o 
> In my defence it does not scream out a sim card in its  specification though 
> I did notice a description of 4G WiFi on its description.
> The main issue I think is that at over £700 including delivery It is 
> significantly more expensive than the tablets I was looking at – about twice 
> the cost of other PC tablet machines and nearly 3 times as much as the Asus 
> Chrome Books and 6 times as much as some of the Kindle options. Even my sim 
> based 64gb iPad was only £450, admittedly a few years ago now.  so I am 
> probably looking at the wrong end  of the market.  I am not at all sure I 
> want to pay over £700 for  a tablet I am only going to use occasionally 
> whilst out  or on holiday. My main Desktop  machine with 16 GB ram, 512 GB 
> SSD main drive with 4TB secondary drive  which I used every single day only 
> cost me £550 ,  with Windows and Office though it was custom built by an 
> engineer I know.  If I could find a cheaper Tablet option like a Chrome Book 
> at about £250 with a sim slot I would go for it like a shot.
> David Griffith
>  
>  
> From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode..on.net 
> ] 
> Sent: 15 November 2017 15:28
> To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!
> Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
>  
> I’m sorry to contradict you but all the devices we have been talking about - 
> including my Samsung Galaxy Book 12 Windows Tablet - do allow for SIM card 
> data thus they are totally portable so use on a mountain top, park bench or 
> in a cafe, the choice is yours.
> Actually the use of SIM cards in modern day computing goes deeper and runs 
> wider than I possibly thought, my New HP Probook 404 G3 can also take a SIM 
> card.
> Many of the Android tablets out there naturally take a SIM card too though - 
> as I said earlier - at present I don’t believe the current crop of Android 
> tablets are anywhere near up to speed when it comes to Windows or IOS 
> offerings, even the build isn’t as good.
> Will that change? I sincerely hope so but its taking a long time.
>  
> 
> **
> “For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s you put 
> in the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 2017, at 2:00 am, David Griffith  > wrote:
>  
> The biggest and surprising failing for nearly all of the Android / Kindle / 
> windows Tablet options out there  I see is the failure to include a Sim 
> option for genuinely mobile computing. WiFi devices may be feasible for use 
> in cities but quickly grind to a halt  when travelling or when you are in a 
> cottage in the country which does not have WiFi. I find this extremely  odd 
> as it is 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

[Dane Trethowan]

I can't be sure of that as I don't know the conversion rate from pounds 
to Australian dollars but I think it would be near the mark yep.




On 11/17/2017 1:07 AM, david griffith wrote:


Wow – I have just looked on Amazon and the price for that Tablet 
appears to be £1,400 – does that sound right?


David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

*From: *Dane Trethowan 
*Sent: *15 November 2017 21:46
*To: *Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! 


*Subject: *Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

The Samsung tablet in question is the Samsung Galaxy Book 12, its a 
higher spec and more powerful machine than the Tab and I think its 
more recent too.



**

“For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s 
you put in the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”




On 16 Nov 2017, at 4:01 am, David Griffith
> wrote:

OK glad to be contradicted.

I looked up the Samsung 12 on UK Amazon.

Is it this one on the UK Store ?

http://tinyurl.com/y8ml9a9o

In my defence it does not scream out a sim card in its 
specification though I did notice a description of 4G WiFi on its
description.

The main issue I think is that at over £700 including delivery It
is significantly more expensive than the tablets I was looking at
– about twice the cost of other PC tablet machines and nearly 3
times as much as the Asus Chrome Books and 6 times as much as some
of the Kindle options. Even my sim based 64gb iPad was only £450,
admittedly a few years ago now.  so I am probably looking at the
wrong end  of the market.  I am not at all sure I want to pay over
£700 for  a tablet I am only going to use occasionally whilst out
 or on holiday. My main Desktop  machine with 16 GB ram, 512 GB
SSD main drive with 4TB secondary drive  which I used every single
day only cost me £550 ,  with Windows and Office though it was
custom built by an engineer I know.  If I could find a cheaper
Tablet option like a Chrome Book at about £250 with a sim slot I
would go for it like a shot.

David Griffith

*From:*Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode..on.net
]
*Sent:*15 November 2017 15:28
*To:*Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!
*Subject:*Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

I’m sorry to contradict you but all the devices we have been
talking about - including my Samsung Galaxy Book 12 Windows Tablet
- do allow for SIM card data thus they are totally portable so use
on a mountain top, park bench or in a cafe, the choice is yours.

Actually the use of SIM cards in modern day computing goes deeper
and runs wider than I possibly thought, my New HP Probook 404 G3
can also take a SIM card.

Many of the Android tablets out there naturally take a SIM card
too though - as I said earlier - at present I don’t believe the
current crop of Android tablets are anywhere near up to speed when
it comes to Windows or IOS offerings, even the build isn’t as good.

Will that change? I sincerely hope so but its taking a long time.


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On 16 Nov 2017, at 2:00 am, David Griffith
> wrote:

The biggest and surprising failing for nearly all of the Android /
Kindle / windows Tablet options out there  I see is the failure to
include a Sim option for genuinely mobile computing. WiFi devices
may be feasible for use in cities but quickly grind to a halt 
when travelling or when you are in a cottage in the country which
does not have WiFi. I find this extremely  odd as it is precisely
when  I am away from home and in this situation away from WiFi
that I am most likely to need to use these sorts of devices.  If
they are portable devices they should in my mind be most useful if
they can be used wherever  there is a mobile signal rather than
reliant on clumsily piggy backing on somebody else’s WiFi.

I started looking at chrome Books but no mobile sim  options I can
find, similarly for Windows tablets Kindle tablets and most
Android tablets. This is the strangest lack I find in the  mobile
tablet sector at the moment. You could cobble solutions together I
suppose by using Dongles or tethering but elegant this is not.

In these situations only my iPhone and my old iPad   Mini with
data sim cut the mustard and provide some web connectivity for me.
People are often surprised that my old iPad can connect to the web
anywhere but 

RE: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

[david griffith]

Wow – I have just looked on Amazon and the price for that Tablet appears to be 
£1,400 – does that sound right?
David Griffith

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From: Dane Trethowan
Sent: 15 November 2017 21:46
To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!
Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing

The Samsung tablet in question is the Samsung Galaxy Book 12, its a higher spec 
and more powerful machine than the Tab and I think its more recent too..


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“For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s you put in 
the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”




On 16 Nov 2017, at 4:01 am, David Griffith  wrote:

 
OK glad to be contradicted.
I looked up the Samsung 12 on UK Amazon.
Is it this one on the UK Store ?
http://tinyurl.com/y8ml9a9o
In my defence it does not scream out a sim card in its  specification though I 
did notice a description of 4G WiFi on its description.
The main issue I think is that at over £700 including delivery It is 
significantly more expensive than the tablets I was looking at – about twice 
the cost of other PC tablet machines and nearly 3 times as much as the Asus 
Chrome Books and 6 times as much as some of the Kindle options. Even my sim 
based 64gb iPad was only £450, admittedly a few years ago now.  so I am 
probably looking at the wrong end  of the market.  I am not at all sure I want 
to pay over £700 for  a tablet I am only going to use occasionally whilst out  
or on holiday. My main Desktop  machine with 16 GB ram, 512 GB SSD main drive 
with 4TB secondary drive  which I used every single day only cost me £550 ,  
with Windows and Office though it was custom built by an engineer I know..  If 
I could find a cheaper Tablet option like a Chrome Book at about £250 with a 
sim slot I would go for it like a shot.
David Griffith
 
 
From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: 15 November 2017 15:28
To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!
Subject: Re: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
 
I’m sorry to contradict you but all the devices we have been talking about - 
including my Samsung Galaxy Book 12 Windows Tablet - do allow for SIM card data 
thus they are totally portable so use on a mountain top, park bench or in a 
cafe, the choice is yours.
Actually the use of SIM cards in modern day computing goes deeper and runs 
wider than I possibly thought, my New HP Probook 404 G3 can also take a SIM 
card.
Many of the Android tablets out there naturally take a SIM card too though - as 
I said earlier - at present I don’t believe the current crop of Android tablets 
are anywhere near up to speed when it comes to Windows or IOS offerings, even 
the build isn’t as good.
Will that change? I sincerely hope so but its taking a long time.
 

**
“For the gardener nothing is more handier than bulbs, I mean the 1’s you put in 
the ground and not the electric light 1’s.”
 
 



On 16 Nov 2017, at 2:00 am, David Griffith  wrote:
 
The biggest and surprising failing for nearly all of the Android / Kindle / 
windows Tablet options out there  I see is the failure to include a Sim option 
for genuinely mobile computing. WiFi devices may be feasible for use in cities 
but quickly grind to a halt  when travelling or when you are in a cottage in 
the country which does not have WiFi. I find this extremely  odd as it is 
precisely when  I am away from home and in this situation away from WiFi that I 
am most likely to need to use these sorts of devices.  If they are portable 
devices they should in my mind be most useful if they can be used wherever  
there is a mobile signal rather than reliant on clumsily piggy backing on 
somebody else’s WiFi.
I started looking at chrome Books but no mobile sim  options I can find, 
similarly for Windows tablets Kindle tablets and most Android tablets. This is 
the strangest lack I find in the  mobile tablet sector at the moment. You could 
cobble solutions together I suppose by using Dongles or tethering but elegant 
this is not.
In these situations only my iPhone and my old iPad   Mini with data sim cut the 
mustard and provide some web connectivity for me. People are often surprised 
that my old iPad can connect to the web anywhere but this is old not new 
technology. In ancient times  of early Kindle  Keyboard models you could use a 
data sim but bizarrely no more as Amazon has completely withdrawn data sim 
options for Kindle and they are all WiFi only now. As useful as a choclate 
teapot on a motorway or in a country cottage without WiFi.
If anybody can point me to a newer genuinely portable device with this 
functionality I would be interested.
David Griffith 
 
 
From: Dane Trethowan [mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: 14 November 2017 21:15
To: techno-chat@techno-chat.net
Subject: [Techno-Chat]: Tablet Computing
 
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